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[RCowboyFan]

right, whatever, then don't respond that way if you don't like it

Well, then you ought to not post to me then. Dude, you seriously need to step away from that key board, and stop smoking whatever you smoking now.

 

[jterrell]

see what I am saying it is ALWAYS something isn't it...something always happened and its just was not Bledsoe's fault

but anyway how about int%... and who Cares if he throws for 80000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 yards...yards mean nothing... when it comes to Bledsoe... he will always have yards but they do not translate into anything...do they!?

In fact it maybe part of his problem...

also in Bledsoe's 13 years (not counting this year because it is not over and not counting the year Brady took over with NE) 8 of 11 years he either finished last or next to last in his division 8 out of 11 think about that

I would see what you were saying if you were actually making points instead of playing with fonts and making smiley faces blink.

Your point is what exactly? We have been through all of these arguments before and its not about FAULT. Bledsoe is clearly limited. No one has ever denied or argued that. He is limited to being a pocket passer with a stubborn need for plays to work. He is a lot like Troy Aikman in that regard. He expects plays to be executed properly. He doesn't freelance.

Is he a major problem on this team? NO. He is no where the top of the problem child list.


Last or second to last? ROFL. You mean 3rd or 4th? OK. Like last year where they ended up 1 game from the playoffs?

I hear all this chirping and crying but no real solution. We do not have Tom Brady to insert at QB.

Blaming Bledsoe here is alot like blaming Witten for his drop in production. Both were borderline Pro Bowl type players who had their performance and stats altered by the OL situation.

The answer is painfully simple. We need better OL performance just as we knew we would when we signed Bledsoe. Is that his fault??

It really does amus eme that we have gotten a borderline Pro Bowl performance at QB for a low price contract and we hear nothing but whining.

 

[jterrell]

Nice comparison between, a 100 Mil dollar player vs barely Mil Dollar player. That doesn't even compute.

Second, I can barely make sense of your argument? I mean who cares if he is the best player for now on this team? Did someone here say, they are certain that Romo or maybe Henson will be better option right now? Heck when Ben started for Pitt last year, were they thrilled to have him instead of a sucky QB they had starting at that time? Its like saying, I have to be happy with what I have since thats the best option among the worst options.

Then you should do the same with OL. You can't have it both ways. Bledsoe then has to work with what he has around him, and adjust his game. He doesn't do that currently and never has in his life and its not going to happen in future.

Its like hoping to win a Lottery without buying a ticket. When you say congrats about Tom Brady, its the same thing. They would have never known without Bledsoe getting hurt, nor would have they gotten lucky if Brady was never picked by them. That argument is silly, IMO.

You are the one who doesn't get it.

Drew Bledsoe isn't a 100 million dollar player. He's a cheap free agent we signed on the open market who was considered this team's MVP by most folks at the halfway point.

Bledsoe CAN NOT alter his game to account for a bad OL.
WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE SIGNED HIM!!!
Thats why he isn't TOM BRADY.

As for happiness you can cry til your tear ducts dry up but it isn't gonna change anything and the arguments you make are meaningless. IF there is a point then it would resolve around getting better play at the position and the awnser there is still quite simple: Block better for Bledsoe.

 

[jterrell]

Yet Tom Brady won 2 Superbowls with Kevin Faulk and Antowain Smith as the RB oh yea that is such a stellar rb core. Hum that is the same RB core that Bledsoe had before Tom took over too humm so lets see the Travis Henry remark just plain incorrect

WT heck are you talking about???

Travis Henry started around half the season then McGahee took over.
McGahee started all year this year.

The comparision which was quoted for chrissakes was between Kelly Holcomb in his 8 starts this year and Bledsoe last year. The differences betweent he Bills teams and the fact Bledsoe was far better with McGahee in are what I noted.

It had nothing to do with Tom Brady who everyone agrees is better than Drew Bledsoe and just about every other QB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It cracks me up to hear our fans talking about..."well if the offensive line would block for Bledsoe" or "Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning could not do well behind this O-line"

Listen folks that is crap...crap, crap, crap

you had about 50 of us telling you that the o-line was gonna suck now...well before the season began....hmmmmmmmmmm

How could we all possibly have known that you ask ? Are we physic?

No silly... it is always the same with Bledsoe...ALWAYS

you can take the team with the best o-line in the game right now stick Bledsoe behind it and they become very average or even poor over night...now you take what Dallas has an average O-line at best and stick Bledsoe behind it and you have no chance none...

Bledsoe can throw the ball...no one that I know of has ever doubted that.. the man simply has a million dollar arm but the rest isn't worth 10 cents...

think about it... and also remember old Dave Campo was pulling people off the street one year and the o-line didn't look this bad...


so please give those o-lineman some love they really are doing there best but Bledsoe makes what would be a hard job under normal circumstances as near impossible as it can get

how is it Bledsoe's fault, when the Olineman are getting man-handled? how is it Bledsoe's fault, when in addition to his Olineman getting man-handled at the snap, the WRs are taking forever to get into their routes?

 

[jterrell]

how is it Bledsoe's fault, when the Olineman are getting man-handled? how is it Bledsoe's fault, when in addition to his Olineman getting man-handled at the snap, the WRs are taking forever to get into their routes?

