Peter King MMQB on Dallas draft weekend - Talks about the Paxton ,Ogbah and J.Smith situations

[Sydla]

A direct quote from the article.

I should never be surprised by the opinions on this board. Although there are some opinions that outright shock me. Hell, some of them are mine.

But the idea some brought to the table prior to the draft the Dallas running game wasn't the lynchpin to the success of 2014 was truly amazing. To the point for a brief moment I questioned what I knew. Yet there is no chance of getting away from the truth the running game benefited the passing game and the defense.

And after seeing all the players and coaches and GMs, and even what the team accepts as fact, I wonder where those folks are who put pencil to paper and did some statistical analysis to come away with an opinion contrary to not only what people in football were saying, but the most basic truth to what this game is about.

Moving the chains, staying ahead of third down, controlling the ball and clock, and protecting the defense, as most teams do.

Here it is, the way the team, along with most people associated with this game think about Elliott versus Ramsey. It's basic logic.

Except very few actually said this. This is a total strawman on your part.

What they said was that with this OL Dallas could still have a great running game without having to use the 4th pick in a draft on a TB. Further, that while the running game was very important to the success of that season, the glue that holds it all together is Romo and once you subtract Romo from the mix, it doesn't matter who you have running the ball.

 

[Wolfpack]

What I find most interesting about that article, is that there is no mention of McCay or anyone else. Its all Stephen asking Jerry what do you want to do?

I also like the photo with Spaulding in the background. At least he is wearing a tie this year.

 

[Teague31]

Taking Floyd 6 overall would have been a disaster. Glad we stayed put and took Zeke. And I'm not worried about Lynch. He is a major project. Sure fire franchise QB's don't last until the end of round 1

 

[Clarkson]

Taking Floyd 6 overall would have been a disaster. Glad we stayed put and took Zeke. And I'm not worried about Lynch. He is a major project. Sure fire franchise QB's don't last until the end of round 1

sure fire franchsie QBs barely exist

 

[Floatyworm]

Nice to see Leornard Floyd was a target.

I mocked him at 4 and got killed for it on this board.

Rumors were abound on Twitter 2 weeks prior to the draft Jacksonville would have taken Floyd @ #5.....

 

[punchnjudy]

They must have wanted Elliott pretty bad because it sounds like they really wanted to address QB, and they could have easily gotten Lynch had they traded down from 4. I would like to know how much of their interest in Lynch came from the scouts vs the coaching staff (or both if they were all on the same page). Just seems like there would have to be some doubters since so many other teams passed on him.

 

[Floatyworm]

I know right now on paper everything looks like it worked out for us in this draft....Looks like the D-line got fixed...Got an impact RB...If Jaylon Smith works out...get a big time steal in the 2nd. But in the back of my mind...I still have this sick feeling 4 years from now....we will look back and Paxton Lynch is torching the league while we are still searching for a QB to replace Romo. And we will all be wondering why we didn't spend a 3rd round pick to move up in the draft to get a franchise QB?

 

[Idgit]

I knew it all along and refused to bow to the pass happy people out there that refused to give the proper credit to the running game and where it took us in 2014.

I'm still smiling today. My cup overflows with happiness that we have gone back to that basic principle. Control the clock and demoralize defenses. Remain unpredictable and keep our defense off the field. Just beautiful.

If you guys knew it all along, you should at least try to represent the argument you knew was so wrong accurately. Instead of misunderstanding it yet again like our friend TwoDeep does, again, here.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Man, Jerry really loved Paxton. Broaddus was right on that one, even though he'll get no credit for it. There was a point where everyone was talking Goff and Wentz, and he kept insisting the Cowboys loved Paxton as much as either of those guys.

Don't know how I'd have felt if we got Elliot and Lynch and then had to shut it down till Day 3 though. I mean, drafting Jaylon almost seems like Jerry's revenge for not getting his way with the Paxton trade.

Exactly. I have a whole post dedicated to the fact that this was a Jerry draft, not a Mcclay draft.

 

[dogunwo]

Exactly. I have a whole post dedicated to the fact that this was a Jerry draft, not a Mcclay draft.

And it was silly for you to say it. You have absolutely nothing to back it up. No quotes, no inside information, not even media speculation. Matter of fact, there are many quotes that say the opposite is true. Your whole opinion is based on the fact that you didn't like the draft, and Zeke is a "flashy" player, so it must be Jerry. Give me a break. I don't know if it will be a good draft or not, but I am not going to say that they all of the sudden the process changed because I don't like the result.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Taking Floyd 6 overall would have been a disaster. Glad we stayed put and took Zeke. And I'm not worried about Lynch. He is a major project. Sure fire franchise QB's don't last until the end of round 1

We don't lose Zeke.

Jerry wanted an extra 3rd, Baltimore was going to give up a 4th. I have no problem with this negotiation tactic because that's what negotiating is about...you go high and see if you can get that. They go low and see if you will budge on that.

But as MMQB explains...Baltimore never told Jerry they were going after Zeke if they moved up. SiriusXM reported the same thing...the Ravens wanted Ramsey or at least make sure they got Ronnie Stanley (they wanted Tunsil until the video came out).

It was *Jerry* that got into his own head of thinking that the Ravens would take Zeke. And he screwed the pooch because of it. Could have gotten the same guy with an extra 4th rounder and could have gotten Lynch.

And it shows that this idea that we would be giving up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for Lynch is false. We just had to give up our 2nd and 3rd for Lynch and we get the deal done.

This is a disastrous draft.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Exactly. I have a whole post dedicated to the fact that this was a Jerry draft, not a Mcclay draft.

It was a Garrett/Marinelli draft.

