Petrino on Zimmer

[dbair1967]

Petrino said Monday he wants the Falcons to run a 4-3 defense. "One of my critical hires will be my defensive coordinator," Petrino said Monday. "It's certainly going to be very important to me. I want to be able to play the game very aggressive and be able to come after the quarterback. Obviously, you have to stop the run first."

Something tells me Petrino is in for a surprise.

maybe Petrino's not as brilliant as some wanted to think

David

 

[dbair1967]

As much as I wanted him gone, I think Zimmer will do well in Atlanta. With Patrick Kerney, John Abraham, and Rod Coleman on the D-Line, they'll be able to create enough pressure for Zim's defense to do well.

they'll probably rush the passer with those guys (if healthy, which is always an issue with Abraham)...but they'll probably give up 200 yds a game on the ground...they are also getting up there in age now...Kearney and Coleman are both 30 now

and for some reason I was thinking Kearney was a free agent

David

 

[baj1dallas]

You might want to check your facts before you post nonsense like that.


How many sacks did our D have in 2000, 2001, and 2002?


How many since BP got here (per season)?

What was our talent level on D those years?

A far, far cry from Atlanta's talent level for one thing.

Zimmer will get it done in Atlanta next season.

 

[Skin]

Speaking of players for the Falcons, who did we have on our defense, particularly the line, before Parcells got here. I seem to remember we had guys like Ekuban, John Nix, Daleroy Stewart, Willie Blade, Peppi Zellner, etc. We had Mario freakin-Edwards at one corner. I'll give you L-Glover, Ellis and Brandon Noble and some others. I'm not a Zimmer-supporter, but dayom man, we had some schmeg back then. Thank you Bill for stocking the cupboard, now go watch the horse races so we can get someone in here to do something with these groceries.

 

[baj1dallas]

You've got some serious lack of football knowledge if you're actually backing that piece of crap (Zimmer). Go ahead and go be a Falcons fan now if you like.

I hope somebody remembers this thread at the end of next season and we can go and look at the 2007 statistics.

 

[Skin]

I hope somebody remembers this thread at the end of next season and we can go and look at the 2007 statistics.

I just hope we're not all crying in our beer if Bill puts T. Bowles in place and he gives us more of the same poo-poo on defense. This fish is rotten from the head down.

 

[iceberg]

maybe Petrino's not as brilliant as some wanted to think

David

and maybe zimmer isn't as bad as people want to make him out to be.

 

[dbair1967]

and maybe zimmer isn't as bad as people want to make him out to be.

maybe...but he has been here for a long time, and we've had the same problem the whole time

it was time to try something different

David

 

[iceberg]

maybe...but he has been here for a long time, and we've had the same problem the whole time

it was time to try something different

David

in BP time (before parcells) zimmer had a good d. it worked on the field, it worked in fantasy football, and while we still lacked a solid pass rush, the defense still ranked at the top of the list for run, pass and combined.

this year i daresay we fell a long way.

zimmer proved he can build and run a defense. parcells *to me* proved he can shell a solid defense (vs. tweak it) because *he* wants to do it, and it got a lot worse.

i think parcells fans and haters will both agree he's a control freak. no one farts without him either being aware of it or by his system. this is why many of the coaches and staff there now *want parcells gone*.

what i don't understand is how the fall of the defense gets pinned on the DC who's doing it the way parcells says to do it.

no the players were not executing.
no we had no pass rush despite cutting players left and right for that "special" LB we had to have
and yes, we gave up a LOT more big plays

*AFTER* parcells got into the mix and mucked it all up.

i don't care much about zimmer either way - but it doesn't add up in my mind to slap him down for what looks to be a worse defense *AFTER* parcells changed it all up in his own fashion and way.

i agree changes are needed but if parcells stays and promoted bowel boy, it's going to be a long long year AGAIN while we suffer through another rerun of the parcells failure show.

 

[CowboyJeff]

Zimmer will do well in Atlanta until the first time his schemes are exposed. Then he will never recover.

 

[iceberg]

Zimmer will do well in Atlanta until the first time his schemes are exposed. Then he will never recover.

so 7 years or so of him in dallas will tell people nothing then?

seems people wanna rag on someone for the sake of ragging on them w/o any real tie to reality.

 

[CowboyJeff]

so 7 years or so of him in dallas will tell people nothing then?

seems people wanna rag on someone for the sake of ragging on them w/o any real tie to reality.

Let's hear your reality of why Zimmer is such a guru.

