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[kartr]

How exactly did Bledsoe get us behind the Chiefs again?

This ought to be good.

The Bills with Losman, who is essentially a rookie handled the Chiefs quite nicely and made them look like sh--, while it takes us a almost a whole half to get going and get into a shootout with them. Their defense is a joke,yet Bledsoe struggled with them early on and at home at that. If not for Scott Fijita forcing that fumble, we would have probably had another embarrassing loss. That one play turned the tide for a team that was just sleep-walking when they badly needed that game. Where is the great Bledsoe's leadership and talent half the time. We also sleep-walked thru the Detroit game. With Vinny, it was a pedestrian,but convincing win. With Carter, we had stomped the Lions butts by half time and they scored first because of Hambricks fumble. Whatever talent Bledsoe has,it's negated by his vanilla personality, because his teammates respond better to other qb's than to him.

 

[jterrell]

How about bringing in a qb who can make his teammates better instead of one who needs to be over-protected. Brady won with the same team that Bledsoe couldn't get to the playoffs. He won with Antoine Smith and David Patten and David Givens who was a 7th round converted running back.

David Givens is a life long WR.
Get your facts straight.

He went to high school at Humble near Houston then on to Notre Dame.
He was a sleeper for me coming out of that draft due to having solid hands and great size.
He was hurt by Notre Dame having such a poor passing attack at that point.

 

[jterrell]

okay...then lets play it your way then..

who outside of Flo has missed significant time on the O-line...

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well now.....


so let us say that Bill MUST like this line because he chose to stick with it...there have been choices available....

so if it isn't the line?

Try supposed RT starter Jacob Rogers.
Losing Rogers meant force-feeding a rookie 6th rounder.

Yea Parcells has been so comfortable on OL that he has added 4 or 5 OL during the season and met with Ross Verba.

 

[kojak]

The Bills with Losman, who is essentially a rookie handled the Chiefs quite nicely and made them look like sh--, while it takes us a almost a whole half to get going and get into a shootout with them. Their defense is a joke,yet Bledsoe struggled with them early on and at home at that. If not for Scott Fijita forcing that fumble, we would have probably had another embarrassing loss. That one play turned the tide for a team that was just sleep-walking when they badly needed that game. Where is the great Bledsoe's leadership and talent half the time. We also sleep-walked thru the Detroit game. With Vinny, it was a pedestrian,but convincing win. With Carter, we had stomped the Lions butts by half time and they scored first because of Hambricks fumble. Whatever talent Bledsoe has,it's negated by his vanilla personality, because his teammates respond better to other qb's than to him.

The chiefs beat Brady and the patriots. Brady somehow found a way to get picked off 4 times to this sucky chiefs defense. Go figure

 

[Chuck 54]

How do I start this. Perhaps to say that when there is a Drew fan they never get over it. In New England, in Buffalo, next Dallas. You cannot tell these people anything. Drew is God.

Now for those of us that can think, we say, well, yeh, one week out of 5 he is great, but then he falls apart. We will never win long term, consistently, over the long haul.

Here is the clear and simple answer. Bledose is a great QB in terms of throwing the ball, hitting his first receiver (the one the coach tells him to throw to).

Now, if there is pressure, or gee he has to find a secondary receiver and see the whole field -- trouble. Happy feet time. Can not handle pressure. Cannot see the whole field or make on the fly decisions. My talent will overcome that. Yeh, one game out of ?????????

I often thought how is it possible that with the same team Bledsoe was losing and Brady comes in and wins the SB. I have given it thought. But the answer is quite simple. Bledsoe has talent sure (throwing wise better than Brady). But it takes much, much more to win. Brady, well better than OK talent. But guts, heart, determination, he sees the whole field, can adjust, is calm under pressure (took a nap before the SB), releases the ball quickly, elevates his play when the stakes get higher, etc. etc. Just one heck of a QB. So talent wise, meaning you can throw the ball, sure Bledsoe. But winning, well that's just another ball game. I am going to win, I am not going to lose. I am calm. I will do whatever is necessary, I am going to win. What is it in throwing a darn ball, I can do it, and I will win.

So welcome to the third Bledsoe team of pain. Some of you will forever sing his praises -- others will wake up and smell the roses in a very short period of time (like me in New England). He may go the the Hall of Fame, but you know what, he has not done a darn thing except throw the ball well on occassion. Gee. So what. Get off the field already.

That's all I have to say. For all you Bledsoe lovers, please don't wait for any SB -- NOT. In 1996 Bledsoe had Curtis Martin as a running back, Terry Glenn as a receiver, and Ben Coates as the Tight End, and the bum still could not win the SB. Bum, double bum. Over-rated. But oh, can he throw the ball!!!!!!!!

