Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

[Yakuza Rich]

The MAJOR fault with Paterno is that he knew about the 1998 and 2002 incident and Sandusky was never removed from the campus, the football program, or the football camp for kids.

As bad as not going to the police and not following up is...allowing Sandusky to continue to have full access to the campus, the football program and to continue coaching the camp is mind blowing.

Paterno could have gone to the police and the police may not have had enough evidence to legally arrest Sandusky.

But, in the world of Penn State football, he has ALL of the authority.

Sandusky's continued presence with the program after '98 and '02 is the biggest indictment against Paterno's actions.









YR

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Joe was told by a grad student that his longtime friend was doing something sexual with a little boy one time.

He went straight to his superior with the news and a meeting was arrainged the next day between his superior and the student and Joe was told by his superior it was being taken care of.

Should he have gone to the police first? Yes.

But he told university officials right away, even though it was his longtime friend who was being accused.

The only fault Joe has right now in my mind is that he went to university officials instead of the police. How should he have known that they would do nothing? All of them?

Even if he had told police, who's to say they would do anything about it?

Would you all still condemn him if he had told police and they had done nothing about it again?

Why didn't Paterno follow up? Why didn't he ban him from practice/football buildings/campus? Sandusky was there LAST WEEK. There's no excuse for that and that's on the President, AD and PATERNO.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

The DA only knew about the 1 incident in 1998. And they may have had their reasons for *legally* not being able to indict Sandusky.

However, Penn State allowed Sandusky to continue to stay on campus and have FULL ACCESS to the facilities AND allowed him to continue to bring young boys to the campus for 4 more years.

Then in 2002, he was caught raping a 10 year old boy and Penn State knew about it, but the police did not.

And the 'punishment' was that Sandusky was allowed to STAY ON CAMPUS, but he couldn't bring young boys with him. And apparently he violated THAT in 2007 with bringing another child to a game.

AND THEY STILL ALLOWED HIM TO STAY ON CAMPUS AND RUN FOOTBALL CAMPS UNTIL 2010.

Anybody blaming the DA for not being able to indict Sandusky in 1998, when we don't know if he had the evidence to legally prosecute and passing the blame from Paterno is ridiculous.

It's two completely different circumstances.

YR

See, this is the ridiculous statment. Law enforcement and state officials knew as far back as 1998 of an incident of a sexual nature with a man who founded a charity that puts him in close contact with young boys all the time, and a young boy!

Yet all those years they never thought to look into the incident? Even if they couldn't charge him at the time "legally", that doesn't matter one damn bit.

Also, you saying that im trying to pass the blame "from Paterno to the DA" is nothing but silly bs too. ITS NOT JOE PA'S BLAME TO BEGIN WITH.

He's not the one who decides to let Sandusky stay around campus or not! He's not the athletic director, he's not the president of the university, he's the football coach, and from the time he heard about the incident on, he had no professional relationship with the man at all. He wasn't on the football staff, and from what it sounds, he had cut ties with Sandusky after telling him he'd never be the head coach at Penn State. Yet you continue to act like its Paterno who let him stay around campus and facilitated Sandusky doing the things that he did, when all of that is complete garbage.

 

[Concord]

Who in a million years would have thought that Tressel and Paterno would lose their jobs in the same year?

Not a Soul

 

[trickblue]

Why didn't Paterno follow up? Why didn't he ban him from practice/football buildings/campus? Sandusky was there LAST WEEK. There's no excuse for that and that's on the President, AD and PATERNO.

Add to that... Penn State message boards have known this is coming since March. Over the weekend, I read several threads started 8 months ago saying this was coming, they just didn't know when...

Hard for me to believe University Officials didn't know...

Sundusky also called the Co-Author of his book in April telling him this was coming...

btw... for those of you that didn't know, Sandusky's book is available on Amazon... the title?

 

[Concord]

The MAJOR fault with Paterno is that he knew about the 1998 and 2002 incident and Sandusky was never removed from the campus, the football program, or the football camp for kids.

As bad as not going to the police and not following up is...allowing Sandusky to continue to have full access to the campus, the football program and to continue coaching the camp is mind blowing.

Paterno could have gone to the police and the police may not have had enough evidence to legally arrest Sandusky.

But, in the world of Penn State football, he has ALL of the authority.

