Parcells = too many band-aid solutions

[Juke99]

I think the fundamental problem since BP came here is that he has tried to "win too many games" right from the beginning. He has said from the beginning that he is too old to lose and thus he has tried to eek out every win possible even if it was to the long-term detriment of what was essentially a moribund no-talent franchise that he inherited.

Instead of tearing down the whole thing when he came here ala Jimmy Johnson, he has tried to plug up holes with stopgap solutions often at unreasonable price and not allowing for appropriate player development.

The fact is that we are now still at least two years away from being a contender - the same two years we were away when he inherited the team.

It doesn't take a long time to build a contender these days with FA and the draft. The fact that he has failed to do so after turning over the whole roster and getting a "team that he likes" tells us that this is the vision he has for the Dallas Cowboys - it is not a vision that I share.

It is time to go in a new direction. This is fundamentally a young man's game and applies to players and coaches. I think we should go after the best proven coordinator there is out there and see what he can do. The man I really wanted, Saban, has probably accomplished as much as BP has in three years in one year. That is the kind of coaching we need to take us into the furture.

Great post...I've probably noted a dozen or so times that when Parcells said, "I'm too old to lose" that I was hoping it was a motivational ploy...it wasn't....he in fact, was stating his operating plan for the team.

In hindsight, we can now understand how Jerry's ego allowed him to bring Parcells in...Jerry wanted so badly to win that he was willing to accept this mish mosh of a plan that Parcells has put together.

There hasn't been any plan with any continuity from the start. Three years later, a record of 24 and 23 about says it all.

I lost faith in Parcells at the outset of the 2004 season.

The plan he and Jerry put together was to win, not rebuild.

Bad plan.

 

[Cbz40]

I don't get it-there have been plenty of playoff teams, and even recent Super Bowl winners, that have had glaring weaknesses, but they still manage to find a way to come out on top.

The Iggles, other than TO, never had a WR. The Pats, in 2 of their Super Bowls, had no RB(and no WR) in their first one. The Bucs' OL in 02 was worse than us. And that Rams team that won the Super Bowl actually had a WEAK defense.

Why can't we do anything despite our glaring weaknesses? Like I said-we came out with no heart, guts, or even any fire in our eyes.

Good points......we did not come close to meeting the Skins intensity today....that falls on the coaches and the lack of leadership on the field.

 

[gbrittain]

Thanks for this thread...beat me to it. The bottom line is you can not circumvent rebuilding. You can delay it, but not circumevent it.

As it stands right now we are a few years away from contending and that means we need an entire new offensive line save maybe Flozell Adams, but he is not getting any younger.

I like Glover but he is most definitely not the future and Ferguson is a joke. Spears and Canty are both unproven. Best case scenario Canty and Spears prove themselves to be more than average and we only need to find another DE and DT.

We have a QB who will not be around when this team is really ready to contend and we do not even have a #1 or #2 receiver who will be around in a couple of years.

It would appear to me we are still in search of a defensive line, need to overhaul the entire offensive line, need a QB and two WRs.

When we should be taking our lumps and putting together a young and talented team, we are wasting time bringing in other teams rejects.

 

[TunaFan33]

Thanks for this thread...beat me to it. The bottom line is you can not circumvent rebuilding. You can delay it, but not circumevent it.

As it stands right now we are a few years away from contending and that means we need an entire new offensive line save maybe Flozell Adams, but he is not getting any younger.

I like Glover but he is most definitely not the future and Ferguson is a joke. Spears and Canty are both unproven. Best case scenario Canty and Spears prove themselves to be more than average and we only need to find another DE and DT.

We have a QB who will not be around when this team is really ready to contend and we do not even have a #1 or #2 receiver who will be around in a couple of years.

It would appear to me we are still in search of a defensive line, need to overhaul the entire offensive line, need a QB and two WRs.

When we should be taking our lumps and putting together a young and talented team, we are wasting time bringing in other teams rejects.

