Parcells = too many band-aid solutions

[Zman5]

and may I ask how do you know that if you don't play them?? Today was a perfect example.......Why not put Romo in for a few snaps?

Because Romo doesn't know how to pick up the blitz.. wait.. wrong guy. Sorry.

 

[DipChit]

Parcells was hired to win...not rebuild.

How in the world was he supposed to do that with what he was given talent wise? How can you win if you dont have the players?

So Jerry says, I'm hiring you to win, not rebuild.. and here, I got these 2 QB's in QC and Hutch that I want you to go with this year. How contradictory is that? So ding ding ding.. year 1 is a total waste right off the bat.

Should he have just said... screw you Jerry, if I come on board I'm takin Leftwich and we're startin him from day one so that maybe even though we'll suck for a few years, we'll have a shot down the road?

Afterall, apparently *thats* the true definition of rebuilding... starting a rook QB.. otherwise it seems no matter how much you turn the roster over, you apparently arent rebulding. It's either because of that or because you might go over .500 two out of your first 3 years. And you musnt be truly rebuilding, if that happens.

 

[Zman5]

Ash, we'll NEVER have a future guy if we continue to play 42 and 33 year old QB's which no other teams want.

How many teams have won Super Bowls with rehashed journeymen at QB???

One that I can think of is the Ravens. But I get your point.

 

[Ashwynn]

Ash, we'll NEVER have a future guy if we continue to play 42 and 33 year old QB's which no other teams want.

How many teams have won Super Bowls with rehashed journeymen at QB???

I know this. I am not saying lets sign Bledsoe to a 10 year contract. I am sayng less your willing to give up a lot, your not getting Leinart or Quinn, your not getting Brady, manning or Palmer without sucking really bad or giving up a lot.

Till you have him, play the best guy you can find.

Several have won with a journeyman QB.

Your preaching to the choir, but if your thinking Romo or Henson are the future your deluding yourself. We DONT HAVE that guy yet. Period. Hes not wearing a star today. Given time, Bledsoes pretty good, you could do a lot worse then Bledsoe. Like I say, with no Mannings on the markets, your gunna have to get by with the best journeyman you can find. or throw the season and draft Quinn.

 

[gbrittain]

...the fact that 13 out of 14 games have been entertaining and I have always felt we had a chance to win those games. Campo the poodle didn't deliver that for me.

I guess if the goal is to out do the poodle then we might have a winner, but that is not even a slam dunk as someone else mentioned...Campo did not get to buy his groceries. Having said that I am not suggesting Campo is better than Parcells, but like I did say that is not really the goal is it?

 

[Eskimo]

We dont have our future guy. Romo. No. Henson. No way. Before you can give him the keys to the car, you gotta know who he is first.

BP has had 3 offseasons and 3 drafts to try and bring in his QB of the future - he gave us QC (essentially JJ's retread), VT (retread Jets 1998) and Bledsoe (Pats retread 1996).

He could have picked Leftwich if he wanted. He could have traded up for his QB of the future like the Giants did in 2004 (not that I agree with there strategy there) - allegedly Cinci wasn't asking for much in 2003 to move up to the #1 spot as they weren't sold on Palmer. He could have brought in Delhomme. He could have done lots of things.

The fact is he hasn't done anything. I know Romo isn't the guy. I thought Henson could be the guy but it looks like BP has gone out of his way to sabotage that so I don't know if he is even salvageable at this point if we brought in a new HC. I have no idea why he agreed to bring in Henson in the first place.

It is just so frustrating to see he has not done what most coaches instinctively know to do the minute they get a team - find a QB.

 

[Eddie]

Its not all that bad. really. Go to sleep and take another look at it in the morning. We are gunna be ok in the long run. Patience is just not your virtue it seems.

Ash, I waited 15 years for my first Super Bowl.

It's been almost another 10 since my last.

I'm gonna be a gray old f*rt before I see my next Super Bowl. I've been patient.

You're right, in the end, it's just football. But going to bed after the Skins scalped us 35-7 doesn't help.

We may not have our future QB aboard, but at least let's take a look at who we do have. We could have lose 35-7 and given Romo a few snaps.

We could have gone 6-10 and allowed Hensen a few games.

That's why I'm not too happy with BP's approach. We'll never know at this rate ...

Aiight. I'm off to bed. Melatonin is setting in and I can't think straight.

