Paxton Lynch/Connor Cook thread

[Joe Realist]

As I said in my previous post, if Goff or Wentz is available at #4, then the 49ers would be interested in the move up. If both are gone, there would be no trade.

I still see Eagles, MAYBE moving up to 2, if Rams like Goff and not Wentz

 

[Direwolf63]

I still see Eagles, MAYBE moving up to 2, if Rams like Goff and not Wentz

Certainly a possibility. If I were them, I'd sit at #8 and take Elliott. But whatever they decide, I hope it turns out to be the worst possible outcome.

 

[jujoboys]

I heard Phil Simms talk about both on SiriusXM yesterday.

He said that Lynch has some throwing mechanic issues that just need to be cleaned up. He said he doesn't spin the ball quite like you would think he would given his arm strength and size. But, that's just due to some of his mechanics. Said that he tends to lower himself at times throwing (usually over-striding). But said when he stays tall he can really rip it. One of the things that Simms stated is something I've stated for a while...he's a tremendous (Phil's words) underneath thrower. And Phil stated that in today's NFL it's a big advantage to have a good underneath thrower. Phil seemed really high on him.

He wasn't high on Cook. Didn't like his throwing motion. Said he never saw him make a 'wow' throw once. He said the same for Hackenberg. Although he did say that he had heard rumors of Hackenberg telling scouts and coaches as to what throwing mechanics were taught to him at Penn State and Phil said it was the exact opposite of what he would teach any QB and he was shocked to hear it because it was such bad information.

I personally want Lynch. In the NFL, the future is just as important as the present. And I still fully believe that if Romo and Dez were healthy, we win the division rather easily. Of course, the division was lousy last year. And we still lost mostly very close games with awful QB's at the helm. To me, there's no reason why we can't win the division with a healthy Romo and Dez. And if we get some help in the defensive backfield and stay relatively healthy on defense, we may be able to do some great things in postseason.

Sure, those are some big 'ifs', but I really think that winning the division with a healthy Romo and Dez is a legitimate reality.

So we really don't need to draft an impact player right now in the first round to take care of the present.

I don't see how Wentz is ranked ahead of Lynch by any scout. Lynch is likely a better athlete with a better arm and a more accurate arm. He's bigger and played against good defenses last year like Temple, Navy, Houston, etc. Meanwhile he had jack squat on offense. Wentz was playing at a much lower level of competition. Sure, he had lower level quality of teammates, but the comparison off offensive support vs. quality of opponents was in his favor. It was not for Lynch.

I can see people preferring Goff to Lynch because Goff is far more ready than Lynch and looks like a tremendous downfield thrower who can already manipulate the safety. But, I think Lynch is head and shoulders better physically and we're not looking to start any QB right away. I actually like Wentz, too...but I just don't understand putting him ahead of Lynch or Goff.

I think with Lynch you have a 6'7" QB that moves around like a 6'2" QB and he can run. I compare him to Aaron Rodgers. Same type of throwing motion, same type of arm strength, great underneath thrower, may not run the fastest 40 time, but can get up and go quickly. Same questions about the college offense they played in. Except Lynch is 6'7" and Rodgers is 6'2".

I think with Lynch you can throw it deep and throw it underneath with him. The intermediate throws will be where he needs to improve most. You can put him in the pistol and use the read option forcing a defender to contain him instead of helping out against the run. You can run read option with the zone runs behind Tyron and force the backside contain out to allow the RB to cut back more easily. If not, Lynch can keep the ball and throw it.





RH

Yes, I heard that interview. Phil Simms basically said that the only true 1st round QBs in this draft were Goff, Wentz, and Lynch. He said that he would take Cook in the 4th or 5th round and hope that he could develop into a back up and eventually a starter, but did not sound too optimistic that he was NFL starting material. Sounded like he did not think too much of Cook or Hackenberg.

 

[erod]

I still see Eagles, MAYBE moving up to 2, if Rams like Goff and not Wentz

Or Dallas. Cowboys would have the advantage because of a higher pick and Philly not having a second-round pick this year. Dallas could get away with probably only a 3rd-rounder.

I'd rather trade back, but if they really believe Wentz is going to be a bigtime QB after Romo, then by all means, they should do it.

 

[plasticman]

If anyone really beleives that Tony Romo has a reasonable probability of being productive over the next two seasons then they need to wake up.