Or maybe bring in a young, fresh coach.

When Ditka was fired in the Big Easy, everyone talked about how many BLUNDERS he made in picking talent.

However-that team Haslett took to the playoffs the year after WAS Ditka's team, believe it or not. So it turned out that Ditka WAS good at picking talent.

Like I said, they ended up getting a better coach for the time-being.

 

[Eskimo]

I dont necessarily disagree with what you all said, except for the above. If this team is 2 years away now (which it may be), it was 10 years away when he got here. You do realize just how totally devoid of talent this franchise was, right?

This was a bad football that he inherited. However, he had all his draft picks and lots of cap space to build his football team. He has had 3 full offseasons and has nearly turned over the entire roster. There were plenty of good players available that he could have brought in to build his team - he has just goofed in his evaluations of both coaches and players. Make no mistake about it, 3 years is plenty to build the team you want when you have as much control as he does. This is his team.

And had he tore it down when he got here, instead of tryin to win as best he could right off while doin it his way, how well would that had gone over at the time?

Everyone here was waiting for it - we knew we had a terrible football team. That is why we "stomached" Parcells in the first place. He had carte-blanche to do what he wanted. He was the one who decided "he was too old to lose" - well then he shouldn't have taken over a rebuilding process. Something that everyone around here knew needed to be done - it was that obvious.

Jimmy had an excuse.. he was just a bumpkin that took over for a legend.. of course he was gonna "suck". No big surprise when he went 1-15, right?

Jimmy accurately assessed what he had when he came here. Something BP didn't do. Something that he has still not done after being here for 3 years. Something he will not do even if we extend his contract.

Hell, we hear that now even when having won more games than we've lost.

We hear about it now because 3 years is plenty of time to have build your team in today's game. This is his team - it is not good enough. It will not be good enough next year either based on the debacle I have witnessed in the second half of the year.

I will thank BP for his effort and pointing this team in the right direction but I don't think he is capable of leading us to where we need to go. It is time to part ways.

 

[Juke99]

Thanks for this thread...beat me to it. The bottom line is you can not circumvent rebuilding. You can delay it, but not circumevent it.

As it stands right now we are a few years away from contending and that means we need an entire new offensive line save maybe Flozell Adams, but he is not getting any younger.

I like Glover but he is most definitely not the future and Ferguson is a joke. Spears and Canty are both unproven. Best case scenario Canty and Spears prove themselves to be more than average and we only need to find another DE and DT.

We have a QB who will not be around when this team is really ready to contend and we do not even have a #1 or #2 receiver who will be around in a couple of years.

It would appear to me we are still in search of a defensive line, need to overhaul the entire offensive line, need a QB and two WRs.

When we should be taking our lumps and putting together a young and talented team, we are wasting time bringing in other teams rejects.

Parcells was hired to win...not rebuild.

Bad cases make bad law.

Jimmy rebuilt the franchise...yes, blah blah blah, no salary cap...blah blah, tons of drafts picks....BUT the fact is, Jimmy AND Jerry rebuilt the team.

Parcells hasn't done that. Parcells has tried to win TODAY at the expense of the future.

As an aside, this 3-4 defense is a joke. It doesn't even play to the talent on the team. It forces a guy, Ware, who played DE all his life in college to a foreign position. It puts Ellis on the bench but Shanle on the field.

And why?

Because it's all Parcells knows and rather than coach to the talent he has, he forces the talent into what he knows how to coach.

I am SO sick of Bill Parcells.

Oh and one other thing....seeking out McBriar to stare him down, when the team HE is coaching was losing 35-0, was about as bush league as you can get...almost as bush league as punch/pushing one of his assistants a few weeks back.

The Parcells Show has gotten really tiresome.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Our QB that will lead us to the promised land certainly isn't the guy under center right now unless you manage to build a team superb in every other facet of the game and we are far away from that right now.

