Petrino on Zimmer

[texastwister]

I agree some is BP but yet Zimmer is mostly to blame because it was his problem before BP.

Lets not forget Jerry talked BP into retaining Zim and not letting him go to Nebraska and Zim pulled the wool over BPS eyes when he gave him th #1 defense in what his first year as HC. So BP trusted Zimmer.

 

[iceberg]

Wow that sounds simple.

Why can't the Cardinals or Browns figure that out?

cause they terminally suck.

we're a franchise who's not used to this - forgive me if i won't settle for it as if it's all we should hope for anymore.

it used to be superbowl or bust. now we're happy w/december meltdowns and quick exits in the playoffs cause it's a cool "rerun".

 

[Little Jr]

The best part of when I see a post including the words "a serious lack of football knowledge." is that I know the poster is a friggin idiot.

Zimms D had every single problem you described *before* Parcells came here.

Thanks for playing.

The "a serious lack of football knowledge." was a quote from Rac that I was just repeating. But thank you for the idiot remark.


Let me 1st say I have no problem with Zim being gone nor would I had a problem if he had stayed. The D will not change until BP is gone or changes his ways. Zim had the same problems with a lot less talent before BP arrived. BP is a control freak. Any game plan or lack there of was on BP. Anyone who thinks that Zim sat in his little DC office and game planed without a VERY LARGE input from BP is crazy. Does anyone really think the last 6 weeks of the season that BP watched game film and told Zim just keep what you're doing?

We either dont have as much talent on D as we thought or it isnt being used correctly. Either way it falls on BP. Bring in any DC you want but the D will be ran the way BP wants it. Which to me is a bad thing.

Look at Bal, Pitt, Miami, NE, and SD. Do they have more talent on D? 4 of them were in the top 5 of sacks in the NFL with Pitt being 11. I just dont see them having more talent than us. I see them having better game plans than us. Even if you think Zim was behind ALL the game plans then BP should had stepped in and changed it but he didnt. Which still falls on BP.

 

[Little Jr]

I have a question for the Zim supporters-


Only DC that teaches the DB not to look for the ball Only DC that has his DE play run first then look for pass. Wait till he tells Abraham he cant run around that corner 35 mph, that he must read the run first then try and get to the QB before he throws the 5 step drop.

Then why didnt BP change that? Maybe becasue he agreed. I dont know but he is the HC coach and he had Zim for 3 years. You would think if that wasnt BP's way of doing things he would get Zim to change it or get rid of Zim.

 

[texastwister]

BP trusted Zimmer. Zimmer gave BP the #1 defense his first year as HC if I remember maybe his second. Jerry told BP he wanted Zimmer to stay but Jerry is just as bad as us fans. Zimmer produced a defense that finished in the top ten for years. The problem is yds per game dont mean squat. Pts per game and turnovers are what matters. Jerry fell into the illusion that Zimmer was a good DC just like us fans. BP probably thought if Zimmer can put a team in the top ten in defense he must be pretty good.

In the article posted today Zimmer admits that he couldnt stop the bleeding once it started. Maybe he wasnt a 3-4 coach but tell me what is the difference in the secondary? You have 4 DB with LB dropping in coverage. That was the problem more than the pass rush. Maybe we didnt get pressure on some plays but there were too many open wr running routes with no Cowboy player in the picture.

It was the worst I've ever been through," Zimmer said Wednesday. "I couldn't figure it out. I was suicidal ... that's not a joke."

 

[CalCBFan]

Petrino said Monday he wants the Falcons to run a 4-3 defense. "One of my critical hires will be my defensive coordinator," Petrino said Monday. "It's certainly going to be very important to me. I want to be able to play the game very aggressive and be able to come after the quarterback. Obviously, you have to stop the run first."

Something tells me Petrino is in for a surprise.

I think Petrino's suprise will be pleasant, if indeed he is suprised. On the other hand, I think our suprise will be how good Zimmer really was before BP had to change everything around. As someone already posted, "Remember Sean Peyton"?...

 

[Rack]

I think Petrino's suprise will be pleasant, if indeed he is suprised. On the other hand, I think our suprise will be how good Zimmer really was before BP had to change everything around. As someone already posted, "Remember Sean Peyton"?...

1. Zimmer was crap before BP.

2. Peyton has Drew Brees, Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, and a solid OL. He never had that in Dallas, especially the QB part.

3. Our offense actually IMPROVED w/o Peyton.

 

[iceberg]

1. Zimmer was crap before BP.

2. Peyton has Drew Brees, Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, and a solid OL. He never had that in Dallas, especially the QB part.

3. Our offense actually IMPROVED w/o Peyton.

yea, all "crap" coaches produce a #1 defense at least once. it's kinda a hidden rule among all coaches that stick together in this conspiracy.

here, peyton had bp telling him what to do and pulling his strings. while he may have good ammo in NO, he knows what to do with it. UNLIKE bp...

yea, we know enough to judge totally here...