Romo has never been that big phyaical gyy able to take the punishment and now he is on the wrong side of mid thirties recovering from consecutive injuries to the same body part.

I love Tony but Ive seen this before with some pretty good QB's. Once you start collecting injuries late in your career the writing is on thw wall.

The Cowboys need their next franchise quarterback now and its not Lynch. Je doeant have that quarterback/fighter pilot attitudes.

NFL quarterbacks are a different breed, supremely confident, cocky almost. They were born to be quarterbacks and would never settle for playing another position.

Paxton Lynch's favorite position was RB and he only switched to QB because he was too tall to be a RB. He just doesnt seem to have the attitude that he will carry the team on his shoulders if he has too. It almost seems like he's good if everyone else is good. I may be wrong but thats what I sense.

Connor Cook doesnt have the physical gifts but hw seems more like the kind of guy that wanta to win at any cost.

The market is causing QB's to rise in value but hopefully Cook will still be there when thw 2nd rouns rolls around.

 

[Garrettop]

If Dallas isn't taking a QB at #4, I'm leaning towards Dak Prescott. He's got a Romoesque pocket presence, similar measurables. Better runner.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yes, I heard that interview. Phil Simms basically said that the only true 1st round QBs in this draft were Goff, Wentz, and Lynch. He said that he would take Cook in the 4th or 5th round and hope that he could develop into a back up and eventually a starter, but did not sound too optimistic that he was NFL starting material. Sounded like he did not think too much of Cook or Hackenberg.

I agree with Phil because I don't see what the fuss over Connor Cook is about. He seemed to get a bad rap for not being the team captain and when the smoke clears on stuff like that, then they start to go the other way and praise the player. He did play in more of a pro style offense at MSU, but the fact is that he didn't move the ball down the field well.

Hackenberg had a lot of hype going into PSU and after his freshman year. I don't see the arm that everybody raves about. I know Phil was a former QB and sometimes teach methods change. For instance, the way Steph Curry shoots the ball is more or less what is taught today and it's vastly different from how Larry Bird shot the ball. So maybe his interpretation of what Hackenberg was taught in terms of throwing the ball as incorrect. But, I didn't see that arm that everybody was talking about when it comes to Hackenberg and he made a lot of boneheaded throws. Sometimes coaches and scouts get caught up in the guy that can read defenses at an early age, but you still have to throw the ball well and throw it well under duress. I think it's a lot easier to learn NFL defenses than it is to learn how to throw the ball well.





YR

 

[Sydla]

If anyone really beleives that Tony Romo has a reasonable probability of being productive over the next two seasons then they need to wake up.

Romo has never been that big phyaical gyy able to take the punishment and now he is on the wrong side of mid thirties recovering from consecutive injuries to the same body part.

I love Tony but Ive seen this before with some pretty good QB's. Once you start collecting injuries late in your career the writing is on thw wall.

The Cowboys need their next franchise quarterback now and its not Lynch. Je doeant have that quarterback/fighter pilot attitudes.

NFL quarterbacks are a different breed, supremely confident, cocky almost. They were born to be quarterbacks and would never settle for playing another position.

Paxton Lynch's favorite position was RB and he only switched to QB because he was too tall to be a RB. He just doesnt seem to have the attitude that he will carry the team on his shoulders if he has too. It almost seems like he's good if everyone else is good. I may be wrong but thats what I sense.

Connor Cook doesnt have the physical gifts but hw seems more like the kind of guy that wanta to win at any cost.

The market is causing QB's to rise in value but hopefully Cook will still be there when thw 2nd rouns rolls around.

Cook in the 2nd round at 34 would be a disaster.

 

[Idgit]

If anyone really beleives that Tony Romo has a reasonable probability of being productive over the next two seasons then they need to wake up.

Romo has never been that big phyaical gyy able to take the punishment and now he is on the wrong side of mid thirties recovering from consecutive injuries to the same body part.

I love Tony but Ive seen this before with some pretty good QB's. Once you start collecting injuries late in your career the writing is on thw wall.

The Cowboys need their next franchise quarterback now and its not Lynch. Je doeant have that quarterback/fighter pilot attitudes.

NFL quarterbacks are a different breed, supremely confident, cocky almost. They were born to be quarterbacks and would never settle for playing another position.

