Peter King MMQB on Dallas draft weekend - Talks about the Paxton ,Ogbah and J.Smith situations

reddyuta

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So we tried to trade up one spot for Conner freaking Cook,thank god the Browns got a better deal.
 

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Anomaly is what we're calling it nowadays huh. :lmao2::thumbup::laugh:

Those that never cared for Demarco are so creative. I'll give em that.
 

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I know right now on paper everything looks like it worked out for us in this draft....Looks like the D-line got fixed...Got an impact RB...If Jaylon Smith works out...get a big time steal in the 2nd. But in the back of my mind...I still have this sick feeling 4 years from now....we will look back and Paxton Lynch is torching the league while we are still searching for a QB to replace Romo. And we will all be wondering why we didn't spend a 3rd round pick to move up in the draft to get a franchise QB?:rolleyes:

I feel the same way! Loved lynch.

Rogers, Rothlisburger, Wilson, Carr, Bridgewater are good exampes of Franchise/potential franchise qb's that several teams passed on and regretted it.

I think Paxton Lynch could be this years Rothlisberger, and that would have me as sick as passing on Moss. Stupid thing is according to the article, they felt paxton was well worth the 2 and 3 if they got him at 15-20 but all of a suudden they feel he is only worth the second and a fourth a few picks later? gCmon Mannn!!!!" greedy and foolish! someone help me understand this, you dont let a third round pick keep you from getting the potential franchise qb you covet, ever! id of given em next years third too! I dont even remember the last third round pick that mattered, (whitten?) Ive lost all respect for stephens spineless bs "they want way too much pa" but they really just wanted what you were about to give five picks ago? now its "way too much"? idiots!!!
 

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Lynch scored a 6 on the wonderlic, that is Vince Young territory

I don't want a stupid QB

Dak has a Masters degree btw

You might want to re-check that, it was 18 according to the articles I've seen. Not great but not exactly stupid area. Dak was 25
 

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Ramsey does not have all the skillset to be a great corner. I specifically watch the combine to see him in action b/c I heard how good he was, and I was buying the hype..Sure he is a workout warrior, but I was disappointed in his ball drills. In the combine, if you compare Hargreaves and him, you can see how fluid Hargreaves is compared to Ramsey. I've watch all the film on Ramsey leading up to draft day. He has bad hands and he acknowledged he needs to improve. Watch his combine and proday. His hips are not fluid. An NFL WR will turn him around easily. In the combine, he jumped for a catch that was waist high. Which means he has problems locating deep balls. I played alot of corner and wr growing up, so there are traits that you watch for. I will eat crow if he turns out to be a great corner.

Elliot was the right pick.
 
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I don't get the love for Lynch. He doesn't look like he's a sure fire thing to me. He looks very uncomfortable in the pocket and is a bit erratic, with no touch on his passes.
 

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I wish that the cowboys could have drafted lynch. now we will have to wait until next year or 2018 before we draft a qb that can be our next franchise guy. I see Prescott as another quincy carter qb and we saw how that worked out.
 

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I don't get the love for Lynch. He doesn't look like he's a sure fire thing to me. He looks very uncomfortable in the pocket and is a bit erratic, with no touch on his passes.

He's got the tools for sure, and I actually like his personality. Seems like he wouldn't let things get to him.

But yeah, he's a major project and I'm glad that we didn't trade up for him
 

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I think the zero fumbles could big for us. It seemed like Murray coughed the ball up in almost every game with play-off implications. One things for sure the pick really puts the pressure on the offense to be our dominant unit.

Nothing changes, bro.

Offense has been our signature since Romo arrived.

At least now we have a player who can get it done for years to come.

DMAC and Morris were temp plugs.

Happy Day
A lot of people like to blame losses on the defense when they can't get a stop in fourth quarter in close games. If your'e not one of those than we're in agreement.

When I realize all the draft picks for the OL in the last 4 years..

the defense being handed short picking is clear.

And it happened again this draft with Elliott.

But I can live with that.

We win or die with offense and that's just how it is.

The defense is about a gang mental and playing a scheme..

more than offense which requires more individual skills such as RB, WR, and QB.

