Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

[Cajuncowboy]

I can't believe there are still people that are defending Penn St.

Unbelieveblae

Hey Ranger...This is your post. Your words. Post 1048.

You can't believe people are defending PENN STATE. Not Paterno. not Sandusky. Not any of the individuals.

THAT is what you and I are discussing.

In saying that with relation to the content of the thread, that post indicates that the defense of Penn State as a university is, to quote you. "Unbelievable".

And now you are saying THAT is not what you said.

Well, if you can read, it's there for anyone to see.

Maybe you should be more specific about what is "unbelievable".

This would be a good time to revise your remarks.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Hey Ranger...This is your post. Your words. Post 1048.

You can't believe people are defending PENN STATE. Not Paterno. not Sandusky. Not any of the individuals.

THAT is what you and I are discussing.

In saying that with relation to the content of the thread, that post indicates that the defense of Penn State as a university is, to quote you. "Unbelievable".

And now you are saying THAT is not what you said.

Well, if you can read, it's there for anyone to see.

Maybe you should be more specific about what is "unbelievable".

This would be a good time to revise your remarks.

The title of the thread is "Penn St. Sex Abuse Scandal", so my statement was in relation to that "content of the thread".

So when I say Penn St., I mean the entire Penn St. Sex Abuse Scandal. When I say Penn St. I mean Sandusky, Paterno, McQueary and whoever else had a slight inkling that their "ol' buddy Jerry had a thing for little boys". <wink wink>

I believe others knew.

How, from my one-line quote do you get that I am crying for blood, where did I blame the innocent?

Why did you blast me and my avatar for that?

Look, .. Penn St. has taken a huge hit to their reputation over this scandal, .. they will have a noticeable black eye for quite a while I'm guessing.

Most Penn St. fans that I know are embarassed by all of this negative, ugly publicity.

So yes, it is hard for me to understand how some continue to go to bat for anything in the same universe with child abuse.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The title of the thread is "Penn St. Sex Abuse Scandal", so my statement was in relation to that "content of the thread".

So when I say Penn St., I mean the entire Penn St. Sex Abuse Scandal. When I say Penn St. I mean Sandusky, Paterno, McQueary and whoever else had a slight inkling that their "ol' buddy Jerry had a thing for little boys". <wink wink>

I believe others knew.

How, from my one-line quote do you get that I am crying for blood, where did I blame the innocent?

Why did you blast me and my avatar for that?

Look, .. Penn St. has taken a huge hit to their reputation over this scandal, .. they will have a noticeable black eye for quite a while I'm guessing.

Most Penn St. fans that I know are embarassed by all of this negative, ugly publicity.

So yes, it is hard for me to understand how some continue to go to bat for anything in the same universe with child abuse.

1,048 posts in and this thread has gone in many different directions. The primary discussion as of late had been regarding Penn State and cancelling games, seasons, etc.

Then you say "Defending Penn State.

You don't see how that could be construed as meaning, I don't know..."Penn State"?

Of course we are embarrassed by it. Who in their right mind wouldn't be. But that doesn't mean you don't defend the university at large, since it was only a few people involved in the coverup.

Now if by Penn State you meant those involved, then I don't know where you got the idea ANYONE was defending THEM.

Either way, I will apologize if you can point to a specific post, as I have done, to show where someone has defended ANYONE who has been involved.

As for your avatar, I loved the Lone Ranger as a kid. I just thought it was odd that someone who held his ideals in the same regard as I would think that it would be ok to impugn the entire university for the crimes of a few.

And post 1064 indicates that since you thought there would be more and more and more people involved, that defending Penn State was unbelievable.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Either way, I will apologize if you can point to a specific post, as I have done, to show where someone has defended ANYONE who has been involved.

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about this because we will never agree.

Let me explain where I am coming from on this.

I have a younger brother, I was 9 when he was born so he was always "little" to me.

I raised two sons. I now have a 13 month old grandson.

I have coached literally hundreds and hundreds of little boys over the past 20 years between the ages of 9 and 15.

I have been blessed to know, and influence so many great kids.

My little brother, my boys, my grandson and every one of those little guys that I have been fortunate enough to be around are absolutely precious to me.

I can't fathom what Sandusky did. I would pull the switch if he got the chair.

