Petrino on Zimmer

[Rack]

This isn't a chicken/egg type of situation. Zimmer had 3 years w/o Parcells to show what he had... nothing.


If anything, the D has IMPROVED since BP got here. Our pass rush, still horrible, has improved with BP here. So no, this isn't a chicken/egg situation.

 

[gbrittain]

This isn't a chicken/egg type of situation. Zimmer had 3 years w/o Parcells to show what he had... nothing.


If anything, the D has IMPROVED since BP got here. Our pass rush, still horrible, has improved with BP here. So no, this isn't a chicken/egg situation.

According to you maybe, but did Zimmer have anywhere near the talent now that he did then?

The whole team has improved since Parcells got here. I can not knock him for that, I just do not think it has improved enough.

 

[Rack]

According to you maybe, but did Zimmer have anywhere near the talent now that he did then?

The whole team has improved since Parcells got here. I can not knock him for that, I just do not think it has improved enough.

And what did he do with that talent? How did our D do the last 5 games of the season?


Thanks for proving my point for me.

 

[dbair1967]

A lot of poeple will be eating their words when Zimmer succeeds in Atlanta without Parcells retarding his ability to build a defense.

he'll need talent to do that wont he? that was always the excuse for him under Campo for bad defense, no pass rush and blown leads

Atlanta doesnt have alot of talent on D either...their CB's and safeties are terrible in coverage...their LB's (other than Demarrio Williams) cant cover a lick either...the DL is undersized, has some age and is injury prone

I doubt we'll see any amazing results from the Atlanta D in 2007

David

 

[dbair1967]

This isn't a chicken/egg type of situation. Zimmer had 3 years w/o Parcells to show what he had... nothing.


If anything, the D has IMPROVED since BP got here. Our pass rush, still horrible, has improved with BP here. So no, this isn't a chicken/egg situation.

we agree on Zimmer, however we disasgree on Parcells

I really think he is some of the problem..if he didnt like the way the defense was playing or the way the plays were being called, he could have done something about it I'd think

I guess we wont know until next yr if Parcells is still here...

David

 

[Vintage]

Fantasy Football?

Fantasy football?

Are you kidding me?

You're talking about fantasy football?

 

[iceberg]

1. Now it's YOU picking out one year instead of the three whole years Zimmer was the DC before BP got there. How good was his D vs the run in 2000? Look it up, Chico.

pass. i've learned long ago in dealing with people hellbent on proving their point has to be correct whatever i would find just wouldn't be enough OR would get excused away. i'm not saying zimmer was a powerhouse the entire time here, but he did build up to a #1 defense in 2003.

3. Parcells changed the D cuz it wasn't working. He doesn't pay attention to rankings and Fantasy Football stats (seriously, that was useless of you to mention FF numbers). If he was the control freak you claim him to be, he would of switched to the 3-4 from the start. He gave Zimmer's D 2 years, and all it proved was we still weren't consistent getting to the QB and it couldn't shut teams down at the end of games when we needed it. Yeah, but let's blame Parcells.

FFL was brought in simply to illustrate that the team was doing well on defense. you wanna sit there and giggle, have a day. if you think that's my *only* area to look into, well - ok. you do that.

btw - we still SUCK at getting to the qb. glad parcells way worked.

4. You've basically just said that Zimmer is a better coach than Parcells. That proves how utterly ignorant you and some others are.

no. i did not. now if you're to the point of putting my words into my mouth so you can prove your point at the expense of something i've not said, lemme know now and we can just both move along. i'm not gonna waste my time with people who do that.

fyi - my point is they don't mix as a team. zimmer wanted out of dallas - maybe it's because he sucked and maybe it was because he was going to get fired - and maybe because parcells is a control freak and he was tired of taking the fall for a scheme not his own.

5. Parcells didn't muck anything up. At least we've had a player show signs of DEVELOPING on D since BP got here (Ware), whereas everyone else seems to have hit the wall or regressed.

in 2003 we had the #1 defense in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-TOTAL/2003/regular?sort_col_1=4

i'll just figure we didn't quite hit the top spot in the 2 years parcells had to "fix" it all.

last year, 34 sacks.
2003 - 32 sacks.

glad to see the switch was worth it after 2 years in development.

granted we had some work to do on defense but why shell a #1 defense and totally redo it to fix 1 problem and then 2 years later, you still have that problem?

again, if you're gonna put words in my mouth and go on the "you're ignorant" crap, just don't bother cause i'll be done replying.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Allow Zimmer to run his defense and don't force schemes down his throat he does not know and he can be a heck of a DC. This reminds me so much of Payton last year. This place practically had a party and ripped Saints fans when they hired him. All he needed was to get out from under the thumb of Parcells.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

As much as I wanted him gone, I think Zimmer will do well in Atlanta. With Patrick Kerney, John Abraham, and Rod Coleman on the D-Line, they'll be able to create enough pressure for Zim's defense to do well.

that's a line Zimmer never had in Dallas

 

[Bob Sacamano]

maybe Petrino's not as brilliant as some wanted to think

David

or maybe he knows more than you do, talked to a hell of a lot more NFL people etc. etc.