 

[gbrittain]

How in the world was he supposed to do that with what he was given talent wise? How can you win if you dont have the players?

So Jerry says, I'm hiring you to win, not rebuild.. and here, I got these 2 QB's in QC and Hutch that I want you to go with this year. How contradictory is that? So ding ding ding.. year 1 is a total waste right off the bat.

Should he have just said... screw you Jerry, if I come on board I'm takin Leftwich and we're startin him from day one so that maybe even though we'll suck for a few years, we'll have a shot down the road?

Afterall, apparently *thats* the true definition of rebuilding... starting a rook QB.. otherwise it seems no matter how much you turn the roster over, you apparently arent rebulding. It's either because of that or because you might go over .500 two out of your first 3 years. And you musnt be truly rebuilding, if that happens.

I have always heard speculation but can anyone prove that Hutch and Carter were pushed on Parcells? Maybe you can, but I have never seen anything to support that other than speculation.

 

[Zman5]

I miss not having a "triplett".

Where is our next Stabauch, Pearson, and Dorsett? Or Aikman, Irvin and Smith.

Hell I'll even settle for White, Renfro and Walker.

 

[Trip]

BP has had 3 offseasons and 3 drafts to try and bring in his QB of the future - he gave us QC (essentially JJ's retread), VT (retread Jets 1998) and Bledsoe (Pats retread 1996).

He could have picked Leftwich if he wanted. He could have traded up for his QB of the future like the Giants did in 2004 (not that I agree with there strategy there) - allegedly Cinci wasn't asking for much in 2003 to move up to the #1 spot as they weren't sold on Palmer. He could have brought in Delhomme. He could have done lots of things.

The fact is he hasn't done anything. I know Romo isn't the guy. I thought Henson could be the guy but it looks like BP has gone out of his way to sabotage that so I don't know if he is even salvageable at this point if we brought in a new HC. I have no idea why he agreed to bring in Henson in the first place.

It is just so frustrating to see he has not done what most coaches instinctively know to do the minute they get a team - find a QB.

I think what put me over the edge with Parcells... is that crack a few weeks ago intimating that he was forced to play it out with QC and Hutch that first season. That's a flat out lie, because I remember listening to interviews after he first accepted the position saying his number one priority was to evaluate the QB's and decide if he needed one or not.

He waited, and he didn't draft Leftwich, because it was his choice.

Mr. no excuse "you are what you are", quick to point the finger....

 

[Ashwynn]

Ash, I waited 15 years for my first Super Bowl.

It's been almost another 10 since my last.

I'm gonna be a gray old f*rt before I see my next Super Bowl. I've been patient.

You're right, in the end, it's just football. But going to bed after the Skins scalped us 35-7 doesn't help.

We may not have our future QB aboard, but at least let's take a look at who we do have. We could have lose 35-7 and given Romo a few snaps.

We could have gone 6-10 and allowed Hensen a few games.

That's why I'm not too happy with BP's approach. We'll never know at this rate ...

Aiight. I'm off to bed. Melatonin is setting in and I can't think straight.

Thats totally true. Parcells is the most stubborn person I can think of. He wont play Henson ever, Romo, only in injury. You have to know your coach. Hes not here to see amateurs on sunday. Till your ready, he aint playing you even if it hurts him (ala Vinny last year). I would like to see Romo, I think he'll be good.

 

[Juke99]

How in the world was he supposed to do that with what he was given talent wise? How can you win if you dont have the players?

So Jerry says, I'm hiring you to win, not rebuild.. and here, I got these 2 QB's in QC and Hutch that I want you to go with this year. How contradictory is that? So ding ding ding.. year 1 is a total waste right off the bat.

Should he have just said... screw you Jerry, if I come on board I'm takin Leftwich and we're startin him from day one so that maybe even though we'll suck for a few years, we'll have a shot down the road?

Afterall, apparently *thats* the true definition of rebuilding... starting a rook QB.. otherwise it seems no matter how much you turn the roster over, you apparently arent rebulding. It's either because of that or because you might go over .500 two out of your first 3 years. And you musnt be truly rebuilding, if that happens.

Yeah...that's exactly what he should have said. You Parcells guys are always going on and on about how we dont want to go back to the era of puppets as coaches, right?

Rebuilding is starting a rookie QB? That's YOUR definition of it, not mine.