Paxton Lynch's favorite position was RB and he only switched to QB because he was too tall to be a RB. He just doesnt seem to have the attitude that he will carry the team on his shoulders if he has too. It almost seems like he's good if everyone else is good. I may be wrong but thats what I sense.

Connor Cook doesnt have the physical gifts but hw seems more like the kind of guy that wanta to win at any cost.

The market is causing QB's to rise in value but hopefully Cook will still be there when thw 2nd rouns rolls around.

Depends on the player, depends on the injury. If it's chronic back problems, I'd agree with you. But the broken collarbones can happen to any QB, at any age. Romo may invite some of the hits that cause them by hanging onto the ball too long, but it's not like he's just got a weak skeleton compared to the other starting QBs in the league.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like Lynch over Cook but honestly, I like Cook. He was better in his Jr. year but I like the guy. I'd like to see his completion percentage a little higher but honestly, I didn't really love what I saw from the Spartan's WRs. They really don't get a lot of seperation and they did drop the ball a little too much IMO.

 

[DFWJC]

I still see Eagles, MAYBE moving up to 2, if Rams like Goff and not Wentz

So this years 1st, (no 2nd), 3rd, and 4th and next year's 1st ,2nd, and maybe 3rd.
Almost two whole drafts...sweet! Please do it!

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I'm going by what I saw in the Spartans versus Cornhuskers games the last couple of years. In those games, Cook looked really good. However, I haven't followed his full career. If he's a locker room cancer, I don't want him.

I wish I had seen more than highlights of Lynch. Maybe I can find a full game on Youtube.

 

[Sydla]

I like Lynch over Cook but honestly, I like Cook. He was better in his Jr. year but I like the guy. I'd like to see his completion percentage a little higher but honestly, I didn't really love what I saw from the Spartan's WRs. They really don't get a lot of seperation and they did drop the ball a little too much IMO.

Three years of sub 60% passing is kind of hard to ignore and blame on the MSU WRs.

And Cook was hit or miss in big games. He could look good in some (Oregon) and woeful in others (Iowa, Bama).

He's a 3rd round, maybe, or 4th round guy. Not at 34.

 

[erod]

If Dallas isn't taking a QB at #4, I'm leaning towards Dak Prescott. He's got a Romoesque pocket presence, similar measurables. Better runner.

Physical traits are almost meaningless.

Does he have Romo's brain, which rivals that of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Three years of sub 60% passing is kind of hard to ignore and blame on the MSU WRs.

And Cook was hit or miss in big games. He could look good in some (Oregon) and woeful in others (Iowa, Bama).

He's a 3rd round, maybe, or 4th round guy. Not at 34.

I didn't say where he should be drafted. I simply said that I like them both. I just like Lynch better.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I may be in the minority but if the Cowboys think Lynch can be potentially great, they need to take him if he is the only one (of the 1st-round QB prospects) left on the board at #4.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Physical traits are almost meaningless.

Does he have Romo's brain, which rivals that of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

I don't think so.

 

[Garrettop]

Physical traits are almost meaningless.

Does he have Romo's brain, which rivals that of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

No one knew Brady or Romo had the capabilities they had for some time. Peyton was more or less one of a kind. Kind of hard to judge that about any of these QBs at this point.

 

[LandryFan]

Both of those guys will go in the 1st round, To RICH at #4 or #15 but it will take at least a 2nd and 3rd to move back into the 1st round to snag one of these guys....IMO I would be talking with the Patriots about Jimmy Garoppolo.....I would trade them #34 and dont look back.

If Garoppolo is all that, why would the cheaters give him up for a 2nd round pick. They've had him for two years, so they should have a good idea of what he is. If they are willing to ship him for a second round pick, I have to be leery of what I'm getting. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, just trying to figure out if your proposal is feasible. On the surface, I don't see how it is, but I can be easily swayed.

 

[DBOY3141]

If Garoppolo is all that, why would the cheaters give him up for a 2nd round pick. They've had him for two years, so they should have a good idea of what he is. If they are willing to ship him for a second round pick, I have to be leery of what I'm getting. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, just trying to figure out if your proposal is feasible. On the surface, I don't see how it is, but I can be easily swayed.

I think because the Pats will soon lose him for nothing. Brady is signed for I think 4 more years. Garoppolo for 2, so they could be headed for a Brock Ossweiler situation. Someone will sign him, so Pats need to try and get something.