 

[wileedog]

yea, all "crap" coaches produce a #1 defense at least once. it's kinda a hidden rule among all coaches that stick together in this conspiracy.

He produced that #1 defense under Parcells.

So was Parcells telling Zimmer what to do or wasn't he?

here, peyton had bp telling him what to do and pulling his strings. while he may have good ammo in NO, he knows what to do with it. UNLIKE bp...

Yeah, I hate when our offense scores the 2nd most TDs in the league. We are so inept.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The problem is there are quite a few people not willing to let Zimmer to take all the blame for the defensive woes we have had.

that's right, the players deserve some of that too

whatever happened to execution?

it's funny, 2 coaches think Zimmer is a good coach, but a few knuckle-head fans don't

 

[LatinMind]

You might want to check your facts before you post nonsense like that.


How many sacks did our D have in 2000, 2001, and 2002?


How many since BP got here (per season)?

2001 4th defense overall
2002 18th
2003 1st overall

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1. Zimmer was crap before BP.

true, but let's examine this closely, using the rest of your post

2. Peyton has Drew Brees, Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, and a solid OL. He never had that in Dallas, especially the QB part.

and Zimmer has always had a solid Dline? pass-rushers? CBs? FS? I count 2 years of CBs, maybe pass-rushers, these last 2, when our D had the most turnovers and sacks in any 2 years

3. Our offense actually IMPROVED w/o Peyton.

you think maybe that has a little something to do w/ adding TO, which opened up the running game, jettisoning the old and slow LA for Kyle Kosier, Marc Columbo starting at OT, which allowed Witten to get into more pass-patterns? and then ultimately starting Romo in which our O's production increased substantially?

 

[DipChit]

Look at Bal, Pitt, Miami, NE, and SD. Do they have more talent on D? 4 of them were in the top 5 of sacks in the NFL with Pitt being 11. I just dont see them having more talent than us. I see them having better game plans than us. Even if you think Zim was behind ALL the game plans then BP should had stepped in and changed it but he didnt. Which still falls on BP.

I think they do have more talent than us in the front 7. All those teams had at least 8 sacks from their starting DE's for example. Pryce alone in Baltimore had 13.

Spears and Canty had 1 each.

Whats BP supposed to do about that.. morph Spears or anyone else into Leonard Marshall (who had double digit sacks most every year) with a magic wand?

And I doubt it's cause Zim said No no no Bill, I dont care if you think Spears could be that kind of player.. I insist they play the run first.. if it's a pass play then can just rest up and wait til the next play.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

2001 4th defense overall
2002 18th
2003 1st overall

More fuel to the fire that Stats dont mean anything.

That 2003 team played with fire and heart but nobody thought they actually had the #1 Defense in the NFL.

In 2001 you have to remember we got to play the Skins and Zona twice a year and the Giants were down that year too. I remember when we faced good teams we were exposed. I remember that year we lost to the Lions and Philly hung about 40 on our Defense.

- Mike G.

 

[big dog cowboy]

As someone already posted, "Remember Sean Peyton"?...

Yes I do. He didn't impress me one bit while he was here either. Our success this year was done with TO instead of Key and Romo replacing Stonehenge. Peyton didn't have either player back then.

 

[big dog cowboy]

yea, all "crap" coaches produce a #1 defense at least once.

The #1 defense thing is really overblown. His so called #1 D was a bend but don't break, non turnover producing non sack producing D that can't win championships. We are a better team without him.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yes I do. He didn't impress me one bit while he was here either. Our success this year was done with TO instead of Key and Romo replacing Stonehenge. Peyton didn't have either player back then.

I think SP was a good coordinator, but I thinik like Zimmer, he was given his marching orders by you know who and he stuck to it.

I cant stand Terrell Owens but by gawd, the guy injected about 15 TDs into this offense, double coverage schemes to stop him and we had a mobile, young and hungry QB.

I get goosebumps just thinking about Sean Peyton having free reign over our Offense.

- Mike G.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I see noone wants to touch the execution factor

 

[wileedog]

I see noone wants to touch the execution factor

That one doesn't fit into anyone's agenda.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Execution?

Guys not knowing where to line up (that happened about 4 times during the Seattle Game), a lack of basic knowledge about how to handle the Fullback, constantly blitzing up the middle and to only have your players get stuck in the middle.

Alot of that is on the coaching staff.

The players are like Robots and they seemed to have been robbed of their instincts.


There was a lack of creativity and adjustments on the coaching staff once New Orleans exposed us, PERIOD, end of subject.

Give Belichek, Jim Johnson or LeBeau this talented defense and it is almost certain you get better results.

- Mike G.