I agree, we need to see improved play at center. That person isn't on our roster now.

In terms of the OL, I count only one quality starter and he is on the IR right now leaving us with none on the field. The sad part is this part of the team has been invested in heavily right now - we have probably spent more first day draft picks and more money on OL (not counting any team with an $8M all-pro LT) than any team in the league right now and still have no returns. Not only do we not have any returns, there is little reason to expect any returns in the future.

I think we need more patience on Rivera and Pettiti. Tucker is really a back up for now unless he wants to compete for another spot on the line, but he's shown it's difficult for him in Flozell's spot. The one I would replace would be Larry Allen. We need a good pulling guard to help make our running game more effective. He's really running on reputation now. Those are the two linemen I would seriously look at.

About the LBs, it is shocking that you would decide to build a 3-4 defense without any 3-4 LBs. I'm not going to say anymore about that right now as this was talked about adanauseum in the offseason.

The fact that we have plugged in Shanle and Fujita in this scheme shows me that "opportunity and availability" did not appear when BP was trying to address the linebacker question. I point those two guys out because they had problems either containing the edge or stringing out plays. They also had alot of problems taking on the big lineman today. Bill wasn't kidding when he said you had to be a man to play this scheme. I think Burnett can turn out, but we need one more.

Safety - well that is the least of our concerns. Any decent DC should be able to find some greybeard off the street who could fill in at safety without compromising the whole defense.

I want another coverage safety. Prefereably one who can QB the defence. We haven't had one since the defender of the star. Teague knew what he was doing, his problem was he was too old.

The last one I would like to see is more serious competition at kicker. We are not going to ditch Drew Bledsoe just yet, although I don't think we can go far with his weaknesses. I think we need top think about the future being now in the upcoming draft.

 

[Eddie]

I've never seen Juke so angry before. In most cases, he's defended BP.

Things MUST be bad to get this kind of reaction from him.

I concur. I'm tired of it all too.

 

[Trip]

Parcells was hired to win...not rebuild.

Bad cases make bad law.

Jimmy rebuilt the franchise...yes, blah blah blah, no salary cap...blah blah, tons of drafts picks....BUT the fact is, Jimmy AND Jerry rebuilt the team.

Parcells hasn't done that. Parcells has tried to win TODAY at the expense of the future.

As an aside, this 3-4 defense is a joke. It doesn't even play to the talent on the team. It forces a guy, Ware, who played DE all his life in college to a foreign position. It puts Ellis on the bench but Shanle on the field.

And why?

Because it's all Parcells knows and rather than coach to the talent he has, he forces the talent into what he knows how to coach.

I am SO sick of Bill Parcells.

Oh and one other thing....seeking out McBriar to stare him down, when the team HE is coaching was losing 35-0, was about as bush league as you can get...almost as bush league as punch/pushing one of his assistants a few weeks back.

The Parcells Show has gotten really tiresome.

I'm with you friend. It's been building with me for awhile.

Egomaniac, and I'm tired of it.

We need a coach that knows something about the game, other than forcing his players to show up via intimidation.

 

[gbrittain]

I am trying to think objectively about BP, but I have to admit it is really hard after a loss like this, but I keep asking my self what positive things has BP instilled in this team.

Is there one area of the team where I go, BP has made a big difference by being here.

The running game sucks, the passing game sucks, the OL play sucks, the DL play is average to horrible, the LB corp is average on its best day, the DBs with Newman, Williams, Henry and Glenn should be all world, instead they are below average to above average.

I dont know, not very impressive to me. Three years later and I am still wondering what BP brings to the table. It is certainly not Xs and Os and making adjustments.

Maybe it is just me, like I said it is hard to be totally objective after a loss like this. So someone fill me in what is it that you like that BP brings to the table for the Cowboys?

What has he done that you are impressed with?

 

[Zman5]

The Giants and the Bengals bit the bullet and went with the future last year while we played Vinnie "Grand Pa" T.

