Peppers on his way out? Boys one Possibility?

[sonnyboy]

Would anyone give up Spencer and Ellis to get Peppers?

I'd have to take a long look at that. It obviously makes sense/adds up from our side. Would it work for Carolina? Could they improve themselves/make use of both players.

I like the idea of adding Peppers at LOLB. Our pass rush would be sick. Now we also add a lot of cap dollars and get older in the starting line-up.

I like Spencer's potential. I've seen flashes his first 2 years. This could be the break out year for him.

 

[adbutcher]

I'd have to take a long look at that. It obviously makes sense/adds up from our side. Would it work for Carolina? Could they improve themselves/make use of both players.

I like the idea of adding Peppers at ROLB. Our pass rush would be sick. Now we also add a lot of cap dollars and get older in the starting line-up.

I like Spencer's potential. I've seen flashes his first 2 years. This could be the break out year for him.

Excellent points and post. I will have a hard time getting rid of Spencer who could be ready to explode. However, for a player of Peppers caliber it would be a no brainer.

 

[Bluefin]

I guess u didnt read my first post where I said NO THANKS to Peppers.

My bad.

I just want to find out if Anthony Spencer is going to sink or swim for us this season as a starter.

Greg Ellis had already been told he is now a reserve and is entering the final year of his contract.

We need to be looking for a nice prospect or two to develop at the premium position in the 3-4.

Justin Rogers has held a spot the past two season for special teams ability alone, which I consider flawed thinking when running the 3-4. If Rogers can't get even occasional snaps at his listed position, he shouldn't be here.

 

[Zaxor]

Once again...

At no time has Peppers played OLB so just thinking he can just come right in and start and be effective...is highly unlikely.

Yeah I know...I heard the story already... "Ellis made the conversion and Peppers is so much more talented." Well two things to that

1st off is Peppers a smarter player than Ellis? The correct answer is no he is not... we all have seen Peppers make numerous errors.

2nd I wouldn't exactly call Ellis a plus in coverage and he has now been at it for awhile... Peppers would become an instant liabilty there till he proves he is able to cover.

Now comes the problem with him having only one more year on his contract...how long do you sign the guy for...can he even play the position effectively it would be all guess work... but if you trade the necessary picks to get him (alot) than you have to sign the guy long term so if he should not be able to play the position you weaken your team and your cap...

I think I would pass on Peppers.

 

[dbair1967]

On Sirius yesterday they were saying that Peppers has just about burned his bridges there. and that the boys were one of several possibilities?

Anyone heard anything more or was that just the talking heads spouting gas?

Its not going to happen. You have a better chance at winning the lotto than betting on Peppers to be a Cowboy.

On top of that, I think he'd be a major disappointment for any team that tries to make a OLB out of him.

 

[texbumthelife]

Justin Rogers has held a spot the past two season for special teams ability alone, which I consider flawed thinking when running the 3-4. If Rogers can't get even occasional snaps at his listed position, he shouldn't be here.

So, you're saying players shouldn't make teams based on special teams play and depth alone?

When exactly are you pulling Ware, Ellis or Spencer for Justin Rogers?

 

[Rampage]

Its not going to happen. You have a better chance at winning the lotto than betting on Peppers to be a Cowboy.

On top of that, I think he'd be a major disappointment for any team that tries to make a OLB out of him.

why? he's made some big plays in the few times he was dropped into coverage.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Its not going to happen. You have a better chance at winning the lotto than betting on Peppers to be a Cowboy.

On top of that, I think he'd be a major disappointment for any team that tries to make a OLB out of him.

IMO, he's a better fit as an OLB in a 3-4 than a 4-3 DE. The dude started as the 3man at UNC. He has athleticism.

6'7, 280, and he can do the things that a 6'2, 240 guy does.

It's too bad he's going to end up in NE. They have enough talent there, and he will make that defense sick. Him, Mayo, Thomas, and Bruschi? They move Thomas back to OLB where he's a better fit, and they have one of the best LB core, if not the best in the league. Adalius and Peppers edge rushing is nasty. I wish we could be like them, minus the cheating.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I'll be absolutely, totally, and completely shocked if Peppers winds up in Dallas. I'd give it about a 2% chance of happening, at best.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Isn't worth it. I think Sintim,English or Sidbury could have the same impact. I'm not giving up on Spencer yet..the guy didn't get a chance on 3rd downs because Gregory took all the reps. We need youth in our LB core.