Sandusky's continued presence with the program after '98 and '02 is the biggest indictment against Paterno's actions.




YR

Report: Sandusky on campus last week


Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky had access to the team's weight room as recently as last week, a person familiar with the situation said a just hours before Joe Paterno was to gave his first news conference since his former protege was charged with child sex abuse...


http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...ky-was-on-campus-last-week-working-out-110811

 

[Yakuza Rich]

See, this is the ridiculous statment. Law enforcement and state officials knew as far back as 1998 of an incident of a sexual nature with a man who founded a charity that puts him in close contact with young boys all the time, and a young boy!

Yet all those years they never thought to look into the incident? Even if they couldn't charge him at the time "legally", that doesn't matter one damn bit.

It's not ridiculous.

The police LEGALLY CANNOT follow Sandusky's every move when the DA has decided that he cannot indict him.

I'm guessing the DA thought the phone call from the boy to Sandusky wasn't strong enough to indict him and they probably had no physical evidence at the time.

Also, you saying that im trying to pass the blame "from Paterno to the DA" is nothing but silly bs too. ITS NOT JOE PA'S BLAME TO BEGIN WITH.

He's not the one who decides to let Sandusky stay around campus or not! He's not the athletic director, he's not the president of the university, he's the football coach, and from the time he heard about the incident on, he had no professional relationship with the man at all.

Wow.

If you really believe this, then you are the biggest blind lemming for Paterno out there.

Congrats, that's a wonderful tat to have.








YR

 

[RoyTheHammer]

why can't we condem them all?

You can.. and should. Yet, all i see in this thread from most is how Joe Pa knew Sandusky was a kiddie raper and knew everything he was doing behind closed doors for years and was Sandusky's booking agent for little boys to be raped.

Joe Paterno's only mistake was that the one incident he was informed of by a student, that he didn't see, he told the wrong officials. It was a mistake, but what he's being accused of goes far beyond that. I don't believe for one second he knew Sandusky was raping little boys or anything close to that. There's no evidence or information to suggest that at all, no matter how hard some want to try to create it.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

See, this is the ridiculous statment. Law enforcement and state officials knew as far back as 1998 of an incident of a sexual nature with a man who founded a charity that puts him in close contact with young boys all the time, and a young boy!

Yet all those years they never thought to look into the incident? Even if they couldn't charge him at the time "legally", that doesn't matter one damn bit.

Also, you saying that im trying to pass the blame "from Paterno to the DA" is nothing but silly bs too. ITS NOT JOE PA'S BLAME TO BEGIN WITH.

He's not the one who decides to let Sandusky stay around campus or not! He's not the athletic director, he's not the president of the university, he's the football coach, and from the time he heard about the incident on, he had no professional relationship with the man at all. He wasn't on the football staff, and from what it sounds, he had cut ties with Sandusky after telling him he'd never be the head coach at Penn State. Yet you continue to act like its Paterno who let him stay around campus and facilitated Sandusky doing the things that he did, when all of that is complete garbage.

With all due respect, you have your head buried in the sand. Paterno is arguably the most powerful figure on the Penn State campus. If Paterno wants someone banned from campus they're banned from campus. Nobody is going to tell him no.

There's an amusing story that people around State College know from earlier in the decade. Curley and Spanier went to Paterno's house to talk about making a head coaching change because the team was underperforming. Paterno basically told them to piss off and they left with their tails between their legs.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It's not ridiculous.

The police LEGALLY CANNOT follow Sandusky's every move when the DA has decided that he cannot indict him.

I'm guessing the DA thought the phone call from the boy to Sandusky wasn't strong enough to indict him and they probably had no physical evidence at the time.


Wow.

If you really believe this, then you are the biggest blind lemming for Paterno out there.

Congrats, that's a wonderful tat to have.








YR

I really couldn't care less what you believe. Joe Pa is the football coach. Sandusky wasn't on the staff. He is in no position to ban the man from the entire campus. He wasn't involved in any aspect of the Penn State football program.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

With all due respect, you have your head buried in the sand. Paterno is arguably the most powerful figure on the Penn State campus. If Paterno wants someone banned from campus they're banned from campus. Nobody is going to tell him no.

There's an amusing story that people around State College know from earlier in the decade. Curley and Spanier went to Paterno's house to talk about making a head coaching change because the team was underperforming. Paterno basically told them to piss off and they left with their tails between their legs.