Every so often, for just a split second, I imagine what it would be like to be a little boy and have a grown man pin me against a wall and anal rape me against my will, or worse yet one of the little guys I have coached and helped raise.

I get a lump in my throat, and could easily tear up.

So all I can think about is all of these little victims, ... I could care less about Penn St, their administration, their coaches, their university, the program, some bowl game, their reputation.

I'm tired of seeing post after post where PSU is all that is being discussed.

That is what I meant was unbelieveable.

And post 1064 indicates that since you thought there would be more and more and more people involved, that defending Penn State was unbelievable.

I do think more people knew, .. we will never know everyone who knew something. And anybody that turned their head on this in any small way was responsible.

Peace.

 

[bbgun]

Cajun, are you a PSU alum?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about this because we will never agree.

Let me explain where I am coming from on this.

I have a younger brother, I was 9 when he was born so he was always "little" to me.

I raised two sons. I now have a 13 month old grandson.

I have coached literally hundreds and hundreds of little boys over the past 20 years between the ages of 9 and 15.

I have been blessed to know, and influence so many great kids.

My little brother, my boys, my grandson and every one of those little guys that I have been fortunate enough to be around are absolutely precious to me.

I can't fathom what Sandusky did. I would pull the switch if he got the chair.

Every so often, for just a split second, I imagine what it would be like to be a little boy and have a grown man pin me against a wall and anal rape me against my will, or worse yet one of the little guys I have coached and helped raise.

I get a lump in my throat, and could easily tear up.

Not a single thing there that I disagree on. I feel the same way. I too have coached football at the Pop Warner level, Jr. High and High school level. I get what you are saying.

So all I can think about is all of these little victims, ... I could care less about Penn St, their administration, their coaches, their university, the program, some bowl game, their reputation.

I guess that's where we part company. I don't believe in vengeance against people who did nothing. I am simply defending the university as a whole because as much as I want justice to be served on the one who did the despicable act and those who covered it up, I also will defend the ones who are innocent. They do not deserve to be lumped in with the others. It's that simple.

I'm tired of seeing post after post where PSU is all that is being discussed.

That is what I meant was unbelieveable.

Well, reading it you said defending Penn State was unbelievable. Not discussing Penn State. And I as much as agreed with the idea of Penn State being discussed in that there is more vitriol directed at them as opposed to those involved. Which isn't fair. And that seems to be what you are trying to say.

I do think more people knew, .. we will never know everyone who knew something. And anybody that turned their head on this in any small way was responsible.

I agree. We won't know everything about this. It's unfortunate. But at least on thing is for sure, we will have justice served on those culpable as it should be.

Peace.

To you as well.

 

[Stautner]

OK, .. that is such a ridiculous post, I'm not even going to comment on anything so silly.

Let me refresh your memory on my words that you quoted and responded to:

Second, the university allowed Sandusky to use the facilities, and Sandusky raped at least one child in those facilites. That does not equate, as you suggest, to the university knowingly allowing him to use the facilities for the purpose of raping children.


So, if you aren't saying the university did knowingly allow Sandusky use of the facilities for the express purpose of raping young boys, please tell me what part of my remark it is that you disagreed with. Was it just a mindless comment and you just have a general problem with anyone who doesn't support any negative comment about Penn State regardless of whether that comment has any foundation in truth or logic?

Just stand back and look at what we now know that we did not know a month ago.

I have read stories that have involved the Gov., the Attorney General, Penn St. officials, the Second Mile officials, the head football coach, assistant coach, graduate assistant. We just keep hearing more, it just keeps getting worse and worse, darker and darker.

At some point people just need to stop standing up on a soapbox and defending Penn State.

Please, just sit back in disbelief with the rest of us as we continue to ask ourselves, .. "how in the world could this have ever been allowed to happen?"

Great, you've "heard stories". Credible stories? Evidence? Reputable sources? Corroborated stories?

Forget all that! There are rumors, so why wait around for verification or a full investigation when we can get it over with and proclaim everyone guilty of the worst possible scenario? That better satisfies our need for vengeance anyway!

For all we know every coach, player, administrator, the board of regents, a slew of state senators and the Governor were all involved in the cover-up, and many may have been involved in a sex-slave ring involving young boys. After all, if we don't know they weren't all involved, logic dictates they were involved, right?

Besides, the media has never been known to print false rumors or cut corners in investigations in order to sell their product.