 

[gbrittain]

And what did he do with that talent? How did our D do the last 5 games of the season?


Thanks for proving my point for me.

That does not prove your point.

What was Parcells doing that was so important that he could not lend a hand and fix what you think is so obvious. I mean for goodness sakes Zimmer has been horrible for seven years as you say.

Roll out the excuse rollodex:

1. Jerry Jones insisted that BP had to keep Zimmer regardless.
2. BP was too busy to get involved and tell Zimmer to do it his way.
3. BP is just a good ole boy and wanted to give Zimmer every opportunity to succeed no matter how much it was hurting the Cowboys.
4. BP had no idea that Zimmer has been sucking for seven years.

How do you have such a horrible coordinator that even you Rack can see it, but BP can not or is willing to tolerate it for four years?

 

[5Stars]

Just a little bit of information from my neck of the woods here in Utah.

I live maybe 15 minutes from Weber State and I know a guy that I used to work with that is the brother of the girl that married Zimmer. When he told me that, I told him, "Wow, that's cool...does he hook you up with tickets to Cowboy games"? (he also wears Cowboy gear and is a Cowboy fan...I wonder why)! He looked at me like I was stupid!

Anyway, he told me (and this is the truth), he absoutel HATES Zimmer! He told me he cannot understand why his sister married him.

I asked him why he dislikes Zimmer? He told me that Zimmer is a cold hearted SOB, that he does not like anyone or anybody (aside from his sister) and that he was a real Prick! When Zimmer has "family reunions" after the season, only HIS family can attend...not any of his wife's family or my friend!

He told me that he cannot wait until Zimmer is out of Dallas, because no matter what, he will never be a great coach because of his personality (his words, not mine)...

By the way, just so you don't think I'm making all this up, Zimmer's wife's maiden name is Black...I won't tell you what my friends first name is...

I know this has nothing to do with this thread, but, I thought I would chime in...

As for me? Good riddence, Zimmer! And, good luck...thanks for what you did do for the Cowboys...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

fanning the flames much 5stars?

 

[5Stars]

fanning the flames much 5stars?

Not really...just a true story...

 

[Skin]

OK, so now we're supposed to be glad Zimmer's gone because he was an jerk to his in-laws. ***?!?! Who cares?

Guess what? Most NFL coaches aren't bundles of joy. Same can be said for most college coaches. As a matter of fact, most high school coaches are in the same mold. Most of them are arrogant pukes.

My high school coach (in Nephi, UT, btw 5STARS) was about the only nice guy coach I ever played for...he wasn't worth a darn.

 

[Bleu Star]

GROZ = SUCCESS! GL BOBBY!!

 

[tnewman41]

im glad hes taking Zimmer off our hands lol

 

[iceberg]

one thing i find ironic is that GROZ - great. people want to get rid of him because anybody will be better.

however, lob in a .505 coach for the last 4 years and many of those same people are scared stiff we won't find anyone any better.

why have faith one will improve but the other simply can't be improved?

 

[gbrittain]

one thing i find ironic is that GROZ - great. people want to get rid of him because anybody will be better.

however, lob in a .505 coach for the last 4 years and many of those same people are scared stiff we won't find anyone any better.

why have faith one will improve but the other simply can't be improved?

Because the only thing holding the Cowboys back was Zimmer. Jerry nor BP realized it or had the cojones to do anything about it.

 

[wileedog]

one thing i find ironic is that GROZ - great. people want to get rid of him because anybody will be better.

however, lob in a .505 coach for the last 4 years and many of those same people are scared stiff we won't find anyone any better.

why have faith one will improve but the other simply can't be improved?

One has two SBs, has brought another team to a SB, has brought yet another team to an AFC Championship game and will be in the HOF.

The other has been here 13 years and best he's managed is a job offer at Nebraska. (no knock on local Nebraskans)

But wilee that's all in the past....

Shutup, its still football.