Paxton Lynch/Connor Cook thread

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We've talked a lot about the top two QBs, Goff and Wentz. There's a good chance those guys will be gone at 4. The next two likely QBs taken are Lynch and Cook. Could one of them be the QB of the future? I highly doubt Lynch will stay until round 2, so we would either trade down and take him or just grab him at 4 (much like we did with Travis Frederick). Have any of you guys seen these players in action? I've only seen highlights of Lynch, but I have seen Connor Cook. He was excellent. His mechanics were good and he read defenses well. Maybe in the first round we take the best player available and then grab Cook if he's still there in the 2nd. Or maybe we get Lynch in the first after a trade back (or staying put). Since Romo is the guy for the next couple years, one of these guys has the opportunity to apprentice and eventually be the starter much like Romo learned behind Testaverde and Bledsoe. Think it could work?

I'm not convinced about Wentz anyway. I saw him in the Senior Bowl and was underwhelmed. Of course, I'll admit I'm not a talent scout/expert. It does seem the experts get it wrong a lot anyway. Both the top two QBs in recent history have not worked out. Payton Manning had a stellar career while Ryan Leaf was a total bust. Andrew Luck has been excellent while RG3 looks like a bust (after a good first year). For all we know either Goff or Wentz will bust (or maybe even both) while the 3rd and 4th guys are the real gems.
 
Reverend Conehead said:
We've talked a lot about the top two QBs, Goff and Wentz. There's a good chance those guys will be gone at 4. The next two likely QBs taken are Lynch and Cook. Could one of them be the QB of the future? I highly doubt Lynch will stay until round 2, so we would either trade down and take him or just grab him at 4 (much like we did with Travis Frederick). Have any of you guys seen these players in action? I've only seen highlights of Lynch, but I have seen Connor Cook. He was excellent. His mechanics were good and he read defenses well. Maybe in the first round we take the best player available and then grab Cook if he's still there in the 2nd. Or maybe we get Lynch in the first after a trade back (or staying put). Since Romo is the guy for the next couple years, one of these guys has the opportunity to apprentice and eventually be the starter much like Romo learned behind Testaverde and Bledsoe. Think it could work?

I'm not convinced about Wentz anyway. I saw him in the Senior Bowl and was underwhelmed. Of course, I'll admit I'm not a talent scout/expert. It does seem the experts get it wrong a lot anyway. Both the top two QBs in recent history have not worked out. Payton Manning had a stellar career while Ryan Leaf was a total bust. Andrew Luck has been excellent while RG3 looks like a bust (after a good first year). For all we know either Goff or Wentz will bust (or maybe even both) while the 3rd and 4th guys are the real gems.
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Both of those guys will go in the 1st round, To RICH at #4 or #15 but it will take at least a 2nd and 3rd to move back into the 1st round to snag one of these guys....IMO I would be talking with the Patriots about Jimmy Garoppolo.....I would trade them #34 and dont look back.
 
If it plays out the way I think the Boys want it to play out, I think it is Dak in the 3rd/4th.
 
I heard Phil Simms talk about both on SiriusXM yesterday.

He said that Lynch has some throwing mechanic issues that just need to be cleaned up. He said he doesn't spin the ball quite like you would think he would given his arm strength and size. But, that's just due to some of his mechanics. Said that he tends to lower himself at times throwing (usually over-striding). But said when he stays tall he can really rip it. One of the things that Simms stated is something I've stated for a while...he's a tremendous (Phil's words) underneath thrower. And Phil stated that in today's NFL it's a big advantage to have a good underneath thrower. Phil seemed really high on him.

He wasn't high on Cook. Didn't like his throwing motion. Said he never saw him make a 'wow' throw once. He said the same for Hackenberg. Although he did say that he had heard rumors of Hackenberg telling scouts and coaches as to what throwing mechanics were taught to him at Penn State and Phil said it was the exact opposite of what he would teach any QB and he was shocked to hear it because it was such bad information.

I personally want Lynch. In the NFL, the future is just as important as the present. And I still fully believe that if Romo and Dez were healthy, we win the division rather easily. Of course, the division was lousy last year. And we still lost mostly very close games with awful QB's at the helm. To me, there's no reason why we can't win the division with a healthy Romo and Dez. And if we get some help in the defensive backfield and stay relatively healthy on defense, we may be able to do some great things in postseason.

