Peyton - 96 games before a playoff win... Tony is at...

[theebs]

Key point.

He has not progressed the last two seasons. He has become what Bill Parcells spent years trying to navigate him away from. He needs better guidance. Once he gets that, he will be truly as elite as the fanbase believes he is.

To be fair to romo. He has said repeatedly that this offense is built around being aggressive and taking chances. He was quoted as saying in the spring that this offense needs him to fit balls into small windows down the field to have success.

So if that is the mindset that means someone is encouraging him to take those chances and throw the ball down the field.

Its not an excuse, if you have a checkdown you have to take it more times then not, but if he is instructed to go out and sling it then it is hard to say he regressed, but if they stress to him like they should about taking the easy stuff and just not turning the ball over, then he needs more patience.

and most importantly the last three defenses put alot of pressure on him and didnt really give him a chance to see the field, especially when he has to make people miss and then rescan the field for a wr. The timing gets thrown off and he has to get reset. Most quarterbacks would just go down in the pocket, romo survives long enough so that people can jump him for missing open wr.

and he has a lunatic in the huddle with him who never stops pouting about getting the ball and doesnt seem to give the same effort every down. And across from him we have a guy who doenst seem to run the routes correctly. There was a point in the game saturday where laufenberg said during the broadcast that he had no idea what routes roy williams was running and if he didnt know how could romo? This is now two weeks in a row babe has made that comment that he has no idea what williams and owens are doing sometimes and that it appears they are freelancing constantly.

so if that is happening, romo has to basically figure out what these guys are doing while dodging open rushers and compensating for his injuries. that is why everyone jumping on him irritates me. Blame the whole offense not just him, although he does throw too many balls into tight spots, but see above why I think that is.

 

[Wrangler87]

We should use the Romo/Peyton outlook on many things... If 2 students have all of a sudden have poor grades, according to the Romo/Peyton rules we should treat the typical "A" student, this case the number 1 overall pick in the draft much like the C student, Tony Romo who did not get drafted by anyone...


Romo and his fans remind me of Hambrick and his fans...

I thought we were all Romo fans?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just get in the playoffs, I don't give a DAMN who we play!

 

[Skin]

To be fair to romo. He has said repeatedly that this offense is built around being aggressive and taking chances. He was quoted as saying in the spring that this offense needs him to fit balls into small windows down the field to have success.

So if that is the mindset that means someone is encouraging him to take those chances and throw the ball down the field.

Its not an excuse, if you have a checkdown you have to take it more times then not, but if he is instructed to go out and sling it then it is hard to say he regressed, but if they stress to him like they should about taking the easy stuff and just not turning the ball over, then he needs more patience.

and most importantly the last three defenses put alot of pressure on him and didnt really give him a chance to see the field, especially when he has to make people miss and then rescan the field for a wr. The timing gets thrown off and he has to get reset. Most quarterbacks would just go down in the pocket, romo survives long enough so that people can jump him for missing open wr.

and he has a lunatic in the huddle with him who never stops pouting about getting the ball and doesnt seem to give the same effort every down. And across from him we have a guy who doenst seem to run the routes correctly. There was a point in the game saturday where laufenberg said during the broadcast that he had no idea what routes roy williams was running and if he didnt know how could romo? This is now two weeks in a row babe has made that comment that he has no idea what williams and owens are doing sometimes and that it appears they are freelancing constantly.

so if that is happening, romo has to basically figure out what these guys are doing while dodging open rushers and compensating for his injuries. that is why everyone jumping on him irritates me. Blame the whole offense not just him, although he does throw too many balls into tight spots, but see above why I think that is.

Thank you for posting this. I think that at times many fans just assume that Romo is the only guy making mistakes. It doesn't take a genius to see that Roy11 is lost half the time. IMHO, they should play Crayton more and Roy less this year. At least Crayton knows the offense. Williams needs a training camp.

TO is TO. He is a great athlete, but he has never been a great route runner. When you are running an offense that calls for precision, sloppy routes (and iffy hands) will kill you.

For all the pouting about how Romo throws into coverage at times (and no, I am not defending those two picks), check out the catch that Witten made down the seam with a guy draped all over him. Great players make great plays. Watch Andre Johnson play some time. He constantly bails out his QB by making catches in traffic and with guys all over him. Tony needs that type of WR. I hope that Roy can be that guy.

 

[jimmy40]

39...

I'm not dismissing his up and down performances, his ball security or his maturity level. They all need to improve. But I am willing to give him two things. Time and the benefit of the doubt.

Honestly, would you bet $5,000 on the over at 96 on number of games before Tony wins his first playoff game?

Not me.

Isn't this Romo's 6th year in the league? That would make Sunday's game his 96th?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Isn't this Romo's 6th year in the league? That would make Sunday's game his 96th?

He hasn't played 96 games. He was inactive most of those games.

 

[jimmy40]

He hasn't played 96 games. He was inactive most of those games.

That's Peyton's fault?

 

[Givincer]

That's Peyton's fault?

It's no one's fault that games he was inactive for are irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[YosemiteSam]

That's Peyton's fault?

What does that mean? Peyton "PLAYED IN" 96 games before his playoff win. Thats 96 NFL games of experience. Thats almost 60 more games of experience than Romo has. (over twice as many)

Anyhow, why are you protecting Peyton? This isn't about Peyton, he was only used as a measuring stick for Romo I believe. (I probably should read through the thread more before making that statement)

 

[jimmy40]

What does that mean? Peyton "PLAYED IN" 96 games before his playoff win. Thats 96 NFL games of experience. Thats almost 60 more games of experience than Romo has. (over twice as many)

Anyhow, why are you protecting Peyton? This isn't about Peyton, he was only used as a measuring stick for Romo I believe. (I probably should read through the thread more before making that statement)

It's all about Peyton, someone wants to start a thread building up Romo by downing Peyton then deal with the other side of the argument. Not Peyton's fault Romo wasn't good enough to play on a team with Quincy as QB. Where in the thread title does it say games played? Where in the original post does the bet say games played? It doesn't and we all know why.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

So we are projected to win our first playoff game 3+ years down the road?

