Peter King MMQB on Dallas draft weekend - Talks about the Paxton ,Ogbah and J.Smith situations

[Idgit]

btw, Even though I didn't like the pick, I'm just as excited about the player as you are!

It's a weird place to be in, huh? I fell like a starving kid who's dad passed up a steak in order to get me a banana split.

 

[percyhoward]

It's a weird place to be in, huh? I fell like a starving kid who's dad passed up a steak in order to get me a banana split.

Everybody keeps saying there's protein in the chopped nuts, so it's okay.

 

[Idgit]

Everybody keeps saying there's protein in the chopped nuts, so it's okay.

I might as well join the other kids running around on their sugar highs.

 

[ufcrules1]

A direct quote from the article.

I should never be surprised by the opinions on this board. Although there are some opinions that outright shock me. Hell, some of them are mine.

But the idea some brought to the table prior to the draft the Dallas running game wasn't the lynchpin to the success of 2014 was truly amazing. To the point for a brief moment I questioned what I knew. Yet there is no chance of getting away from the truth the running game benefited the passing game and the defense.

And after seeing all the players and coaches and GMs, and even what the team accepts as fact, I wonder where those folks are who put pencil to paper and did some statistical analysis to come away with an opinion contrary to not only what people in football were saying, but the most basic truth to what this game is about.

Moving the chains, staying ahead of third down, controlling the ball and clock, and protecting the defense, as most teams do.

Here it is, the way the team, along with most people associated with this game think about Elliott versus Ramsey. It's basic logic.

Percy disagrees with you. According to him and his stats it was all Romo in 2014. Not the running game.

 

[percyhoward]

I might as well join the other kids running around on their sugar highs.

We could keep riding the high if we luck out and get a 2014-type schedule of turnover-prone offenses. It never gets mentioned, but the strength of opposing offense has been really strange the past four seasons. In 2014, the weak schedule probably had more to do with the 12-4 record than the running game.

2012 5th
2013 5th
2014 30th
2015 6th

 

[darthseinfeld]

This tells me Jones is going to be very adament and aggressive next time his eyes are set on a QB

 

[Alexander]

This tells me Jones is going to be very adament and aggressive next time his eyes are set on a QB

I agree. I bought into the FIVE YEARS, NOT A DAMN DEBATE dialogue.

 

[Nightman]

I ran the First-pick.com app a hundred times and often ended up with EE and Lynch after a small trade back in the first. But I never loved it. If I couldn't get Goff or Wentz I didn't want Lynch or Henry.

As the draft got closer and we knew Goff and Wentz were going 1-2, I only wanted EE and Ramsey. Elliott was consistently moving into the top 10 and sometimes top 5.

A trade back to 6 and we lose EE and Ramsey.

I would take JSmith, Collins and Dak over Lynch and Sheldon Day all day.

 

[wileedog]

The question that concerns me with Miller is why didn't he get more carries if he was as good as many on this board seems to think? I am sure that the Dolphins could have used a dominate RB, but he sure wasn't used as one. Why?

Ask the now fired coach who refused to use him. Miller was productive whenever he got the ball, rushing or receiving. Not his fault the coaches refused to recognize that, and it is a major reason he is no longer in Miami.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I also posted a quote the other day during the draft where we were trying to move to get one of the QBs and then someone else and Cleveland stuck it to us.

How is Cleveland taking the better deal offered to them sticking it to us?

My main issue isn't liking some of these guys we took but that it contradicts all we heard pre-draft.

So you really expect Dallas or any other team to tell everyone their draft strategy. There is so much misinformation intentionally put out there before the draft. But you did know that right?

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

That's the thing with all of this...coaches are going to have a win now mentality and the scouts are going to have a long term mentality. The GM has to bridge that gap. Instead, Jerry goes with the coaches or the scouts and never really bridges the gap between the two.

How do you know that. They only way is to be in that room when those discussing's are taking place!

 

[Miller]

How is Cleveland taking the better deal offered to them sticking it to us?



So you really expect Dallas or any other team to tell everyone their draft strategy. There is so much misinformation intentionally put out there before the draft. But you did know that right?

You are confused as to "draft strategy." We were told we were taking guys to "win now." That was known. It's not something to hide or keep from other teams. The fact that we went away from that multiple times despite Jerry preaching it was the issue. Cleveland didn't take a deal. There were multiple reports that we were telegraphing who we wanted when we attempted trades and during the draft and it seemed those teams jumped on that info if what was said was true. As I've said in multiple threads, its not about the players being bad, its about the resources to make the team better this year.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

You are confused as to "draft strategy." We were told we were taking guys to "win now." It's not something to hide or keep from other teams. The fact that we went away from that multiple times despite Jerry preaching it was the issue.

Yes I am confused. Confused that people listen to pre draft fodder! And it's not something to hide, any little miss information helps not letting other team target your players.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I agree. I bought into the FIVE YEARS, NOT A DAMN DEBATE dialogue.