 

[Stautner]

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you about this because we will never agree.

Let me explain where I am coming from on this.

I have a younger brother, I was 9 when he was born so he was always "little" to me.

I raised two sons. I now have a 13 month old grandson.

I have coached literally hundreds and hundreds of little boys over the past 20 years between the ages of 9 and 15.

I have been blessed to know, and influence so many great kids.

My little brother, my boys, my grandson and every one of those little guys that I have been fortunate enough to be around are absolutely precious to me.

I can't fathom what Sandusky did. I would pull the switch if he got the chair.

Every so often, for just a split second, I imagine what it would be like to be a little boy and have a grown man pin me against a wall and anal rape me against my will, or worse yet one of the little guys I have coached and helped raise.

I get a lump in my throat, and could easily tear up.

So all I can think about is all of these little victims, ... I could care less about Penn St, their administration, their coaches, their university, the program, some bowl game, their reputation.

I'm tired of seeing post after post where PSU is all that is being discussed.

That is what I meant was unbelieveable.



I do think more people knew, .. we will never know everyone who knew something. And anybody that turned their head on this in any small way was responsible.

Peace.

I appreciate this, but what I don't think you realize is a lot of us have similar stories. I'm just looking at this a step further down the line.

Suppose you coaches in a youth league and it turned out a couple of the coaches in the youth league were molesting their players. The newspaper then questioned the entire youth league, and rumors started floating around about it being a leaguewide problem and that their may have been a collusion between the coaches to sell the players to perverts for sex.

You, of course, were completely innocent, yet as a result you had your reputation destroyed, your picture was printed in the newspaper, your employer fired you ......

This is the crap I'm talking about. There are very definitely guilty parties, but it is VERY reckless and immoral if you ask me to start smearing everyone's nam based on rumors.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Let me refresh your memory on my words that you quoted and responded to:

You and CajunCowboy both need to slow down and get a grip, .. like I told him you are losing your mind over this.

You were responding to JBond, not me.

Both of you seem to be accusing me of things that others are saying and doing.

I have never accused the innocent, or suggested that PS not play games, or not accept a bowl bid, or shut down the program, or anything like that.

Others may have, but I haven't.

I'm just saying this whole thing is not about PSU, it is about little boys being raped.

All you two are talking about is how it affects PS. I don't care about PS right now.

I only care about the victims lives.

 

[Stautner]

You and CajunCowboy both need to slow down and get a grip, .. like I told him you are losing your mind over this.

You were responding to JBond, not me.

Both of you seem to be accusing me of things that others are saying and doing.

I have never accused the innocent, or suggested that PS not play games, or not accept a bowl bid, or shut down the program, or anything like that.

Others may have, but I haven't.

I'm just saying this whole thing is not about PSU, it is about little boys being raped.

All you two are talking about is how it affects PS. I don't care about PS right now.

I only care about the victims lives.

No, I was responding to you. Look at the posts I quoted in my responses - they were your posts. It was you that quoted me and made the comment that you can't believe people are still defending Penn State, and it was you who quoted me and said I wrote a ridiculous post. Apparently you are getting confused to the point you don't even know what you posted yourself.

If you are going to talk down specific things I posted, you should at least know what it is you disagreed with. Again, tell me what you disagreed with in this post:

Second, the university allowed Sandusky to use the facilities, and Sandusky raped at least one child in those facilites. That does not equate, as you suggest, to the university knowingly allowing him to use the facilities for the purpose of raping children.

You indicated this amounted to "defending Penn State". Tell me how. You said it, so surely you know why you said it.

We all know it's about little boys. Nobody has said otherwise. None of us have said that those responsible for the crime or covering it up are innocents, we are saying that there are innocents and that hurting more innocent people doesn't help those little boys. The apparent notion that it is appropriate to buy into every rumor, no matter how wild or unsubstantiated, and to villify every person associated with Penn State and Penn State football is ridiculous.

Look at your post above and what I put in bold. This statement is EXACTLY what I am saying. This is an issue about little boys being hurt, and the man that hurt them, and the individuals that could have stopped it from happening again. In other words, this is not about a football program.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Look what you quoted. Do you really believe that when Sandusky was given access to the facilities it was done for the express purpose of giving him a place to rape young boys. Is that really what you think the school and Paterno had in mind?

How do you think this happened?