I think I'd say the same thing about Bill Parcells ....fact is that he never won a championship anywhere else after leaving the Giants.

 

[jterrell]

So do you stand in front of the mirror when you say that?

Then why Did Bledsoe and rest of Offense want Bill to open up? Maybe you should share your infinite wisdom to Bledsoe and his teammates

Geez, I thought you had some legitimate argument. But I guess I am not smart enough to understand your argument, [B]that to get better blocking is to block better[/B]. What a stroke of genius indeed.

So now Bledsoe's job is to coach and call plays???

Get real dude. Seriously.

Parcells knew we couldn't open it up repeatedly without exposing the horrid OL play. In fact he repeated that mantra all week in the press conference.

 

[Zaxor]

You answer your own question.
The reason teams can pin their ears and come is because we can't A) run block and b) pass block.

San Diego did the same against Indy and I am pretty sure Peyton Manning doesn't suck.

Indy has lost one game...Apples and Oranges...

and it is always the o-lines fault with Bledsoe isn't it

LOL

we can't run because we can't pass and we can't pass because we can't run

take away his deep threat with 2 and you can rush 9...they get to him easy...

then later in the game they got the o-line so back on there heels that they show 9 and rush 2 and get to Bledsoe because he still is looking down field

The guy wants to make the play and in his mind that play is downfield... the further the game gets out of hand the more down field he looks...

He still locks onto receivers after 13 years... refuses to read a defense/take what the defense offers.. makes way more than his share of boneheaded plays and adds incredible pressure to an offense let alone the offensive line

He is easy prey for a defense... there is little to the guy outside of his arm that is worth having like I said before ...the guy can throw it...a million dollar arm but the rest of him isn't worth .10 cents

Get a QB in here that can throw the slant...that can throw the crossing routes...that will back those LB's off and next thing ya know ya can run the ball... it really is that easy it is just that Bledsoe makes it impossible

 

[Zaxor]

Try supposed RT starter Jacob Rogers.
Losing Rogers meant force-feeding a rookie 6th rounder.

Yea Parcells has been so comfortable on OL that he has added 4 or 5 OL during the season and met with Ross Verba.

when did Rogers get hurt? and why was there no contingency plan like Bill says he is always working on?

and there was certainly no need to force feed anything as there was tackles available...

 

[kartr]

If you say so. But as I stated before, I haven't followed his whole career and I don't really care what's happened in the past. It's irrevelant to me at this point.

I am only calling what i have seen this year while he has been a Cowboy. Not a patriot, and not a Buffalo Bill. And so far from what I have seen, the team has no running game, medicore o-line, and a bunch of #2's recievers.

Not your idea enviroment for a pocket passer QB. I just want to see what he can do with a good o-line, and a good running game before I form an opinion on the guy.

It really doesn't matter what year you look at, he's the same.
The Chargers,SF,Arizona,KC,Philly all have had seriously poor secondary play. Our losses have been against the Giants,Commanders,Seahawks,Broncos. All of them have strong defenses and will probably make the playoffs.We beat the Chargers who may or may not make it. We lost to the Raiders who won't make it to the playoffs. The point is if he can't win against strong defenses in the regular season, he certainly can't win in the playoffs. What I want to see him do is win with what we have and show that he can win without everything being perfect;show that he's not the weakest link.

 

[jterrell]

So do you stand in front of the mirror when you say that?

Then why Did Bledsoe and rest of Offense want Bill to open up? Maybe you should share your infinite wisdom to Bledsoe and his teammates

Geez, I thought you had some legitimate argument. But I guess I am not smart enough to understand your argument, [B]that to get better blocking is to block better[/B]. What a stroke of genius indeed.

Did you fail 7th grade English?

You took and placed in bold some nonsense I did not write.

MY quote was the only way we get better is to block better. I did not say that redundant nonsense you placed in bold.

Its really hard to take people seriously if they can't read 1 line.

Read before you post; or at least before you try and quote.

 

[kartr]

Well because that's not going to happen now. He has already been signed and I don't see him going anywhere while parcells is here.

So the question is. Since we have him here, what is Parcells going to do with this team to try and win with Drew as QB?

His contract is not guaranteed. He can be terminated at any time. If Parcells can't see that we're on the wrong track, maybe he needs to spend more time with his grandchildren.

 

[jterrell]

The chiefs beat Brady and the patriots. Brady somehow found a way to get picked off 4 times to this sucky chiefs defense. Go figure

and the amazing Pats with Brady are all of 1 game better than us getting to play the scrub Jets, Dolphins and Bills. Their divisional opponents have 14 wins, ours have 24.