Sure, those are some big 'ifs', but I really think that winning the division with a healthy Romo and Dez is a legitimate reality.

So we really don't need to draft an impact player right now in the first round to take care of the present.

I don't see how Wentz is ranked ahead of Lynch by any scout. Lynch is likely a better athlete with a better arm and a more accurate arm. He's bigger and played against good defenses last year like Temple, Navy, Houston, etc. Meanwhile he had jack squat on offense. Wentz was playing at a much lower level of competition. Sure, he had lower level quality of teammates, but the comparison off offensive support vs. quality of opponents was in his favor. It was not for Lynch.

I can see people preferring Goff to Lynch because Goff is far more ready than Lynch and looks like a tremendous downfield thrower who can already manipulate the safety. But, I think Lynch is head and shoulders better physically and we're not looking to start any QB right away. I actually like Wentz, too...but I just don't understand putting him ahead of Lynch or Goff.

I think with Lynch you have a 6'7" QB that moves around like a 6'2" QB and he can run. I compare him to Aaron Rodgers. Same type of throwing motion, same type of arm strength, great underneath thrower, may not run the fastest 40 time, but can get up and go quickly. Same questions about the college offense they played in. Except Lynch is 6'7" and Rodgers is 6'2".

I think with Lynch you can throw it deep and throw it underneath with him. The intermediate throws will be where he needs to improve most. You can put him in the pistol and use the read option forcing a defender to contain him instead of helping out against the run. You can run read option with the zone runs behind Tyron and force the backside contain out to allow the RB to cut back more easily. If not, Lynch can keep the ball and throw it.





RH
 
I am not sure how someone can conclude that Cook was "excellent"................ not one season with a completion percentage over 60% and if you look at some of the big games he played in, he was good in some but brutal in others (Iowa and Bama of last year for example).
 
CowboyChris said:
I can't see any scenario with us taking Lynch at #4.
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I could see it, but it's pretty unlikely. I could definitely see them making a small trade back and taking Lynch there after netting another pick.
 
If Lynch is on the radar, trade back to #15 and get more picks.
 
Eddie said:
If Lynch is on the radar, trade back to #15 and get more picks.
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That's too far back to get Lynch. He may very well go top 10. The trade down will have to be pretty small if Lynch is the target.

If Wentz of Goff is there at #4, I can see trading with the 49ers and taking Lynch at #7. That is if the Cowboys scouts really like him.
 
Eddie said:
If Lynch is on the radar, trade back to #15 and get more picks.
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If they want Lynch, they can't trade back to 15. He won't last that long especially if Goff and Wentz go 1 and 2 as expected. Just don't think he would get by both Philly and San Fran. If we want him, we will have to take him at 4. Personally, I think we will get Wentz, as i do not expect Cleveland to take a QB at 2, but they very well could trade out of that pick to either Us, Philly or San Fran. But i do not see a way in which any of the top 3 QB make it to 15 when there are 5 teams in the top 10 that need a QB.
 
erod said:
It bugs me that Connor Cook was not voted to be a team captain at Michigan State. Supposedly, he wasn't well-liked.
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From BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1 on 4/15:



http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/college/MichiganState_logo.gif Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Leadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/tonypaulinerumors.php#SzFkDJpAdFiAGXOz.99
 
Joe Realist said:
From BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1 on 4/15:



http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/college/MichiganState_logo.gif Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
Leadership questions continue to plague quarterback Connor Cook. I was told during interviews he's come across as flippant and cavalier, and many question whether Cook is a team leader at the quarterback position.
Read more at http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/tonypaulinerumors.php#SzFkDJpAdFiAGXOz.99
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So he's an inaccurate passer and now came off bad in team interviews?

Sign me up!
 
BigStar said:
But wouldn't SF be trading up for Lynch (or you thinking for Elliott/Bosa)? I think we have to take him at 4 as referenced above. QBs seem to go high every year.
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As I said in my previous post, if Goff or Wentz is available at #4, then the 49ers would be interested in the move up. If both are gone, there would be no trade.
 
RXP said:
As I said in my previous post, if Goff or Wentz is available at #4, then the 49ers would be interested in the move up. If both are gone, there would be no trade.
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Missed that, my mistake
 
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