PC gone too far?

[theogt]

Only saying that black people need to leave is not racist. You don't even know why he thinks they should leave.

What a nuanced argument you weave, Bob. One can only sit in awe at your skill.

 

[bbgun]

It's funny that you're so eager to see it as a prank, but are trying to hide the racism. It completely ruins your argument. The two go hand in hand. If it's clear it was a prank, then it should be clear that it was racism. The kid may have been using racism as a joke or "prank," much like Dave Chapelle uses racism as a joke, but you can't have the joke or prank without the racism.

No, I simply have a much higher standard for what constitutes "racism." You, on the other hand, seem to have acquired the ability to stare into teenagers' souls and unilaterally declare them guilty of racial malice. I'd expect this kind of fascistic "thought crime" **** from dictatorial hellholes or banana republics, not a US state.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What a nuanced argument you weave, Bob. One can only sit in awe at your skill.

Or I am just simply pointing out that it may be just a prank. He may think racist jokes are funny but has no particular dislike for or feel no superiority over other races. That is possible, theo.

 

[theogt]

No, I simply have a much higher standard for what constitutes "racism." You, on the other hand, seem to have acquired the ability to stare into teenagers' souls and unilaterally declare them guilty of racial malice. I'd expect this kind of fascistic "thought crime" **** from dictatorial hellholes or banana republics, not a US state.

Here, let me try and explain what I said in more precise, simple terms: It's only a joke because it's racist. It's shock humor.

 

[rkell87]

It's funny that you're so eager to see it as a prank, but are trying to hide the racism. It completely ruins your argument. The two go hand in hand. If it's clear it was a prank, then it should be clear that it was racism. The kid may have been using racism as a joke or "prank," much like Dave Chapelle uses racism as a joke, but you can't have the joke or prank without the racism.

racism-–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races


discrimination-–noun 1. an act or instance of discriminating.

2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.

4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.


by definition what the boy did was not racism, it was discrimination

 

[theogt]

by definition what the boy did was not racism, it was discrimination

This should be easy to understand. Someone demands that all blacks leave. The obvious reason for such a demand is the preference for not being around blacks. The only possible reason for not wanting to be around blacks is racism.

Very simple stuff here. Perhaps the kid was joking. That doesn't make it not racist. It just makes it racist humor. Some people would probably rather it not be racism because they don't want to be considered racist when they make similar jokes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This should be easy to understand. Someone demands that all blacks leave. The obvious reason for such a demand is the preference for not being around blacks. The only possible reason for not wanting to be around blacks is racism.

Very simple stuff here.

Do you really believe he thought announcing blacks should leave would actually make all of them do so? He's 16, not 6.

 

[theogt]

Do you really believe he thought announcing blacks should leave would actually make all of them do so? He's 16, not 6.

Of course he didn't. His belief in that regard is irrelevant to the argument, however. Not sure why you'd even make the distinction.

 

[rkell87]

I'm not going to get into a debate about the law. The law is very clear in this regard. And you can find it online at the New Jersey legislature website.

the law is not clear if it was clear we wouldn't need lawyers.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course he didn't. His belief in that regard is irrelevant to the argument, however. Not sure why you'd even make the distinction.

You made that distinction by stating his personal preference. You made it's relevancy.

 

[bbgun]

racism-–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races


discrimination-–noun 1. an act or instance of discriminating.

2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.

4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.

by definition what the boy did was not racism, it was discrimination

It wasn't even that. It's not like he was an employee who refused blacks goods and services. Instead, he was a kid who made a spur of the moment decision that was in poor taste. Nobody, black or white, left the store because they knew the PA announcement to be absurd. The whole "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot, but irresistible to the racial grievance mongers and opportunistic litigators.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It wasn't even that. It's not like he was an employee who refused blacks goods and services. Instead, he was a kid who made a spur of the moment decision that was in poor taste. Nobody, black or white, left the store because they knew the PA announcement to be absurd. The whole "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot, but irresistible to the racial grievance mongers and opportunistic litigators.

Well it is discrimination because he singled out a group of people and told them to leave.

Yes, I believe it was a prank.

 

[rkell87]

This should be easy to understand. Someone demands that all blacks leave. The obvious reason for such a demand is the preference for not being around blacks. The only possible reason for not wanting to be around blacks is racism.

Very simple stuff here. Perhaps the kid was joking. That doesn't make it not racist. It just makes it racist humor. Some people would probably rather it not be racism because they don't want to be considered racist when they make similar jokes.

or to be funny or to get a rise out of people or to see the look on peoples face or he has a vendetta against walmart and wants to cause a headache for them.

not everything is black and white, ahm, so to speak

 

[theogt]

the law is not clear if it was clear we wouldn't need lawyers.

Oh, brother. It's should be clear to any person that can read and has an above 80 IQ.

You made that distinction by stating his personal preferences. You made it's relevancy.

I pointed out the obvious reason for making the statement. Whether he thought the statement would satisfy his underlying desire is irrelevant.

Keep up, please.

It wasn't even that. It's not like he was an employee who refused blacks goods and services. Instead, he was a kid who made a spur of the moment decision that was in poor taste. Nobody, black or white, left the store because they knew the PA announcement to be absurd. The whole "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot.

Ironic statement given that the only people sturring up the tempest are the anti-PC types. He was charged with a very minor offense.

 

[theogt]

or to be funny or to get a rise out of people or to see the look on peoples face or he has a vendetta against walmart and wants to cause a headache for them.

not everything is black and white, ahm, so to speak

It's only funny or "get a rise out of people" because it's shocking. The reason it's shocking is that it's obviously racist and out of place. Whether the kid himself is in fact a racist is not in question. No one ever made such a claim.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I pointed out the obvious reason for making the statement. Whether he thought the statement would satisfy his underlying desire is irrelevant.

Keep up, please.

Not really as in order to be racist there must be an underlying, illogical reason.

Racism is a state of mind.

 

[rkell87]

It wasn't even that. It's not like he was an employee who refused blacks goods and services. Instead, he was a kid who made a spur of the moment decision that was in poor taste. Nobody, black or white, left the store because they knew the PA announcement to be absurd. The whole "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot, but irresistible to the racial grievance mongers and opportunistic litigators.

you are right but it still is discrimination, even if he just pointed to a random person and asked them to leave it is discrimination.

 

[theogt]

Not really as in order to be racist there must be an underlying reason.

Racism is a state of mind.

You're so completely lost as to what I'm saying. Just please stop and read more slowly and follow the logic of the conversation. It becomes increasingly difficult to hold a conversation with you because you're all over the place and don't actually read what the person is saying.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seriously guys arguing with him is pointless. He will not admit he could even possibly be wrong no matter what. If you like repeating yourself over and over again go for it.

I just realized that he fits this description very well and put him on ignore.

Definition
By Mayo Clinic staff
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

 

[theogt]

you are right but it still is discrimination, even if he just pointed to a random person and asked them to leave it is discrimination.

And when discrimination is based on race and is intended to "put down" one race, it's racism.