Panthers Rescind Franchise Tag on Norman. Any interest

[Daillest88]

One thing that makes me crack up is any time a free agent is discussed, inevitably, if the guy isn't 25 or 26 years old you have people saying "can't sign the player, he's not young".

It's a funny comment considering that the whole team is based around a QB who is not "young". This isn't some team stocked with young players that is building up to something in 3-4 years, we are team that pretty much has to win NOW because realistically we have a window of 1-3 years of Romo being able to play at a SB level. So signing an "old" player here or there isn't going to destroy any master plan we have.

That doesn't mean you go Broncos and sign a bunch of aging veterans but immediately discounting signing a particular guy because he's too old is pretty silly IMO when one realizes the entire success in the next 2-4 years is riding on the shoulders of a 36 year old QB with a busted collarbone and a balky back.

We probably can't afford Norman anyway and in no way am I saying that we have to have him, but dismissing him because he's not young (he's freaking 28) is comical to me.

true.. and that's not even old for a corner. as a matter of fact that's pretty much prime years for any type of player..

 

[Jenky]

One thing that makes me crack up is any time a free agent is discussed, inevitably, if the guy isn't 25 or 26 years old you have people saying "can't sign the player, he's not young".

It's a funny comment considering that the whole team is based around a QB who is not "young". This isn't some team stocked with young players that is building up to something in 3-4 years, we are team that pretty much has to win NOW because realistically we have a window of 1-3 years of Romo being able to play at a SB level. So signing an "old" player here or there isn't going to destroy any master plan we have.

That doesn't mean you go Broncos and sign a bunch of aging veterans but immediately discounting signing a particular guy because he's too old is pretty silly IMO when one realizes the entire success in the next 2-4 years is riding on the shoulders of a 36 year old QB with a busted collarbone and a balky back.

We probably can't afford Norman anyway and in no way am I saying that we have to have him, but dismissing him because he's not young (he's freaking 28) is comical to me.

QBs can play at an older age level compared to positions that require a lot more athletic ability, i.e. corners.

I wouldn't feel comfortable in giving a DB who's soon to be 29 years old, a 5-6 year deal with X millions of dollars, and expect him to compete at that level. Same could be said for RB.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'm surprised Carolina didnt try to trade him.

He never signed his tender, so he wasn't under contract. If negotiations with Carolina have gone so far south, they probably didn't think there was any chance they'd get value for him in a sign and trade situation--if that's even allowed.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I'm amazed anyone ANYONE would think this guy is worth the effort based on his age, contract demands, and position.

Can he help this team? Absolutely! But he is not the missing piece.

 

[FaSho]

I'm amazed anyone ANYONE would think this guy is worth the effort based on his age, contract demands, and position.

Can he help this team? Absolutely! But he is not the missing piece.

Agreed. Too bad he won't take a one-year deal!

3 years, 54 mil would probably be what he's looking for, if he goes short-term.

 

[garyv]

Good lord. Why would the player accept that?

Of course it is "possible". Why would Norman, at the peak of his career take that, especially if he would not just take the franchise money this year and go back in the pool next season?

Also releasing Carr could help out the cause big time for adding Norman. Its actually very doable for the Cowboys if they really want too !!!

 

[erod]

Here's the crux of the decision....

Should Dallas pay Norman the money they would have paid Claiborne anyway if he wasn't a bust?

 

[ksadler1]

Three of the worst pass rushes in NFL history were all in 2008 -- the Chiefs had only 10 sacks all season (the fewest ever), and the Bengals and Browns had only 17 sacks apiece (tied for third-fewest ever). In passer rating allowed that season, they finished 25th, 21st and 13th in the league. In adjusted net yards per pass, they finished 26th, 23rd and 15th. Teams with much better pass rushes (30-plus sacks) were worse in coverage. And the Browns actually led the NFL in interception percentage despite having the third-worst sack percentage.