 

[Urinal Mint]

A lot of poeple will be eating their words when Zimmer succeeds in Atlanta without Parcells retarding his ability to build a defense.

 

[CowboyJeff]

A lot of poeple will be eating their words when Zimmer succeeds in Atlanta without Parcells retarding his ability to build a defense.

when has Zimmer ever "built" a dominant defense. I don't remember Zimmer's defenses ever scaring anyone.

 

[noshame]

A lot of poeple will be eating their words when Zimmer succeeds in Atlanta without Parcells retarding his ability to build a defense.

no, you don't understand.

Zimmer will run a very agressive defense in ATl. He would have run one here, however, he was never allowed to. Even in the campo years he was directed to go conservitive. In ATL he will let it rip, and when the defense rises to a solid unit, people will say" YEP, HE LEARNED WELL FOR PARCELLS"

 

[Aikmaniac]

when has Zimmer ever "built" a dominant defense. I don't remember Zimmer's defenses ever scaring anyone.

They scared the crap outta me.

 

[Urinal Mint]

When did Sean Payton build a scary offense? He was hampered in Dallas under Parcells, and he didn't have the personnel in New York to pull it off. Things are different now...

Give a competent man (which I believe Zimmer is) opportunity and some talent and he can work wonders.

when has Zimmer ever "built" a dominant defense. I don't remember Zimmer's defenses ever scaring anyone.

 

[Rack]

What was our talent level on D those years?

A far, far cry from Atlanta's talent level for one thing.

Zimmer will get it done in Atlanta next season.

It's a good thing he already has talent on that D cuz he sure as hell doesn't know how to develop talent.

I hope somebody remembers this thread at the end of next season and we can go and look at the 2007 statistics.

I already stated that D would probably do ok the first year, but the longer they stay under Zimmer, the worse they'll get. Let's leave that fact out though, right?

in BP time (before parcells) zimmer had a good d. it worked on the field, it worked in fantasy football, and while we still lacked a solid pass rush, the defense still ranked at the top of the list for run, pass and combined.

this year i daresay we fell a long way.

zimmer proved he can build and run a defense. parcells *to me* proved he can shell a solid defense (vs. tweak it) because *he* wants to do it, and it got a lot worse.

i think parcells fans and haters will both agree he's a control freak. no one farts without him either being aware of it or by his system. this is why many of the coaches and staff there now *want parcells gone*.

what i don't understand is how the fall of the defense gets pinned on the DC who's doing it the way parcells says to do it.

no the players were not executing.
no we had no pass rush despite cutting players left and right for that "special" LB we had to have
and yes, we gave up a LOT more big plays

*AFTER* parcells got into the mix and mucked it all up.

i don't care much about zimmer either way - but it doesn't add up in my mind to slap him down for what looks to be a worse defense *AFTER* parcells changed it all up in his own fashion and way.

i agree changes are needed but if parcells stays and promoted bowel boy, it's going to be a long long year AGAIN while we suffer through another rerun of the parcells failure show.

1. Now it's YOU picking out one year instead of the three whole years Zimmer was the DC before BP got there. How good was his D vs the run in 2000? Look it up, Chico.

2. Zimmer never proved he can build ANYTHING on D. All he ever proved is he couldn't develop the players we had. Of course we always blame the players, but you're blind if you can't see that the coaching had a bit to do with the players not developing.

3. Parcells changed the D cuz it wasn't working. He doesn't pay attention to rankings and Fantasy Football stats (seriously, that was useless of you to mention FF numbers). If he was the control freak you claim him to be, he would of switched to the 3-4 from the start. He gave Zimmer's D 2 years, and all it proved was we still weren't consistent getting to the QB and it couldn't shut teams down at the end of games when we needed it. Yeah, but let's blame Parcells.

4. You've basically just said that Zimmer is a better coach than Parcells. That proves how utterly ignorant you and some others are.


5. Parcells didn't muck anything up. At least we've had a player show signs of DEVELOPING on D since BP got here (Ware), whereas everyone else seems to have hit the wall or regressed.

 

[Juke99]

Allow Zimmer to run his defense and don't force schemes down his throat he does not know and he can be a heck of a DC. This reminds me so much of Payton last year. This place practically had a party and ripped Saints fans when they hired him. All he needed was to get out from under the thumb of Parcells.

Impossible!

 

[gbrittain]

Zimmer...Parcells...Chicken...Egg.

That is why I support GROTA. I do not like Zimmer, but do know for fact that it is all his fault? No. Could Parcells be part of the problem? Yes.

I do not know all the answers and therefore GROTA.