Im well aware of that story, and its merit. However, the two things arn't related as much as people from outside of the area think they are.

Paterno is a powerful figure, but he doesn't get to do whatever the hell he wants without the approval of the board or University President. He controls the football program as much as he wants, but situations not involving the football program arn't his to control in whatever way he sees fit.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Im well aware of that story, and its merit. However, the two things arn't related as much as people from outside of the area think they are.

Paterno is a powerful figure, but he doesn't get to do whatever the hell he wants without the approval of the board or University President. He controls the football program as much as he wants, but situations not involving the football program arn't his to control in whatever way he sees fit.

So if he told the AD he wanted someone banned from the football facilities, or banned from his own practices, they would tell him no?

Get real.

 

[joseephuss]

I don't see how anyone can come in here and say with absolute certainty that Paterno doesn't deserve the criticism he is getting. Every single person involved in this horrible situation should be ridiculed and is deserving of some sort of punishment. That doesn't mean jail time for everyone, but there are other forms and levels of punishment. For example, losing one's job is punishment. Joe Paterno falls into that group of everyone involved. He was a part of this and so are several other people.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

You can.. and should. Yet, all i see in this thread from most is how Joe Pa knew Sandusky was a kiddie raper and knew everything he was doing behind closed doors for years and was Sandusky's booking agent for little boys to be raped.

Joe Paterno's only mistake was that the one incident he was informed of by a student, that he didn't see, he told the wrong officials. It was a mistake, but what he's being accused of goes far beyond that. I don't believe for one second he knew Sandusky was raping little boys or anything close to that. There's no evidence or information to suggest that at all, no matter how hard some want to try to create it.

Paterno did the absolute minimum required to absolve himself legally. Apparently you think that was enough. Would you think that if your son was involved?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Paterno did the absolute minimum required to absolve himself legally. Apparently you think that was enough. Would you think that if your son was involved?

That's the one right there.

Or if Paterno's son was involved. I doubt the first (and only) thing he would have done is run to the AD's office.

 

[Aggie87]

The only fault Joe has right now in my mind is that he went to university officials instead of the police. How should he have known that they would do nothing? All of them?

Even if he had told police, who's to say they would do anything about it?

Would you all still condemn him if he had told police and they had done nothing about it again?

Joe should have gone to the police. Period. Regardless of what the police ultimately would have done or not done.

That is his MAJOR mistake in this whole scenario - whether he only knew about one child rape or possibly multiple victims.

He completely did the wrong thing, morally. And he has to know that his inaction probably caused further child rapes.

For that alone, he deserves to be removed from his job.

 

[burmafrd]

Joe was told by a grad student that his longtime friend was doing something sexual with a little boy one time.

He went straight to his superior with the news and a meeting was arrainged the next day between his superior and the student and Joe was told by his superior it was being taken care of.

Should he have gone to the police first? Yes.

But he told university officials right away, even though it was his longtime friend who was being accused.

The only fault Joe has right now in my mind is that he went to university officials instead of the police. How should he have known that they would do nothing? All of them?

Even if he had told police, who's to say they would do anything about it?

Would you all still condemn him if he had told police and they had done nothing about it again?

He knew a child was involved and he did not go to the police. You can swallow that but I sure can't.

 

[Rogah]

Joe Paterno's only mistake was that the one incident he was informed of by a student, that he didn't see, he told the wrong officials. It was a mistake, but what he's being accused of goes far beyond that. I don't believe for one second he knew Sandusky was raping little boys or anything close to that. There's no evidence or information to suggest that at all, no matter how hard some want to try to create it.

Actually there's plenty of evidence to suggest that that is indeed the case. Not just circumstantial evidence, but the information contained in the grand jury's Findings of Fact, which is considered a legal finding beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[Rogah]

He knew a child was involved and he did not go to the police. You can swallow that but I sure can't.

Amen. I can actually understand (and perhaps even forgive) going to the AD first to determine how to handle the whole thing - unless the decision how to handle it is "let's do everything we can to coverup the entire sordid affair and hope to God the police never find out."

 

[realtick]

Joe knew a child was involved. That is clear. So anyone trying to claim he should not have done more is full of crap.

RoyHammer apparently disagrees with you.