SANDUSKY: Joe, my old buddy, I need a place to rape young boys. Is it okay if I have access to the athletic facilities so I can do that"?

PATERNO: It's okay with me, but let me check with the AD.

Next Day .....

PATERNO: Hey, I checked with the AD, and he checked with the President and the Board of Regents, and they all approved giving you access to the football facilities so you can rape young boys.

SANDUSKY: Thanks Joe, I knew I could count on you!.

You asked me if I thought this happened. That was a stupid question, if you were serious.

My point is this, .. little boys lives were changed forever in ugly, dark ways.

Picture any little boy you know living through this.

With that in mind, .. why are we discussing Penn St.?

What bad happened to Penn St.?

They lost a coach. Big deal.

Why are we still talking about Penn St.? This is not about Penn St.

But that's all you and CC are ate up with.

I don't care about Penn St. That's what I meant when I said I can't believe for some that that is all they want to talk about.

Where this happened is not the issue, .. that it happened to little boys is the issue.

That is what we should be talking about, not some football program or their reputation.

Why should we care about how Penn St. is doing while little boys souls were crushed?

 

[Stautner]

You asked me if I thought this happened. That was a stupid question, if you were serious.

My point is this, .. little boys lives were changed forever in ugly, dark ways.

Picture any little boy you know living through this.

With that in mind, .. why are we discussing Penn St.?

What bad happened to Penn St.?

They lost a coach. Big deal.

Why are we still talking about Penn St.? This is not about Penn St.

But that's all you and CC are ate up with.

I don't care about Penn St. That's what I meant when I said I can't believe for some that that is all they want to talk about.

Where this happened is not the issue, .. that it happened to little boys is the issue.

That is what we should be talking about, not some football program or their reputation.

Why should we care about how Penn St. is doing while little boys souls were crushed?

Yes, I asked if you thought this happened. That was sarcasm, and a pretty blatant example of it. Shouldn't have been so hard to see, but the point of it was to draw out of you what you meant when you said I was defending Penn State by saying the following:

Second, the university allowed Sandusky to use the facilities, and Sandusky raped at least one child in those facilites. That does not equate, as you suggest, to the university knowingly allowing him to use the facilities for the purpose of raping children.

Now, here we are multiple posts later and you apparently still have no idea what you you disagreed with in this statement.

As for this being about the little boys that were harmed, you keep throwing that out as if I am suggesting otherwise, and that's just blatently false. It is possible to understand the focus is the little boys that got hurt, and at the same time understand that hurting other innocent people does not help those little boys. You seem more interested in a swift response to what happened than a fair and accurate one, and that's not justice for those boys. You seem to think that because those boys were hurt that makes it okay to harm and possibly destroy the lives of other people without any evidence of wrongdoing. That, my friend is crap, because as tragic as what happened to those boys was, and as important as it is to get justice for those boys, to suggest that makes it okay to hurt a lot of other innocent people is hogwash.

As for what I am eaten up with, it's not Penn State, it's on dealing with the issue appropriately. If there were proof that a coverup was widespread throughout the football program, then I would be all for coming down on the football program. If there were proof that the governor covered it up, I would be all for ousting him from office in disgrace and bringing criminal charges against him. The difference between you and me is that I am talking about acting in accordance with the facts, and you are advocating acting in accordance with rumors and innuendo and going after people not because there is evidence they did anything, but based on the notion that we have to go after everyone now and we will worry about whether it was justified later.

 

[WV Cowboy]

hurting other innocent people does not help those little boys. You seem more interested in a swift response to what happened than a fair and accurate one, and that's not justice for those boys. You seem to think that because those boys were hurt that makes it okay to harm and possibly destroy the lives of other people without any evidence of wrongdoing. That, my friend is crap, because as tragic as what happened to those boys was, and as important as it is to get justice for those boys, to suggest that makes it okay to hurt a lot of other innocent people is hogwash.

The difference between you and me is that I am talking about acting in accordance with the facts, and you are advocating acting in accordance with rumors and innuendo and going after people not because there is evidence they did anything, but based on the notion that we have to go after everyone now and we will worry about whether it was justified later.

Show me anywhere where I have suggested anything in bold.

But once again, your main focus is on Penn St. people.

 

[Stautner]

Show me anywhere where I have suggested anything in bold.

But once again, your main focus is on Penn St. people.

