Petrino on Zimmer

[Maikeru-sama]

Are you saying that Joe Schmoe is a pimp?


Carry on....

:laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

The difference is this defense is loaded with 1st and 2nd year players. They will get better. And if they don't this year then everyone will get their drastic change regardless.

The 03 squad was mostly guys who had peaked or were starting to decline - that was as good as they were going to get, and indeed with just the loss of Woody in 04 they completely collapsed.

I've defended Zimmer in the past and I don't think he is as much to blame as some are saying. I think he might even do relatively well in Atlanta.

I do take exception to those who want to bypass him completely and say Parcells was manipulating him, suffocating him, telling him what to do, blah blah blah. Again, they gave him a $1M raise for a reason, and it wasn't because he managed to always get Bill's Taco Bell order right at the drive through.

we hope they will get better, as we always do. no guarantee spears for example will suddenly turn it around just because parcells pick him.

as far as peak vs. coming into their own - i'm not gonna go dig it up but i don't believe the D on 03 was all old guys about done.

 

[gbrittain]

I see noone wants to touch the execution factor

Sorry been gone a while. I would love to touch on this subject.

How many coaches in the NFL are total bufoon's? Most coaches are all former very successfull offensive/defensive coordinators.

It is not like most coaches are found at the local ChuckECheese's playing the role of the dressed up rat.

Yet, somehow coaches get fired every year because of...drum roll...the players did not execute.

That is why coaches get fired. Coaches do not miss blocks, throw INTs, committ personal fouls, jump offsides, miss tackles and etcetera.

It is the responsibility of coaches to pass their knowledge and get the players to buy into their system and ultimately execute what it is they the coaches want the players to do.

Every single time I talk about coaching sucks for our team or some other team you can bet your bottom dollar that the execution from the players side was not there.

Fair or not is not the question. The coach is responsible for the players execution. If the players do not execute eventually the owner grows tired and tries to find another coach that can get the players to execute.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Sorry been gone a while. I would love to touch on this subject.

How many coaches in the NFL are total bufoon's? Most coaches are all former very successfull offensive/defensive coordinators.

It is not like most coaches are found at the local ChuckECheese's playing the role of the dressed up rat.

Yet, somehow coaches get fired every year because of...drum roll...the players did not execute.

That is why coaches get fired. Coaches do not miss blocks, throw INTs, committ personal fouls, jump offsides, miss tackles and etcetera.

It is the responsibility of coaches to pass their knowledge and get the players to buy into their system and ultimately execute what it is they the coaches want the players to do.

Every single time I talk about coaching sucks for our team or some other team you can bet your bottom dollar that the execution from the players side was not there.

Fair or not is not the question. The coach is responsible for the players execution. If the players do not execute eventually the owner grows tired and tries to find another coach that can get the players to execute.

if Zimmer didn't take the Falcon job, or any other, he would be back

so again, it's not fair that the coaches receive all the blame, and not the players, for all we know, and which I believe in, is that the coaches coached the players up, but due to the inexperience of most of our players, and the complexity of the 3-4, it hasn't worked out so far, that makes more sense than the coaches don't know how to coach

 

[gbrittain]

if Zimmer didn't take the Falcon job, or any other, he would be back

Ok. I am not sure what you are trying to tell me?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok. I am not sure what you are trying to tell me?

that right there should tell you that others more in the know appreciate the coaching that Zimmer did

but just in case, I edited it to explain further

 

[Maikeru-sama]

if Zimmer didn't take the Falcon job, or any other, he would be back

And you know this how?

Jerry has been very adamant about bringing T.O. and Parcells back.

However, Jerry was very non-committal when asked about Zimmer's future.

Once the defense folded like a deck of cards, it was clear Zimmer was going to fall on the sword for the team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Once the defense folded like a deck of cards, it was clear Zimmer was going to fall on the sword for the team.

and you know this how?

I'm just saying that Dallas doesn't seem to be looking outside of the Dallas organization for another coach

 

[gbrittain]

that right there should tell you that others more in the know appreciate the coaching that Zimmer did

but just in case, I edited it to explain further

Hey I have my opinions about this present coaching staff, but my post was more in general.

I do not see players who are not executing as a free pass for coaches in general. After all that is why coaches get fired.

I do realize that when coaches have failed players did not execute.

 

[wileedog]

as far as peak vs. coming into their own - i'm not gonna go dig it up but i don't believe the D on 03 was all old guys about done.

I said they had peaked, not that they were done. And their peak wasn't near good enough when Woody, the best player on that defense by far, was forced to retire in 2004.

I did the homework for you, the only guys who still had a real chance to get significantly better were Roy and Newman.

Front 4:
Ellis
Glover
Stewart
Ekuban

LBs
Coakley
Dat
Singleton

DBs
Roy
Woodson
Newman
Edwards

Stewart, Ekuban and Edwards were never was's. Glover, Coakley and Woodson, arguably the 3 most talented guys on the squad, were in their down years or heading for them. Ellis, Dat and Singleton were playing as good as they ever would.

That leaves Roy and Newman as the only guys with any upside whatsoever.

 

[DipChit]

That '03 D did a nice job overall (if you can put aside a few whippings) but you couldnt have hardly had a better setup for success when it came to either playing bad QB/offenses and/or ones that werent otherwise playing well leading up to the game with us.

First game against Philly McNabb had 1 TD and 5 Int's after the first 4 games.

Then throw in guys like Jeff Blake, Vinnie, Harrington as a 2nd year player, Ramsay, and Bledsoe and the Bills who had scored all of 1 TD in their 3 previous road games combined.

How bout Jessie Palmer making his first start ever after the Giants were eliminated late. Hasselbecks brother.. doing basically the same as the Skins were out of it the 2nd time around.

Now admittedly they rose big time against N.E and T.B.. holding those two to 12 and 16. Course in those games our offense was shutout.

 

[iceberg]

I said they had peaked, not that they were done. And their peak wasn't near good enough when Woody, the best player on that defense by far, was forced to retire in 2004.

I did the homework for you, the only guys who still had a real chance to get significantly better were Roy and Newman.

Front 4:
Ellis
Glover
Stewart
Ekuban

LBs
Coakley
Dat
Singleton

DBs
Roy
Woodson
Newman
Edwards

Stewart, Ekuban and Edwards were never was's. Glover, Coakley and Woodson, arguably the 3 most talented guys on the squad, were in their down years or heading for them. Ellis, Dat and Singleton were playing as good as they ever would.

That leaves Roy and Newman as the only guys with any upside whatsoever.

great - but ekuban is still at least playing in denver i think. glover got picked up quickly - and as for all of our young and rising stars - all our youngsters are young and rising stars - just ask any fan.

we'll see what time does but i won't crown say spears now, ok?