Its all his fault because he should be able to complete passes in .05 seconds to covered WRs.

If he isn't playing like Tom Brady he clearly sucks.

I keep hearing that he is having the same problems as other places YET it is ignored that he was the top rated QB in the NFC until just about when Flozell Adams his LT got injured.
:bang2:

Going into next year do you try recreate the 7-3 start or assume the OL will suck and go get a guy who can run around and keep you in games with no blocking???

 

[CF74]

Even though he has no speed he needs to roll out of the pocket and pass.

 

[RCowboyFan]

You are the one who doesn't get it.

Drew Bledsoe isn't a 100 million dollar player. He's a cheap free agent we signed on the open market who was considered this team's MVP by most folks at the halfway point.

Bledsoe CAN NOT alter his game to account for a bad OL.
WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE SIGNED HIM!!!
Thats why he isn't TOM BRADY.

As for happiness you can cry til your tear ducts dry up but it isn't gonna change anything and the arguments you make are meaningless. IF there is a point then it would resolve around getting better play at the position and the awnser there is still quite simple: Block better for Bledsoe.

Dude, don't you see the same argument can be made for OL? How do you propose the OL be superior now? YOu got a plan to get Orlando Pace etc. to substitute for Pettiti and Tucker? If not then don't cry about how poor the protection is for Bledsoe.

Tucker and Pettiti are not High draft picks or even a Million Dollar guys.

Talk about not getting it

Oh one more point, never liked his signing and never will, so don't talk to me about knowing who he is before signing him. Everyone knew that was bad signing due to Cowboys not having a good line etc. Yet you have the likes of you sitting here and crying about Bledsoe not getting protection. I guess maybe likes of you thought magically Cowboys OL will get all Pro throughout the line.

 

[superpunk]

I keep hearing that he is having the same problems as other places YET it is ignored that he was the top rated QB in the NFC until just about when Flozell Adams his LT got injured.
:bang2:

And he actually remained the top rated passer for several weeks after that, although the numbers were clearly declining. Everyone wants to blame Drew. All of those "everyone's" are just wrong.

 

[Zaxor]

how is it Bledsoe's fault, when the Olineman are getting man-handled? how is it Bledsoe's fault, when in addition to his Olineman getting man-handled at the snap, the WRs are taking forever to get into their routes?

Do you good folk not pay any attention....

look defenses know they can just pin their ears back and go now...

why?

now how can you can answer that question... without using the o-line as an excuse?

now after you answer that correctly than we can talk about the o-line...

sheesh

 

[Zaxor]

Its all his fault because he should be able to complete passes in .05 seconds to covered WRs.

If he isn't playing like Tom Brady he clearly sucks.

I keep hearing that he is having the same problems as other places YET it is ignored that he was the top rated QB in the NFC until just about when Flozell Adams his LT got injured.
:bang2:

Going into next year do you try recreate the 7-3 start or assume the OL will suck and go get a guy who can run around and keep you in games with no blocking???

nope it is not all his fault... I have already told you that...

but he is at fault...

 

[Zaxor]

Most QB's are the same way. That's why Parcells has been adamant about building together a good team instead of relying on some unbelievable QB to make up for other deficiencies.

Y'know, it could just be that both Buffalo and Dallas just happened to have bad O-Lines when he played for them.

And the fact still remains, the O-Line was bad before he ever stepped foot in Big D. And despite that, he's still put up much better numbers than the past few QB's we've had here and still has compiled an 8-6 record despite being his first year with the team.

Rich.......

no they are not...look at the numbers for Bledsoe's career

he has played 186 games

and in those games he has been sacked 441 for 2971 avg. per game 2.4

Good God man not many like that though Testy comes close

how about career % 57.3

INT's 195 avg. per game 1.05

Fumbles 118 avg per game .61

So this dud throws one int per game...fumbles every other game and gets sack almost 2 1/2 times per game!

Pee stinking U :blech:

now I have also told you he has finished last or next to last 8 out of 11 years(not including this year or the year Brady took over) in his division
so he is not over time proven to be a winner...

His Oline's always sucks till he leaves

like I have been telling ya with him it is ALWAYS something or someone elses fault

 

[Zaxor]

It's actually kinda weird that we've went almost 2 years now having older immobile QB's with a pretty crappy line and neither one has really missed any playing time (save the half last Turkey day, but that hardly counts).

Had either of those guys missed 3 or 4 full games and Bill would've had to start Henson/Romo whether he wanted to or not.. who knows?

Obviously aint saying we got another Brady here, just noting circumstances.

Yeah sometimes fate is not kind

 

[kartr]

How do I start this. Perhaps to say that when there is a Drew fan they never get over it. In New England, in Buffalo, next Dallas. You cannot tell these people anything. Drew is God.

Now for those of us that can think, we say, well, yeh, one week out of 5 he is great, but then he falls apart. We will never win long term, consistently, over the long haul.

Here is the clear and simple answer. Bledose is a great QB in terms of throwing the ball, hitting his first receiver (the one the coach tells him to throw to).