And certainly teams win championships with great defense and we have had our share.

But this team is offensively dependent.

No changing that.
 

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Nothing changes, bro.

Offense has been our signature since Romo arrived.

At least now we have a player who can get it done for years to come.

DMAC and Morris were temp plugs.

Happy Day


When I realize all the draft picks for the OL in the last 4 years..

the defense being handed short picking is clear.

And it happened again this draft with Elliott.

But I can live with that.

We win or die with offense and that's just how it is.

The defense is about a gang mental and playing a scheme..

more than offense which requires more individual skills such as RB, WR, and QB.

And certainly teams win championships with great defense and we have had our share.

But this team is offensively dependent.

No changing that.

That's pretty much my thinking. Watching the play-offs this year the teams that won had an efficient offense and dominant defense. We are biased to the offense probably because the head coach is an offensive guy. Just like when Wade and Parcells were head coaches it was skewed to the defense. I don't want to waste our window with Romo but I also don't want to waste our window with Marinelli and I think even Tony knows you need a defense that can get off the field. Denver has an offensive minded GM and head coach and they went out got Wade what he needed. That second pass rusher with Ware and that shut down corner with Talib. Even with Miller and Ware, they used their first pick last year on Shane Ray another pass rusher. It really paid off for them because the Patriots were probably the one offense I thought could march down the field against play-off caliber defenses but even they were no match for the Broncos.
 

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I think yards after contact is a bigger story.

The one thing Murray did exceptionally well was fall forward. Even the "bad" runs tended to net 3 or 4 yards, and very rarely was he stopped for less.

McFadden IMO was the complete opposite last season. While he averaged 4.6 YPC, he certainly didn't get 4 yards every time he touched the ball. Because he went down so easily on contact IMO, his runs tended to more of the 1 yard, 2 yard, 1 yard, 16 yard burst, then 2 yards etc variety. The result to my mind was we were on the field a lot just like 2014, but every drive eventually we would get two of those short runs in a row, get into 3rd and long with the QB situation being what it was they were just not going to convert that very often. So many long drives ended in FGs and turnovers instead of TDs because McFadden couldn't do what Murray did in 2014 - keep the team in manageable 3rd down distances.

I'm still not a huge fan of the pick at 4, but if Zeke can get the "dirty yards" that Murray could and McFadden couldn't reliably, it will make a huge impact to the offense. And if Zeke can get some of that meat off the bone that Murray left out there as well, that's so much the better.

But I still personally would have just paid Lamar Miller in FA and went Ramsey with this pick I think.

The question that concerns me with Miller is why didn't he get more carries if he was as good as many on this board seems to think? I am sure that the Dolphins could have used a dominate RB, but he sure wasn't used as one. Why?
 

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Nothing changes, bro.

Offense has been our signature since Romo arrived.

At least now we have a player who can get it done for years to come.

DMAC and Morris were temp plugs.

Happy Day


When I realize all the draft picks for the OL in the last 4 years..

the defense being handed short picking is clear.

And it happened again this draft with Elliott.

But I can live with that.

We win or die with offense and that's just how it is.

The defense is about a gang mental and playing a scheme..

more than offense which requires more individual skills such as RB, WR, and QB.

And certainly teams win championships with great defense and we have had our share.

But this team is offensively dependent.

No changing that.

There is not another player in the league that I'd relied on like Romo. It is too much. It was proven last year that the team is hot garbage without him. That needs to change . If not , it will take ten years to recover from his retirement. It is a combination of poor planning and bad coaching that got the team in this mess.
 

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We don't lose Zeke.

Jerry wanted an extra 3rd, Baltimore was going to give up a 4th. I have no problem with this negotiation tactic because that's what negotiating is about...you go high and see if you can get that. They go low and see if you will budge on that.

But as MMQB explains...Baltimore never told Jerry they were going after Zeke if they moved up. SiriusXM reported the same thing...the Ravens wanted Ramsey or at least make sure they got Ronnie Stanley (they wanted Tunsil until the video came out).