Ill say this, Im not counting on them having possession of a 2018 first round pick come next May

 

[Tristan]

This tells me Jones is going to be very adament and aggressive next time his eyes are set on a QB

lets go get us some Deshawn Watson! that will cure my paxton Lynch blues lol!

 

[Beast_from_East]

Yea, if Dak turns out to be a bust then I fully expect us to trade away multiple picks for our next QB........Jerry will not be scared to overpay next time.

This could be good or it could be bad, especially if somebody fleeces us in a trade.

 

[jjktkk]

Yea, if Dak turns out to be a bust then I fully expect us to trade away multiple picks for our next QB........Jerry will not be scared to overpay next time.

This could be good or it could be bad, especially if somebody fleeces us in a trade.

Just hold on and try to enjoy the ride.

 

[Miller]

Yes I am confused. Confused that people listen to pre draft fodder! And it's not something to hide, any little miss information helps not letting other team target your players.

How is "win now" predraft fodder? Our owner and the team had talked about it openly and weren't hiding it. There is no ruse when there are no specific players tied to it. Your just trying to manufacture an argument here.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

How is "win now" predraft fodder? Our owner and the team had talked about it openly and weren't hiding it. There is no ruse when there are no specific players tied to it. Your just trying to manufacture an argument here.

No argument. I was just commenting on your post:

"My main issue isn't liking some of these guys we took but that it contradicts all we heard pre-draft."

I just disagree with your conclusion that I guess you got from the assessment of reports and statements made by the organization prior to the draft. See I believe that you should take with a grain of salt all of what any report from reporters or so called inside sources or anything the organization is saying leading up to the draft. The fact is the actual draft after the fact is how I base my conclusions on what was their strategy going into the draft. See I'm analytical by profession and no one on this forum has the experience, insight, know how or enough data to know what was the Cowboys actual draft plans and their actual draft board.

Also sometimes draft plans and picks change from actual needs because of who might have falling in the draft. It happens every year. A team takes a player that fell to them that might not fill a need because their is so much value in picking them. Perfect example would be the Green Bay Packers in 2005. The needed defense help badly and everyone thought and all reports was that they were going defense heavy, but the projected #1 pick by some falls to them at 24. They then draft Nick Collins (a presumed need) in the second round but Terrence Murphy who was projected by some to be a top 3 WR also falls to them in the second and they take him with their 2nd second round pick. They went into that draft talking about defense but with two of their first three picks they grab offense. It's just one example of many where teams draft plans slightly change because of who may be available when they pick. It happens all the time. You hear during the draft commentators will say "that wasn't a need but good value".

Again no argument brother, just commenting on your problems with them contradicting so called reports and statements by them!

 

[Miller]

No argument. I was just commenting on your post:

"My main issue isn't liking some of these guys we took but that it contradicts all we heard pre-draft."

I just disagree with your conclusion that I guess you got from the assessment of reports and statements made by the organization prior to the draft. See I believe that you should take with a grain of salt all of what any report from reporters or so called inside sources or anything the organization is saying leading up to the draft. The fact is the actual draft after the fact is how I base my conclusions on what was their strategy going into the draft. See I'm analytical by profession and no one on this forum has the experience, insight, know how or enough data to know what was the Cowboys actual draft plans and their actual draft board.

Also sometimes draft plans and picks change from actual needs because of who might have falling in the draft. It happens every year. A team takes a player that fell to them that might not fill a need because their is so much value in picking them. Perfect example would be the Green Bay Packers in 2005. The needed defense help badly and everyone thought and all reports was that they were going defense heavy, but the projected #1 pick by some falls to them at 24. They then draft Nick Collins (a presumed need) in the second round but Terrence Murphy who was projected by some to be a top 3 WR also falls to them in the second and they take him with their 2nd second round pick. They went into that draft talking about defense but with two of their first three picks they grab offense. It's just one example of many where teams draft plans slightly change because of who may be available when they pick. It happens all the time. You hear during the draft commentators will say "that wasn't a need but good value".

Again no argument brother, just commenting on your problems with them contradicting so called reports and statements by them!

Listen, I respect your draft talk and don't disagree with how people play the draft. Nothing you said contradicts what I think regarding the draft. Get the analytical stuff as my job required/s it also. My comment on "all we heard pre-draft" was specific to "win now." Jerry has brought up "Win now" and it has nothing to do with how players fall, etc. It is a basic tenet that we need players to help during a window where Romo is healthy. Elliott was "win now." Jaylon is not. Prescott is not. A basketball TE is not. A RB that will be 4th on depth chart and maybe on practice squad is not. That's the issue. We didn't allocate resources in the draft to "win now." The fact that Jerry has spoken about how he missed...twice...to move up for backup QBs is not "win now." We didn't just need starters on D, we needed depth. There were players in the 2nd, and even 5th and 6th that were good LBs, DTs, etc in college. We went on a drunk fantasy binge and threw out "flyers." They could all work some how but it is against the philosophy that Jerry has espoused for a long time....get players to help Romo and the core now.