Now, if there is pressure, or gee he has to find a secondary receiver and see the whole field -- trouble. Happy feet time. Can not handle pressure. Cannot see the whole field or make on the fly decisions. My talent will overcome that. Yeh, one game out of ?????????

I often thought how is it possible that with the same team Bledsoe was losing and Brady comes in and wins the SB. I have given it thought. But the answer is quite simple. Bledsoe has talent sure (throwing wise better than Brady). But it takes much, much more to win. Brady, well better than OK talent. But guts, heart, determination, he sees the whole field, can adjust, is calm under pressure (took a nap before the SB), releases the ball quickly, elevates his play when the stakes get higher, etc. etc. Just one heck of a QB. So talent wise, meaning you can throw the ball, sure Bledsoe. But winning, well that's just another ball game. I am going to win, I am not going to lose. I am calm. I will do whatever is necessary, I am going to win. What is it in throwing a darn ball, I can do it, and I will win.

So welcome to the third Bledsoe team of pain. Some of you will forever sing his praises -- others will wake up and smell the roses in a very short period of time (like me in New England). He may go the the Hall of Fame, but you know what, he has not done a darn thing except throw the ball well on occassion. Gee. So what. Get off the field already.

That's all I have to say. For all you Bledsoe lovers, please don't wait for any SB -- NOT. In 1996 Bledsoe had Curtis Martin as a running back, Terry Glenn as a receiver, and Ben Coates as the Tight End, and the bum still could not win the SB. Bum, double bum. Over-rated. But oh, can he throw the ball!!!!!!!!

That's what I've been telling these guys all year long. He also had Willis Mcgahee/Travis Henry, plus Lee Evans,Josh Reed and Eric Moulds and the number 2 defense last year and still couldn't get it done.

 

[superpunk]

That's what I've been telling these guys all year long. He also had Willis Mcgahee/Travis Henry, plus Lee Evans,Josh Reed and Eric Moulds and the number 2 defense last year and still couldn't get it done.

And yet he's come here, with a brand new defense, an offensive line in shambles, a running game far inferior to what Buffalo's was, and recievers probably not as good as Moulds and Evans, and led us to a winning record. Sure sounds like Buffalo's failures last year were ALL Drew Bledsoe's fault.

 

[kartr]

As a 30 year season ticket holder for the Pats, I can tell you most honestly that I was sold on Parcells and Drew in the first year. But you know, see them come, see them go.

My favorite Pats QB was Grogan. You are probably saying WHO. Well, the guy was great. He didn't have an ounce of talent around him. But oh, was he a great QB. Right up there with Marino, Elway, and Kelly during his time. Never got the credit.

And then years and years of nothing. Parcells came in and turned the team around but it got sour. He is set in his ways. I think and am sure, if when Bledsoe went down and Brady came in --- and then Bledsoe got better, he would have played the vet. Brady would have never played.

I give Belichick credit, he said --hum, maybe this Brady kid has something and Bledsoe was off to Buffalo. Parcells likes the old vets. But sometimes you have to open your eyes and look a little.

I was a big Grogan fan too. After his knee injury, he developed into a pretty good pocket qb. Feel free to come here anytime and bash Bledsoe, maybe they'll listen to a 'been there done that' voice of reason.

 

[DallasDomination]

What happened in NE or Buffalo is another story and another problem, I judge him on what he's done on the field for the DAllas Cowboys ONly.

I heard he would choke in big games- Well the only ones choking in Dallas are the Oline and the rookies.


I heard he holds the ball to long- He's won us 8 games holding the ball to long. Besides we as fans have no say in this because we dont know the play calling, the routs or the situations that happen on the field. For all I know the recievers are not getting open or the play calling forces Bledsoe to wait for a route to finish. So we cant just sit here and say " see I told you so he holds the damn ball to long" without knowing what is going on first.

 

[kartr]

Since Bledsoe has left, all it has proven in Buffalo is that they really did need help on their O-Line and blaming Bledsoe for everything was quite silly.

Again, I'm not an ardent Bledsoe supporter. I just want to see the O-Line actually play well for the first time in 6 years first. I'd love to see them run block well for the first time in 6 years. Something that has virtually nothing to do with the QB.

Rich.......

It proves nothing of the kind. Kelly Holcomb currently has a qb rating of 90 behind that same offensive line. It just shows that J P Losman is very inexperienced and needs more time. Holcomb is a undrafted free agent journeyman, that should tell you how good Bledsoe really is.

 

[kartr]

We knew all this when we signed him.

But when the options are Kurt Warner, Kerry Collins, or bringing back Quincy Carter, what would you have done?

Keep in mind we were in a position where we had so many holes on the team that bundling a bunch of high draft picks to move up for Carson Palmer wasn't exactly an option....

But all of those qb's have gotten a team into the playoffs in the last 5 years.
Carter has help 2 different teams get into the playoffs and with less experience than Bledsoe and a lesser supporting cast.

 

[kartr]

He was 25/48 for 253 yds., 2 TD's, 4 Int's in the Super Bowl against GB.

And I'll just bet Bledsoe would say those picks were the receivers or OL fault.
Of course we know it's never Bledsoe's fault.