"I'm too old to lose" said it all. That was the operating plan.

Who's fault was last year's brilliant roster?

From your hero, "No matter what you've done in the past, at some point you have to prove you can still get the job done."

24 Wins
23 Losses

Horrible O Line.
D Line still can't generate any pressure.
The LB's aren't very good
The WR's are ancient.
The QB is too old to build around.
The assistant coaches have yet to distinguish themselves.

The punter is good...well except for that one punt today...but Mr Tough Guy made sure he bush leagued him by seeking him out to stare him down on the bench...while we were losing 35-0.

 

[FLcowboy]

I think the fundamental problem since BP came here is that he has tried to "win too many games" right from the beginning. He has said from the beginning that he is too old to lose and thus he has tried to eek out every win possible even if it was to the long-term detriment of what was essentially a moribund no-talent franchise that he inherited.

Instead of tearing down the whole thing when he came here ala Jimmy Johnson, he has tried to plug up holes with stopgap solutions often at unreasonable price and not allowing for appropriate player development.

The fact is that we are now still at least two years away from being a contender - the same two years we were away when he inherited the team.

It doesn't take a long time to build a contender these days with FA and the draft. The fact that he has failed to do so after turning over the whole roster and getting a "team that he likes" tells us that this is the vision he has for the Dallas Cowboys - it is not a vision that I share.

It is time to go in a new direction. This is fundamentally a young man's game and applies to players and coaches. I think we should go after the best proven coordinator there is out there and see what he can do. The man I really wanted, Saban, has probably accomplished as much as BP has in three years in one year. That is the kind of coaching we need to take us into the furture.

Interesting point of view. I haven't considered that angle, and I think you may have hit on something big. Parcells is trying to preserve his legacy, and especially did so last year by refusing to play either reserve quarterback in a lost season. But, I suspect he needs the money Jerry is paying, and he'll be around next year to collect his checks.

 

[Eskimo]

How in the world was he supposed to do that with what he was given talent wise? How can you win if you dont have the players?

I think that's the basic point - you recognize you don't have the players to win many games right now no matter what you do. So your horizon is much longer than one year - this is the idea behind rebuilding.

So Jerry says, I'm hiring you to win, not rebuild.. and here, I got these 2 QB's in QC and Hutch that I want you to go with this year. How contradictory is that? So ding ding ding.. year 1 is a total waste right off the bat.

Jerry is a businessman - Parcells shouldn't be taking football advice from him. This is what you need out of your coach and GM (which is what BP is here) - to tell the owner about the way things are on the football field and let the owner and marketing staff worry about selling tickets and merchandise.

Should he have just said... screw you Jerry, if I come on board I'm takin Leftwich and we're startin him from day one so that maybe even though we'll suck for a few years, we'll have a shot down the road?

If that is what he believe in then that is absolutely what he should have said. The point is that is not what he believes in. He keeps trying to build a SB winner without developing a proper core. No matter how you define the core of a team, almost everyone would include the QB.

Afterall, apparently *thats* the true definition of rebuilding... starting a rook QB.. otherwise it seems no matter how much you turn the roster over, you apparently arent rebulding. It's either because of that or because you might go over .500 two out of your first 3 years. And you musnt be truly rebuilding, if that happens.

The point is that he has had 3 years to build the core of this football team - I don't really know what it is? He has a few good players here and there but nothing I would call a true core to build a contender out of. That is why we won't be a contender again next year. If BP sticks around, you can count two more years we won't be a contender. You know why? Because he doesn't recognize the problem - he keeps trying to put a bandaid on the most obvious problems he sees so he can try to eek out another win.

He will never build a SB contender here. Maybe it is good enough to build .500 teams in Detroit and Arizona but it isn't good enough in Dallas.

 

[cjr126]

excellent post. i couldn't have put it any better. to me what makes the whole thing even more rediculous is that they brought parcells in here knowing damn well that he had no intention of sticking around. all he's done is try and win as quick as possible to try and resurrect his image. it's extremely clear to me that bills previous success was directly attributed to his coaching staff. it's no suprise to me that bill hasn't done anything since he lost belichick, crennel & charlie weiss.