Wow, are you deluded. You consistently disagree with me when I discuss not holding people responsible that we don't know to have any involvement, and you defend this by specifically referring to rumors of the involvement of all sorts of people, and when this is all brought up you say "Who Me". A few posts ago you even claimed I had posted in response to JBall and not you, when the specific posts actually quoted your posts and specifically referred to your words. Apparently you get confused very easily.


As for talking about Penn State, you need to use a little common sense. We are discussing and ASPECT of the situation - what started this line of discussion was the question of how the football program should be punished. Discussing one ASPECT of the situation doesn't mean that you think that ASPECT is more important than the young boys, and you are ridiculously off base to suggest it does. The reality is there is no point of disagreement about the boys - everyone thinks Sandusky and those who covered it up should be punished. Accordingly the discussion goes to ASPECTS that not everyone agrees on.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Show me anywhere where I have suggested anything in bold.

I knew you couldn't.

Wow, are you deluded. You consistently disagree with me when I discuss not holding people responsible that we don't know to have any involvement,

Deluded? I have never said anyone without involvement should be held responsible.

A few posts ago you even claimed I had posted in response to JBall and not you, when the specific posts actually quoted your posts and specifically referred to your words. Apparently you get confused very easily.

In post 1036 you had me confused with someone else. (maybe you still do)
I have never mentioned the death penalty, NCAA sanctions against Penn St., restrictions on scholarships or bowl games or anything else.

In posts 1045 and 1047 you were responding to JBond. (not JBall)

I commented on part of your post 1047 to JBond. Your post specifically was no big deal to me, it was just the straw that broke the camels back as I grew tired with the line of thinking that this is all about Penn St. ... It is not.

As for talking about Penn State, you need to use a little common sense. We are discussing and ASPECT of the situation - what started this line of discussion was the question of how the football program should be punished.

I have never said how I felt the program or anyone else should be punished.

(except maybe Sandusky)

 

[Stautner]

Please, just sit back in disbelief with the rest of us as we continue to ask ourselves, .. "how in the world could this have ever been allowed to happen?"[/quote]

I knew you couldn't.



Deluded? I have never said anyone without involvement should be held responsible.



In post 1036 you had me confused with someone else. (maybe you still do)
I have never mentioned the death penalty, NCAA sanctions against Penn St., restrictions on scholarships or bowl games or anything else.

In posts 1045 and 1047 you were responding to JBond. (not JBall)

I commented on part of your post 1047 to JBond. Your post specifically was no big deal to me, it was just the straw that broke the camels back as I grew tired with the line of thinking that this is all about Penn St. ... It is not.



I have never said how I felt the program or anyone else should be punished.

(except maybe Sandusky)

Wow, maybe I'm looking at you the wrong way. I assumed when you jumped into an existing conversation about the death penalty and punishing people other than who we know to be guilty of a crime or coverup you were capable of understanding the conversation you were jumping into. Everything I have said is based on the simple premise that we should only punish those that we know are guilty of something, and not punish those that knew nothing, and I assumed you were capable of responding to me based on what I have said.

It begs the question what in the hell did you think we were talking about when you jumped into the conversation, and what is it that you are claiming to disagree with me about? Hell, I've asked several times what it is you found objectionable about the post you quoted and responded to by saying you can't believe people are still defending Penn State, and here we are 2 days later and it appears you still have no clue what you were objecting to.

Are you are telling me you mindlessly jumped into an existing discussion and opposed my words without having a clue in the world what we were talking about, and that you claimed to have an objection to my words that you quoted without knowing what in those words you found objectionable?

And, of course, you claimed I wasn't responding to you even when I directly quoted your posts and directly referred to your words, and now it appears you don't recall supporting your disagreement with me (even though you don't know what it is you disagree with) by discussing all the people that are rumored to be involved.

I'm baffled. Maybe we just need to start over because it appears you didn't know anything about the discussion you jumped in the middle of.

 

[TheDude]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1



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http://www.yorkdispatch.com/sports/ci_19390474

"I didn't think the game should have been played," Pelini said with surprising candor. "I look at my job as a football coach to educate and prepare the kids that come into the program for the rest of their life. I thought that this game gave us an opportunity to show that the situation going on is bigger than football."

Remember, Pelini had just defeated Penn State on the road, but he was troubled enough by the decision to play the game that he broke the unwritten "code" and publicly questioned decision-makers at a rival school.

