Paxton Lynch/Connor Cook thread

Both of those guys will go in the 1st round, To RICH at #4 or #15 but it will take at least a 2nd and 3rd to move back into the 1st round to snag one of these guys....IMO I would be talking with the Patriots about Jimmy Garoppolo.....I would trade them #34 and dont look back.

I like Lynch I think he has a great upside. Cook I would be concerned about. I think he has the tools but I question his leadership ability. When you are not even a team captain as a QB at Mich St. that bothers me. The position has inherited leadership role that he does not seem to possess.
 
I could live with either one in the second round. Hopefully one of them is left by then.
 
I like Lynch I think he has a great upside. Cook I would be concerned about. I think he has the tools but I question his leadership ability. When you are not even a team captain as a QB at Mich St. that bothers me. The position has inherited leadership role that he does not seem to possess.

Since he was not a team captain, I'm wondering if he is off their board since that is a trait they like. Like you said, especially for a QB and a SR QB at that.
 
Since he was not a team captain, I'm wondering if he is off their board since that is a trait they like. Like you said, especially for a QB and a SR QB at that.

He was brought in for an official visit so I think he's on our board.
 
Since he was not a team captain, I'm wondering if he is off their board since that is a trait they like. Like you said, especially for a QB and a SR QB at that.

I don't know. I have watched a lot of Conner Cook and there are things about him I like, I also think he has the talent. He does gamble at times more than I would like and as I said I question his leadership ability in large part because it is not very common when the QB is not a team captain.
 
Someone posted in the Draft Zone that it was reported that Cook rubbed some teams the wrong way with his attitude in his interviews.

I don't know. There's not much I can find that makes me think he's got potential. He's not particularly mobile. He's not particularly accurate. He's come up small in some (not all) big games. And he "may" have some attitude issues.

That's really not a good mix.

At least with a guy like Lynch, there's something there to work with. He's a pretty good athlete and can move, has a big arm, etc. Sure he's raw but there is something there to work with. Cook? I just don't see it.
 
I don't think Lynch is going to be there at #15, either. The same teams that were in play for Wentz will be in play for Lynch.
 
The Connor Cook saga is a strange one... What did this kid actually do to deserve it?... Where is the story of him creating this opinion of himself?
Where is the video of him punching a baby?... kicking an animal?... heckling a fat girl?... not using a crosswalk?... anything!... in this day and age
of social media and TMZ headlines, you'd think someone would have a story of this QB from a major college causing a stir.... but we got nothing.

Forget the actual game film and the completion rate and anything "football"... This is a smear job... but why?
 
I think because the Pats will soon lose him for nothing. Brady is signed for I think 4 more years. Garoppolo for 2, so they could be headed for a Brock Ossweiler situation. Someone will sign him, so Pats need to try and get something.

Your logic holds water with me. That could be the case, I guess.
 
Cook in the 2nd round at 34 would be a disaster.

This, IMO.

Cook has done very little in his amateur career to prove anything other than he can throw a football. Big deal, I can throw a football. He might make a good backup but you don't take backups in the 2nd round.
 
Someone posted in the Draft Zone that it was reported that Cook rubbed some teams the wrong way with his attitude in his interviews.

I don't know. There's not much I can find that makes me think he's got potential. He's not particularly mobile. He's not particularly accurate. He's come up small in some (not all) big games. And he "may" have some attitude issues.

That's really not a good mix.

So, basically, he's looking like a potential Jay Cutler without the big arm. No thanks.
 
Even though he had a great career at Michigan State, I don't see Cook as a guy I'd want to invest in for our future. On the other hand, I view Lynch as a guy with unlimited upside, I'd be doing back flips if we either traded back to get him or he was somehow still there in R2.
 
If Dallas has Cook rated as being worthy of being taken early in the second, I have no problem with it.

I assume in that that the Cowboys have thoroughly vetted him and do not believe his alleged lack of leadership or inconsistency issues are problems, or at least not ones that can't be fixed.

I'm not interested in playing like I know which of these QBs is going to be great and which ones are going to fail.
 
The Connor Cook saga is a strange one... What did this kid actually do to deserve it?... Where is the story of him creating this opinion of himself?
Where is the video of him punching a baby?... kicking an animal?... heckling a fat girl?... not using a crosswalk?... anything!... in this day and age
of social media and TMZ headlines, you'd think someone would have a story of this QB from a major college causing a stir.... but we got nothing.

Forget the actual game film and the completion rate and anything "football"... This is a smear job... but why?