It was *Jerry* that got into his own head of thinking that the Ravens would take Zeke. And he screwed the pooch because of it. Could have gotten the same guy with an extra 4th rounder and could have gotten Lynch.

And it shows that this idea that we would be giving up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for Lynch is false. We just had to give up our 2nd and 3rd for Lynch and we get the deal done.

This is a disastrous draft.





YR

I see your perspective.

However, i think you forgot to account for one scenario.

Say Cowboys trade with Ravens for the 4th pick and Ravens do end up taking Ramsey. Jacksonville could have traded out of 5th spot to a team that wanted Zeke. This would leave Cowboys high and dry at 6th with their top prospects gone (Goff, Wentz, Bosa, Ramsey, and Zeke). That would be a truly disaster scenario.

Therefore, I can see why the Cowboys decided stay put at 4th. The risk (losing Zeke) is much too great than the reward (getting an extra 4th).
 

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I see your perspective.

However, i think you forgot to account for one scenario.

Say Cowboys trade with Ravens for the 4th pick and Ravens do end up taking Ramsey. Jacksonville could have traded out of 5th spot to a team that wanted Zeke. This would leave Cowboys high and dry at 6th with their top prospects gone (Goff, Wentz, Bosa, Ramsey, and Zeke). That would be a truly disaster scenario.

Therefore, I can see why the Cowboys decided stay put at 4th. The risk (losing Zeke) is much too great than the reward (getting an extra 4th).

They could have done one thing.
Call Jacksonville (#5) and tell them someone wants Ramsey and see if they will swap picks.
 

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I would rather see Dallas as being a team that is known for ball control, smash-mouth offense and having a very fast, physical defense. Basically , the 90's Cowboy teams are the model that I like. It is a winning combination in any era of football.

Agreed.

One thing I was excited about when it came this draft was that all the defensive players had a speed component to their game... Collins, Tapper, the corner from Purdue, the safety. All ran faster than the average player at the position.

You can learn technique. You can get stronger, but speed isn't something that is likely improved.
 

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My 2 cents on Dallas Cowboys draft

1) Cowboys think they're closer to 12-4 then 4-12. Drafting Zeke #4 a complete back who doesn't come off the field..kinda like Demarco Murray. Get your identity back and not only dominate and control the clock running the ball but also score (McFadden 3TD).

2) Follow the $/Draft Picks. Cowboys have $ tied up in the D-Line(Crawford, Thornton) and high draft picks in (Gregory, Lawrence). You look at LB's they got $ tied to Lee and McClain and are high on Hitchens. DBs they got $ tied to Carr, Scandrick, Mo and Church and Jones was a 1st rd pick. Jerry wants return on investment. Doesn't need those players tied to $ or picks to be back ups and reserves. Where's the least amount $$ at? RB. McFadden or Morris can be cut tomorrow without any ramifications towards the cap.

And also..Two years ago Cowboys had the worst defense in franchise history. What did they do with their first pick? Drafted Zack Martin..who was an All-Pro his rookie year and helped the Cowboys solidify the best rushing attack in franchise history..

If Romo and Dez stay healthy we will compete for the Division.

End of Rant..
 

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Any significance to McClay not being mentioned once in this lengthy piece?

I must say, though it makes for a good read, I'm not enamored with Jerry's risky approach to team building.
 

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There is not another player in the league that I'd relied on like Romo. It is too much. It was proven last year that the team is hot garbage without him. That needs to change . If not , it will take ten years to recover from his retirement. It is a combination of poor planning and bad coaching that got the team in this mess.

I agree here to a point.

The only time I can remember our team relying on their QB so heavily was Staubach.

His style of play and ability to deliver was legendary.

Romo has not been blessed with the coaching stability like Staubach was.

HC and DC changes have reduced his legacy to me.

But whatever he does..it has changed this team to the point few can equal him.

It used to be Romo's mistakes defined him.

Now his being injured is.

But I agree..at some point we have to deal with him being gone.
 

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So like I said before, Seattle would have been dumb to pass on our offer of a 2+3 in favor of Denver's 2+3 considering the amount of picks between our third rounder...the 5th year option was not that valuable
 
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