The worst pass defense, by far, that season, belonged to the 0-16 Detroit Lions. They allowed a passer rating of 110.9 and had only four interceptions -- despite getting 30 sacks for the 10th-best sack percentage in the league.

If you want to disagree, that's fine, but the facts show that neither one is overwhelmingly dependent on the other.

Still disagree. Now if you want to tell me that our coaching and defensive scheme just flat out sucks, I can get on board with that. You won't convince me that a great pass rush does not help the secondary. If a QB has all day to throw, the advantage goes to the WR.....

 

[ksadler1]

As far as Norman is concerned, he'll do exactly what all the top tier FA's do to Dallas. He'll use Dallas to get a better deal elsewhere.....

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Turning 29 in December & had his first great season in contract year surrounded by solid talent.. I'll pass.. We all saw OBJ destroy him as well, so that's another reason to pass... Heck, Dez got shut down by Sterling Moore last year, so I don't care how he fared against Dez.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

He isn't a shutdown guy. So no, he isn't worth it, but if you wanted to try it isn't that hard.

Say it is a 5 year/75m contract.
15m SB so 3m per year toward cap.
2016 - 3m sal guaranteed
2017 -8m sal gauranteed
2108 - 16m sal
2019 - 13m sal
2020 -15m sal

Gets 31m guaranteed in first two years. Can rework salary in 2018 and add years to reduce hit...or cut and have 9m dead money but 10m savings against cap. First year hit of 6m. We cut Carr, save 6.83m against cap. Easy peasy.

Jenkins just got 28.8m guaranteed, only 10m up front with huge second year salary.

 

[JohnsKey19]

I wonder what Deion would get in this day and age?

Deion is one of the best to ever put on football cleats. He would get paid accordingly regardless of era.

 

[robjay04]

Turning 29 in December & had his first great season in contract year surrounded by solid talent.. I'll pass.. We all saw OBJ destroy him as well, so that's another reason to pass... Heck, Dez got shut down by Sterling Moore last year, so I don't care how he fared against Dez.

OBJ didn't destroy him. OBJ had like 7 straight games with 100 heading into the Panthers game and was held under 100. Hell, Norman got in his head so bad he got OBJ suspended the next week, that's a win in my book.

I would pay to see that matchup twice a year.

 

[Nightman]

Terrible move by CAR imo

Keep him for the year at least with the tag

If he holds out til Week 10 you save 8m and get him for the playoffs

 

[TRUTH87]

OBJ didn't destroy him. OBJ had like 7 straight games with 100 heading into the Panthers game and was held under 100. Hell, Norman got in his head so bad he got OBJ suspended the next week, that's a win in my book.

I would pay to see that matchup twice a year.

We might see the matchup twice a year if he signs w Washignton.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Nothing like making a play on a ball underthrown at least 5 yards

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I don't think he is interested in a low front type of deal. He wants big money and right now.

Just because the cap number is low the first year doesn't mean he isn't getting paid. He could easily get 20m signing bonus and easily get 30-35m guaranteed in first two years.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Good lord. Why would the player accept that?

Of course it is "possible". Why would Norman, at the peak of his career take that, especially if he would not just take the franchise money this year and go back in the pool next season?

Because that is a lot of money and significantly more than the last decent free agent corner got.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

It is not about up front money. He wants a lot of money and he wants a team to "commit". You see that nonsense all the time, players want to "feel the love".

The negotiations between him and the Panthers have not been ugly, but he is asking for the kind of long term commitment that most teams won't do. He could have had good money simply by signing the franchise tag.

50m over three years probably should suffice as a lot of money

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Are you serious? Please don't tell me you are suggesting this is all part of the plan.

Why wouldn't it be part of the plan? Cutting Carr right now clears up over 6 million right now, gives us room for a Norman deal and gets Carr off the books all this year, opening up a huge amount of space next year.

I think Toruk has it right, you don't understand the cap at all.

BTW, I don't think signing him would be a good move, just that it would be very easy to do.