You essentially have three sides. The coaches/coordinators, the position coaches and the scouts. Jerry/Stephen mediate it.

This draft Garrett/Marinelli won out.






YR

 

[tyke1doe]

A direct quote from the article.

I should never be surprised by the opinions on this board. Although there are some opinions that outright shock me. Hell, some of them are mine.

But the idea some brought to the table prior to the draft the Dallas running game wasn't the lynchpin to the success of 2014 was truly amazing. To the point for a brief moment I questioned what I knew. Yet there is no chance of getting away from the truth the running game benefited the passing game and the defense.

And after seeing all the players and coaches and GMs, and even what the team accepts as fact, I wonder where those folks are who put pencil to paper and did some statistical analysis to come away with an opinion contrary to not only what people in football were saying, but the most basic truth to what this game is about.

Moving the chains, staying ahead of third down, controlling the ball and clock, and protecting the defense, as most teams do.

Here it is, the way the team, along with most people associated with this game think about Elliott versus Ramsey. It's basic logic.

Fantastic post, and honest too.

 

[Idgit]

“I’ve had my finest hours in business going against the grain,” he said. “In the oil business, I’m drilling between dry holes trying to make a strike, and everybody around us is laying off geologists. Business is bad. I jump in. Why? The opportunity’s good. Buying the Cowboys when I did? Bad business—they were down. Again, opportunity. This decision, this draft, is a little bit contrary, but it’s in step with how I think.

Sigh. *This* is what gets us beat on draft days.

 

[movaughn88]

I think the biggest wonder I still have now is the trade down to #6. I very much doubt the Ravens would have taken Elliott, but we will never really know. That trade would have made his selection much more palatable to many. Though in that scenario, we would have tried to give that fourth to move up for Lynch most likely.

As some have said, I think this draft would feel extremely hollow if we had given our existing 2nd and 3rd picks to get Lynch. I don't think I'd like that at all.

This narrative completely disproves anyone who saw our #34 as a "panic" pick. They liked Ogbah, but once he was gone knew who they wanted and knew that the Pats or others would jump all over him if he slid further. Also there is a mention of inside info from Dr Cooper, which people tried to argue against as well.

I like the mention of Staubach's guidance on a later QB pick. Connor Cook sounds like he's a bit of an aloof guy, and maybe his slide to the 4th round will humble him slightly, but clearly Staubach likes the idea of a leader more than someone like Cook. I don't want a QB who's not loved by his players.

 

[Sydla]

Fantastic post, and honest too.

Fantastic in what way? The fact that he totally misrepresented the opinion of a majority of posters who did not want Elliott at 4?

 

[vaturkey]

Connor Cook sounds like an arrogant song of a gun per all accounts. I'm glad we didn't take him. I've seen enough Jeff George types over the years that have skills but who don't seem to care about much beyond themselves.

 

[DBOY3141]

I thought there was a lot of chatter that even if Dallas had upped it to a 2nd and 3rd, Seattle would have taken Denver's trade because of the 5th round option.

Only way they were taking Dallas was a 2nd, 3rd this year and a 1st next year.

 

[Miller]

We don't lose Zeke.

Jerry wanted an extra 3rd, Baltimore was going to give up a 4th. I have no problem with this negotiation tactic because that's what negotiating is about...you go high and see if you can get that. They go low and see if you will budge on that.

But as MMQB explains...Baltimore never told Jerry they were going after Zeke if they moved up. SiriusXM reported the same thing...the Ravens wanted Ramsey or at least make sure they got Ronnie Stanley (they wanted Tunsil until the video came out).

It was *Jerry* that got into his own head of thinking that the Ravens would take Zeke. And he screwed the pooch because of it. Could have gotten the same guy with an extra 4th rounder and could have gotten Lynch.

And it shows that this idea that we would be giving up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for Lynch is false. We just had to give up our 2nd and 3rd for Lynch and we get the deal done.

This is a disastrous draft.





YR

Disastrous isn't the word I'd use but I'm confused. I like the Elliott pick and see why they went that direction. If they could have moved back and gotten him then that was Jerry's bad. I also posted a quote the other day during the draft where we were trying to move to get one of the QBs and then someone else and Cleveland stuck it to us. Which makes me think Jerry is way too transparent in his plans. Think this happened with Paxton too considering Jerry was crestfallen afterward....according to King. My main issue isn't liking some of these guys we took but that it contradicts all we heard pre-draft. Elliott is "win now." Jaylon Smith is not "now." Dak Prescott is a project. A basketball player is a project. They could all be studs but they aren't win now. Throwing picks around to move up is not win now. I think our best situation post Elliott was to use our position and load the D...tackles and ends and at least have depth. But again, that's just me.

 

[speedkilz88]

We don't lose Zeke.

Jerry wanted an extra 3rd, Baltimore was going to give up a 4th. I have no problem with this negotiation tactic because that's what negotiating is about...you go high and see if you can get that. They go low and see if you will budge on that.

But as MMQB explains...Baltimore never told Jerry they were going after Zeke if they moved up. SiriusXM reported the same thing...the Ravens wanted Ramsey or at least make sure they got Ronnie Stanley (they wanted Tunsil until the video came out).

It was *Jerry* that got into his own head of thinking that the Ravens would take Zeke. And he screwed the pooch because of it. Could have gotten the same guy with an extra 4th rounder and could have gotten Lynch.

And it shows that this idea that we would be giving up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for Lynch is false. We just had to give up our 2nd and 3rd for Lynch and we get the deal done.

This is a disastrous draft.





YR

If all Jerry got was a 4th everyone would be *****ing about how he got hoodwinked again. On the value chart that is only getting half what he should.