 

[kdog]

Please for F***k sakes, stop trying to feed us this parcells can do no wrong ****. He is prehistoric and clearry should take the blame for (A) hiring incompetent coaches i.e; zimmer who is completely useless. If you go to the 3-4 hire a coach who knows the system. Payton is afraid to call plays not that he is any good at it, however fassel fired this guy but hey! i'm bill parcells what i say goes. His staff is horrible and he hired them!

(B) there is no way you can convince me that parcells does'nt okay the game plans, he's a control freak and what he says goes. who do we blame the players!

(C) Trying to use the prehistoric gameplan of the 80's giants, by the way who decided that we did'nt need a free safety, OH! that was bill too!

(D) stop trying to sell us on that parcells can do no wrong B*llsh*t OH! i used that one see A,B and C!

 

[DipChit]

Yeah...that's exactly what he should have said. You Parcells guys are always going on and on about how we dont want to go back to the era of puppets as coaches, right?

Rebuilding is starting a rookie QB? That's YOUR definition of it, not mine.

"I'm too old to lose" said it all. That was the operating plan.

Who's fault was last year's brilliant roster?

From your hero, "No matter what you've done in the past, at some point you have to prove you can still get the job done."

Hey chill, dude. He aint my guy. I was excited about gettin him intially because he's turned more franchises around than most other guys have. Including everybodies fav, Jimmy. But at this point he could walk tomorrow for all I care. Maybe it's just not meant to be here. Oh well. I'm just making some observations.

All I know is our offense is too old at certain positions, and too young at others. Not to mention that none of them have played a particularly long time together. Thats a recipe for mediocrity if I ever saw one. I've said many times that the Bledsoe, Key, Glenn, trifecta isnt gonna scare anybody. If thats entirely Bills fault because theres so many other guys he could've got instead that would've been far better, so be it.

But on the other hand, theres no guarantees in this league.. except maybe that the O in Indy is going to be perennially good.

Look at a team like Atlanta for example.. a QB so many gush over, a Crumpler.. a Dunn, a Duckett.. a fresh new HC full of piss and vinegar, yada yada yada... and if they go up to Soldier Field and lose tongiht their record isnt any better than ours.

 

[Juke99]

Hey chill, dude. He aint my guy. I was excited about gettin him intially because he's turned more franchises around than most other guys have. Including everybodies fav, Jimmy. But at this point he could walk tomorrow for all I care. Maybe it's just not meant to be here. Oh well. I'm just making some observations.

All I know is our offense is too old at certain positions, and too young at others. Not to mention that none of them have played a particularly long time together. Thats a recipe for mediocrity if I ever saw one. I've said many times that the Bledsoe, Key, Glenn, trifecta isnt gonna scare anybody. If thats entirely Bills fault because theres so many other guys he could've got instead that would've been far better, so be it.

But on the other hand, theres no guarantees in this league.. except maybe that the O in Indy is going to be perennially good.

Look at a team like Atlanta for example.. a QB so many gush over, a Crumpler.. a Dunn, a Duckett.. a fresh new HC full of piss and vinegar, yada yada yada... and if they go up to Soldier Field and lose tongiht their record isnt any better than ours.

Sorry...I'm pretty fired up right now.

This isn't the same coach I saw for two stints in NY.

I just don't see the plan...I see no consistency...no continuity...each year has been entirely different.

That's not an effective way to rebuild.

I think Parcells intimidates young players with negativity. And by doing so, he sucks the life right out of them.

I'd have thought Ware would improve as the season progressed. He's gotten worse.

Roy isn't the playmaker he once was.

Hell, even a QB who was as touted as Henson looked WORSE in year two under Parcells than he did in year one.

Julius looks worse.

I dunno...but I haven't had a good feeling about this team since the beginning of last year.

And again, sorry for being so fired up...usually only Winicki can set me off like this.

 

[chinch]

one of the worst posts of the day... and that is saying something! as if we could regroup from Jerruh's neglect in two years.

Sad, very sad.

 

[Eskimo]

one of the worst posts of the day... and that is saying something! as if we could regroup from Jerruh's neglect in two years.

Sad, very sad.

Not two years - three years.

3 years is a lifetime in today's NFL. It is enough time for most teams to essentially turnover a roster. It is more than enough time to at least try and find a QB of the future.

Parcells has made some good choices but he also made some very bad ones. I have no idea what he his vision for this team is - all I see is one bandaid after another desperately hoping to climb up to mediocrity every year.