I don't know about any smear but when you are the QB and not looked at as a team captain it raised red flags.
 
I think because the Pats will soon lose him for nothing. Brady is signed for I think 4 more years. Garoppolo for 2, so they could be headed for a Brock Ossweiler situation. Someone will sign him, so Pats need to try and get something.

Indeed. Also, the Pats thought enough of Garoppolo to draft him in the 2nd round despite having Brady at the controls, and also already having Ryan Mallett as Brady's backup, and they spent a 3rd round pick on Mallett in 2011. Garoppolo beat out Mallett as a rookie...making him expendable. That's when he was traded to Houston in 2014 for a 6th or 7th. I'd be more worried in a Mallett type of situation, where he was unseated by a rookie & then traded for minimal compensation.

Not sure if the Pats would want to part with Garoppolo now. But they lack a 1st, and #34 could get them pretty close. As I've mentioned here previously, I'd at least inquire about the possibility.
 
Myself, I don't take any of these QB's this year as I don't think any are true franchise QB's. I go with Romo and Moore and if Romo goes out again then so be it. We will suck and then be set for next year for a go for Deshaun Watson. I say go all out on Defense until we get to the later rounds then go BPA. If Romo doesn't get hurt then I think we make a long run in the playoffs with getting some top Defensive players added via this years draft.
 
I don't see the Cowboys using #4 or #34 on any QB.

We are looking at DL and the secondary, possibly even WR before QB
 
I heard Phil Simms talk about both on SiriusXM yesterday.

He said that Lynch has some throwing mechanic issues that just need to be cleaned up. He said he doesn't spin the ball quite like you would think he would given his arm strength and size. But, that's just due to some of his mechanics. Said that he tends to lower himself at times throwing (usually over-striding). But said when he stays tall he can really rip it. One of the things that Simms stated is something I've stated for a while...he's a tremendous (Phil's words) underneath thrower. And Phil stated that in today's NFL it's a big advantage to have a good underneath thrower. Phil seemed really high on him.

He wasn't high on Cook. Didn't like his throwing motion. Said he never saw him make a 'wow' throw once. He said the same for Hackenberg. Although he did say that he had heard rumors of Hackenberg telling scouts and coaches as to what throwing mechanics were taught to him at Penn State and Phil said it was the exact opposite of what he would teach any QB and he was shocked to hear it because it was such bad information.

I personally want Lynch. In the NFL, the future is just as important as the present. And I still fully believe that if Romo and Dez were healthy, we win the division rather easily. Of course, the division was lousy last year. And we still lost mostly very close games with awful QB's at the helm. To me, there's no reason why we can't win the division with a healthy Romo and Dez. And if we get some help in the defensive backfield and stay relatively healthy on defense, we may be able to do some great things in postseason.

Sure, those are some big 'ifs', but I really think that winning the division with a healthy Romo and Dez is a legitimate reality.

So we really don't need to draft an impact player right now in the first round to take care of the present.

I don't see how Wentz is ranked ahead of Lynch by any scout. Lynch is likely a better athlete with a better arm and a more accurate arm. He's bigger and played against good defenses last year like Temple, Navy, Houston, etc. Meanwhile he had jack squat on offense. Wentz was playing at a much lower level of competition. Sure, he had lower level quality of teammates, but the comparison off offensive support vs. quality of opponents was in his favor. It was not for Lynch.

I can see people preferring Goff to Lynch because Goff is far more ready than Lynch and looks like a tremendous downfield thrower who can already manipulate the safety. But, I think Lynch is head and shoulders better physically and we're not looking to start any QB right away. I actually like Wentz, too...but I just don't understand putting him ahead of Lynch or Goff.

I think with Lynch you have a 6'7" QB that moves around like a 6'2" QB and he can run. I compare him to Aaron Rodgers. Same type of throwing motion, same type of arm strength, great underneath thrower, may not run the fastest 40 time, but can get up and go quickly. Same questions about the college offense they played in. Except Lynch is 6'7" and Rodgers is 6'2".

I think with Lynch you can throw it deep and throw it underneath with him. The intermediate throws will be where he needs to improve most. You can put him in the pistol and use the read option forcing a defender to contain him instead of helping out against the run. You can run read option with the zone runs behind Tyron and force the backside contain out to allow the RB to cut back more easily. If not, Lynch can keep the ball and throw it.





RH

I'm sold. Take Elliot or Bosa. Yes, Bosa if trading back to get Elliott is not an option. And look to get back in the first round to snag Paxton. He won't last till the second.
 

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