That says it all.

The Giants sucked as bad as us past few years yet they now have a good foundation for the future while we have bunch of players who will retire in 3 years or less.

 

[Eddie]

The Giants and the Bengals bit the bullet and went with the future last year while we played Vinnie "Grand Pa" T.

That says it all.

But BP doesn't trust Hensen.

 

[Ashwynn]

The Giants and the Bengals bit the bullet and went with the future last year while we played Vinnie "Grand Pa" T.

That says it all.

We dont have our future guy. Romo. No. Henson. No way. Before you can give him the keys to the car, you gotta know who he is first.

 

[gbrittain]

The Giants and the Bengals bit the bullet and went with the future last year while we played Vinnie "Grand Pa" T.

That says it all.

Bingo to you! If I had a cookie I would give you one. Other than that being perhaps his biggest mistake, it also gives a great insight into his manner of thinking.

We are seeing the fruits of that kind of thinking today and the fruits are rotten.

 

[Cbz40]

We dont have our future guy. Romo. No. Henson. No way. Before you can give him the keys to the car, you gotta know who he is first.

and may I ask how do you know that if you don't play them?? Today was a perfect example.......Why not put Romo in for a few snaps?

 

[Eddie]

We dont have our future guy. Romo. No. Henson. No way. Before you can give him the keys to the car, you gotta know who he is first.

Ash, we'll NEVER have a future guy if we continue to play 42 and 33 year old QB's which no other teams want.

How many teams have won Super Bowls with rehashed journeymen at QB???

 

[MapleLeaf]

I am trying to think objectively about BP, but I have to admit it is really hard after a loss like this, but I keep asking my self what positive things has BP instilled in this team.

Is there one area of the team where I go, BP has made a big difference by being here.

The running game sucks, the passing game sucks, the OL play sucks, the DL play is average to horrible, the LB corp is average on its best day, the DBs with Newman, Williams, Henry and Glenn should be all world, instead they are below average to above average.

I dont know, not very impressive to me. Three years later and I am still wondering what BP brings to the table. It is certainly not Xs and Os and making adjustments.

Maybe it is just me, like I said it is hard to be totally objective after a loss like this. So someone fill me in what is it that you like that BP brings to the table for the Cowboys?

What has he done that you are impressed with?

...the fact that 13 out of 14 games have been entertaining and I have always felt we had a chance to win those games. Campo the poodle didn't deliver that for me.

 

[Ashwynn]

Let's see what we have to work with as far as building for the future.

- NO OL worth mentioning.
- Jason Witten at TE.
- JJ and MB3 make a nice pair, but neither have shown much ... attribute to the poor OL play.
- NO long term solution at QB.
- NO young WR's to build upon. Sorry, Crayton is NOT the answer for our future.
- Canty, Spears, and Ware are good building blocks for the front.
- NO DT worth mentioning. Ferguson is a waste and Glover is old.
- NO real LB's ... Ware is a pass rusher, not a real LB.
- solid in the 2ndary, but still need a real FS.

So there you go. We have about 75% of the team which needs to be overhauled.

Its not all that bad. really. Go to sleep and take another look at it in the morning. We are gunna be ok in the long run. Patience is just not your virtue it seems.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Put me on the anti-Parcells' bandwagon as well. We've been progressively getting worse these past weeks. Blame injuries, blame whatever, but I'm putting the blame now at the person on top. I may jump off later, but as of right now, nothing can tell me to.

Parcell's has said that playoff games are won in December. So far we're 1-2 and we've lost two games that could have put us on top, and one extremely important game quite handily, to our most hated division rival. We didn't even look like we came out to play. There are no more excuses for you from me now.

"You are what you are."

 

[Trip]

We dont have our future guy. Romo. No. Henson. No way. Before you can give him the keys to the car, you gotta know who he is first.

He could have let him drive around the parking lot for awhile.... last Thanksgiving.