 

[jterrell]

The Bills with Losman, who is essentially a rookie handled the Chiefs quite nicely and made them look like sh--, while it takes us a almost a whole half to get going and get into a shootout with them. Their defense is a joke,yet Bledsoe struggled with them early on and at home at that. If not for Scott Fijita forcing that fumble, we would have probably had another embarrassing loss. That one play turned the tide for a team that was just sleep-walking when they badly needed that game. Where is the great Bledsoe's leadership and talent half the time. We also sleep-walked thru the Detroit game. With Vinny, it was a pedestrian,but convincing win. With Carter, we had stomped the Lions butts by half time and they scored first because of Hambricks fumble. Whatever talent Bledsoe has,it's negated by his vanilla personality, because his teammates respond better to other qb's than to him.

HAHAHAHA

You mean the Bills defense that held KC to 3 points won that game not the offense who scored a whopping 14 points. Dallas scored 31.

 

[kojak]

His contract is not guaranteed. He can be terminated at any time. If Parcells can't see that we're on the wrong track, maybe he needs to spend more time with his grandchildren.

Then who do you bring in to be QB? And could they win ball games and be productive with what we have to offer as it stands right now.

 

[kojak]

and the amazing Pats with Brady are all of 1 game better than us getting to play the scrub Jets, Dolphins and Bills. Their divisional opponents have 14 wins, ours have 24.

True, but I bet ya it isn't Brady's fault

 

[kartr]

All it says is that the circumstances are totally different.

I am not trying to defend Bledsoe, but your insistance that Carter could do it while he cannot makes no sense as you are comparing two different scenarios.

I will tell you this, with the type of protection we have around here right now, Carter would not be doing any better.

Our line has been bad every year that I remember. I certainly remember Warren Sapp whipping Larry Allen badly in Tampa Bay and repeatedly knocking Carter to the ground. I remember Ronde Barber and the Pats dbs knocking Hambrick down in the backfield. I remember 10 offensive line penalties while playing the Pats and Carter dodging McGinest and company in the backfield. I also remeber Parcells saying that Carter needs to get in better shape in 2004 because of the beating he took. I remember in the Dolphins game when Ogunleye pushed the RT into Carter while in the act of throwing the ball causing Carter to fumble. I also remember Carter throwing touchdowns to Terry Glenn and Galloway and Richie Anderson with his opponents draped all over him. I remember Galloway stopped running when he saw Carter about to be sacked, but Carter got away, he threw the ball running to his left 60 yards and the ball was only overthrown cause Galloway stopped running. This was against the Skins. How about Carter beating the blitz and hitting Galloway perfectedly on the 3rd and long that set up the winning field goal after Correll Buckhalter made the Cowboys secondary look silly on that td run. There were so many plays that he made including that 'Rocket pass' to Galloway against the Jets that setup the field goal to put them away.

People here go out their way to make him seem like the most inept qb to walk the earth because he was a mobile qb instead of a 'pocket qb'. That was a great season for us and he was a major contributor,but people here would rather lose with a 'pocket qb' than win with a 'mobile'. Well, you've got your wish, but we won't be making the playoffs very often with this fumble-fingered statue qb. I hope you're happy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

okay...then lets play it your way then..

who outside of Flo has missed significant time on the O-line...

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well now.....


so let us say that Bill MUST like this line because he chose to stick with it...there have been choices available....

so if it isn't the line?

it's the line

and it's Bledsoe

it's easier to field a great line, than it is to field a great QB

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I think I'd say the same thing about Bill Parcells ....fact is that he never won a championship anywhere else after leaving the Giants.

how many coaches have won Super Bowls with different teams?

not many

even the immortal Jimmy J didn't win one in Miami

 

[kartr]

[And the league in its infinite wisdom is starting qb's and backup qb's and benching one after the other and then again,none of which are as good as Carter. That's what got Mooch fired;starting 2 qb's whom Carter owns(has beaten them 3 games to 1).][/QUOTE]

So the fact that the Jets, who actually gave Q a chance, and who have arguably the WORST situation in the entire league this year, didn't even give Q a call this year when their 1, 2 and 3 QBs went down, tells you nothing? But, you'll compare win-loss records of a couple players playing on a team that has shown itself to be competely incompetent over the past ten years? Makes a lot of sense to me. If Q was worth a damn, the Jets would have brought him back. he's not worth a damn, so they didn't.[/QUOTE]

I would have signed Jeff Blake to replace Bollinger with, at least he's a pro-bowl like year or two. Do you really think it's smart to have Bollinger over Blake or even Kordell Stewart on your roster?

 

[kartr]

You need therapy.

I'm getting it now, everytime I slice and dice you up, buddy boy.