 

[Bluefin]

So, you're saying players shouldn't make teams based on special teams play and depth alone?

When exactly are you pulling Ware, Ellis or Spencer for Justin Rogers?

That's the thing, Justin Rogers is not depth.

You have to play in order to be depth and he only gets on the field for special teams. The man was listed as Demarcus Ware's back-up, I don't want such a player in that spot.

If you want to be one dimensional, earn your keep as a pass rush specialist.

I know we had Greg Ellis and Anthony Spencer on the team, but Spencer was limited by injuries early in the season and El is nearing the end, we could've used another outside 'backer.

Or do you think Wade Phillips couldn't have found a way to take advantage of another rusher if he thought Rogers was capable?

If Rogers has no upside as a 3-4 linebacker, it's time to churn the spot for someone else.

 

[burmafrd]

frankly to me peppers for 3 years would be worth it. I keep reading posters saying that Spencer is about to break out and have a huge year and I just have NOT seen anything that indicates that. Sadly he may be just what we had in Ellis- a 6-8 sack a year guy who occasionally makes other plays.

 

[ilovejerry]

Him and Ware on this team .....You would have to be a complete fool not to make this deal.....I dont care if he has only 2 years left I would take him in a second....

 

[dogunwo]

I know that if he had been a UFA Jerry was going to go after him hard. I think he will not do it if he has to give up something to acquire him unless it is Greg Ellis and someone else in a package deal. I just don't see it.

He isnt worth the contract he is going to command. I have watched every Panthers game (unfortunately) and he has few games where he shines but disappears for most stretches. The Panthers can't wait to get rid of him. He is very rarely even double teamed. Average lineman handle him quite often.

The only thing he MIGHT have a chance is if he goes to a 3-4 team where he can play outside linebacker, and isnt counted on for great production. He would draw similar complaints on this team like Eliis, except even less productive down the stretch, with the same amount of whining.

Physical attributes aside, he doesnt even seem to be the type of person you want playing on defensive line/Linebacker. I have had several conversations with him, and while he isnt a friend of mine, I have been in alot of personal settings with him. He has to be the most shy, non intimidating person of his size.

 

[Randy White]

Would anyone give up Spencer and Ellis to get Peppers?

Dude, stop reading my mind. I was just thinking about that right this second.

I would think it is the only way the Cowboys would be able to neutralize whatever cap hit they'd get by trading Spencer. Cutting or trading Ellis would save, iirc, roughly 4 to 4.5 million dollars. Trading Spencer would cost around that same figure.

Of course, that doesn't take into consideration the cap hit that Peppers new contract would bring.

 

[Randy White]

I'll believe it when it happens.

Brother, it's happening. At least for the next year, maybe even for the year after next too.

 

[dogunwo]

I read where the Patriots were trying to get him. Not sure where that is now.

I think that the Panthers would take Ellis and another draft pick for him.

You know why they would take that seemingly unbalanced deal? Because thats Peppers's worth. The Panthers have discovered the same thing about Peppers as Jimmy Johnson found out about Herschel Walker. The perception of his value far exceeds his true value. Except Peppers isnt half the player walker is.

Ellis is a better player than Peppers. Not as physically gifted, but a better player. The Panthers would happily take Ellis and a 3rd/4th round pick behind closed doors, but because he has got that Walker thing about him, they will attempt to swindle some sucker into a much more premium pick/player.

 

[Randy White]

. Except Peppers isnt half the player walker is.

Ellis is a better player than Peppers..

Wwooooooohhhh Cowboy.. Slow down there..

If you mean half the athlete that Hershel was, that's one thing and it is debatable. But as far as " football players " is concern, Peppers runs cirlce around Ellis and Walker combined.

 

[burmafrd]

Peppers is a physical freak as regards ability. Sadly like most such he has never had to work as hard and it shoes. Still just for his pass rush alone and ability to cause havoc he is worth a good look.

 

[dogunwo]

Wwooooooohhhh Cowboy.. Slow down there..

If you mean half the athlete that Hershel was, that's one thing and it is debatable. But as far as " football players " is concern, Peppers runs cirlce around Ellis and Walker combined.

No he really doesnt. If the Cowboys somehow acquire him, I hope I am wrong, but am sure I am not.