"I don't know the specifics of the situation, and I am not judging anybody," Pelini said. "But the fact is, young kids were hurt, and that's a crime in itself. It is a lot bigger than football, the NCAA, the Big Ten and anything else. I just think it is about the young kids. I've got a 12-year-old boy. It's not about the adults, football or anything else. I think that gets lost in the whole situation."

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Well, my respect for Bo Pellini shot up dramatically.

I think what he said is what so many Penn State fans have missed throughout this scandal. Football in itself, really isn't that important. If Penn State were to win the national championship 5 years in a row, it still would not affect the lives of 99% of the people in the world.

But, it's the things that can be taught to players in order to be successful that can impact their lives and other people's lives down the road. Teamwork, perseverance, work ethic, dedication, honesty, integrity, mental toughness, physical toughness, etc.

If we're just worried about having a great program and having great football games on Saturday, we are missing the point of athletics as a society.








YR

 

[WV Cowboy]

Wow, maybe I'm looking at you the wrong way. I assumed when you jumped into an existing conversation about the death penalty and punishing people other than who we know to be guilty of a crime or coverup you were capable of understanding the conversation you were jumping into.

I guess I was looking at you the wrong way too. I assumed you would actually read my posts and see that I was not talking about the death penalty or punishing people other than those who we know to be guilty of a crime or coverup. I never have. And yet you still say I have.

I don't live on this board, and I don't read every post in every thread. Maybe you should actually read what I have posted to see if/where I disagreed with you.

I haven't given my opinion on who should be punished and what should happen to them, .. so how could I have opposed you or disagreed with you?

So now you find out that yours is not the only conversation on the message board, .. and it's not always about you after all. That must be a bummer.

Everything I have said is based on the simple premise that we should only
punish those that we know are guilty of something, and not punish those that knew nothing, ..

I have not said anything any different than that.

I have not opposed your posts, I only wondered why for some the whole focus has been on Penn St.

For me this is not about Penn St.

Now I am finding out that you mindlessly jumped into an existing discussion and opposed my words without having a clue in the world about the context of the discussion, the context of my post that you were opposing, or even why you opposed it. I have asked you several times what you found objectionable about the post you quoted and responded to by saying you can't believe people are still defending Penn State, and here we are 2 days later and you still have no clue what you were objecting to.

Like I said, your post was no big deal to me, I don't take you as seriously as you do.
It was just the last straw.

And, of course, you claimed I wasn't responding to you even when I quoted your posts and refered directly to your words.

I don't think I claimed you weren't responding to me ever, I was just pointing out the times you were responding to JBond. I even gave you the post numbers.

Tell me what it is you were talking about, and what you are opposed to that I have said? You claim to disagree with me, but about what?

I never said I disagree with you, .. I don't care enough.
I seem to have hit a nerve with you, .. so trust me, I'll be sure to think twice about jumping in on one of "your threads" in the futrue.

 

[WV Cowboy]

"I didn't think the game should have been played," Pelini said with surprising candor. "I look at my job as a football coach to educate and prepare the kids that come into the program for the rest of their life. I thought that this game gave us an opportunity to show that the situation going on is bigger than football."

Remember, Pelini had just defeated Penn State on the road, but he was troubled enough by the decision to play the game that he broke the unwritten "code" and publicly questioned decision-makers at a rival school.

"I don't know the specifics of the situation, and I am not judging anybody," Pelini said. "But the fact is, young kids were hurt, and that's a crime in itself. It is a lot bigger than football, the NCAA, the Big Ten and anything else. I just think it is about the young kids. I've got a 12-year-old boy. It's not about the adults, football or anything else. I think that gets lost in the whole situation."

Well, my respect for Bo Pellini shot up dramatically.

I think what he said is what so many Penn State fans have missed throughout this scandal. Football in itself, really isn't that important. If Penn State were to win the national championship 5 years in a row, it still would not affect the lives of 99% of the people in the world.

But, it's the things that can be taught to players in order to be successful that can impact their lives and other people's lives down the road. Teamwork, perseverance, work ethic, dedication, honesty, integrity, mental toughness, physical toughness, etc.

If we're just worried about having a great program and having great football games on Saturday, we are missing the point of athletics as a society.

Not all see it this way unfortunately.