How long is Romo's contract?

How long before we win SB? Is it in the same year he wins his first playoff game?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

39...

I'm not dismissing his up and down performances, his ball security or his maturity level. They all need to improve. But I am willing to give him two things. Time and the benefit of the doubt.

Honestly, would you bet $5,000 on the over at 96 on number of games before Tony wins his first playoff game?

Not me.

It's amazing when you put some of these things into perspective. Unfortunately the haters aren't going to care. They've already got it in their heads that every QB should come out playing championship level football right from the first time they step on the field. Nevermind that it takes time, and experience, to get that good cause that takes too much knowledge and understanding of football to wrap their brains around.

It's just easier to say "God he sucks. He's never going to win anything cause he hasn't done it yet."


I wonder how different the Niners, Steelers, Colts, and Cowboys histories would have been if coaches and owners listened to ignorant fans and got rid of Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Peyton Manning, and Troy Aikman cause they weren't perfect from the start.

 

[YosemiteSam]

So we are projected to win our first playoff game 3+ years down the road?

As a Dallas Cowboy, you're expected to win your first during your rookie season.

How long is Romo's contract?

Irrelavant.

How long before we win SB? Is it in the same year he wins his first playoff game?

First year, yes. Sould it be any other way?

 

[Givincer]

It's all about Peyton, someone wants to start a thread building up Romo by downing Peyton then deal with the other side of the argument. Not Peyton's fault Romo wasn't good enough to play on a team with Quincy as QB. Where in the thread title does it say games played? Where in the original post does the bet say games played? It doesn't and we all know why.

Because most people realize "games played" is implied?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thank you for posting this. I think that at times many fans just assume that Romo is the only guy making mistakes. It doesn't take a genius to see that Roy11 is lost half the time. IMHO, they should play Crayton more and Roy less this year. At least Crayton knows the offense. Williams needs a training camp.

TO is TO. He is a great athlete, but he has never been a great route runner. When you are running an offense that calls for precision, sloppy routes (and iffy hands) will kill you.

For all the pouting about how Romo throws into coverage at times (and no, I am not defending those two picks), check out the catch that Witten made down the seam with a guy draped all over him. Great players make great plays. Watch Andre Johnson play some time. He constantly bails out his QB by making catches in traffic and with guys all over him. Tony needs that type of WR. I hope that Roy can be that guy.

Good post.

And on the thread title... Romo is more than good enough to win a playoff game. That's obvious. And with his contract, he's going to be our QB for a long time anyway. I look forward to many years of complaints about him while he continues to win games for us.

Oh, and... Minnesota's defense is better than Chicago's. I know what the reputation is for the Bears, but check the stats.

 

[theebs]

Thank you for posting this. I think that at times many fans just assume that Romo is the only guy making mistakes. It doesn't take a genius to see that Roy11 is lost half the time. IMHO, they should play Crayton more and Roy less this year. At least Crayton knows the offense. Williams needs a training camp.

TO is TO. He is a great athlete, but he has never been a great route runner. When you are running an offense that calls for precision, sloppy routes (and iffy hands) will kill you.

For all the pouting about how Romo throws into coverage at times (and no, I am not defending those two picks), check out the catch that Witten made down the seam with a guy draped all over him. Great players make great plays. Watch Andre Johnson play some time. He constantly bails out his QB by making catches in traffic and with guys all over him. Tony needs that type of WR. I hope that Roy can be that guy.

I couldnt agree more. And I would like to see austin out there more personally. he is dynamic and appears to know where he is going and romo trusts him. I would like to see the ball go to crayton more also.

but most of us know the media will bash romo and the fans will follow the media, just like when he is playing shaky and barber or witten bails him out and the media credits romo the fans will too.

I really am at a loss to undersand why people jump on romo so much. this organization needs to spend most of its resources this offseason finding a way to make sure he is protected better.

 

[Skin]

I couldnt agree more. And I would like to see austin out there more personally. he is dynamic and appears to know where he is going and romo trusts him. I would like to see the ball go to crayton more also.

but most of us know the media will bash romo and the fans will follow the media, just like when he is playing shaky and barber or witten bails him out and the media credits romo the fans will too.

I really am at a loss to undersand why people jump on romo so much. this organization needs to spend most of its resources this offseason finding a way to make sure he is protected better.

I really like Miles Austin as well and would love to see him on the field more. If he can stay healthy, I think he'll do great things.

Your last point about the protection is absolutely dead on the money. They have to overhaul the offensive system to ensure that Romo is not getting killed every other play. They also need to "churn" our back-up OL. Kosier is solid, Holland looks like he could be solid, but the Procters and Bergers of the world need to find employment elsewhere.

 

[Alexander]

He hasn't played 96 games. He was inactive most of those games.

Romo is 26 right now. He's had around 40 starts. By the time he plays 96 games (another three and a half years), he will be right around 30 and possibly heading past his athletic prime. I don't see him being the same kind of player when he's 32. At least not the way he plays now. He will have to settle down and learn how to mature otherwise we will have another Favre, just not as gifted.

He's got a late start and has a shorter shelf life than Manning, who has performed at a higher level longer and won playoff games by his sixth season. I really wish people would drop the comparison because it simply isn't applicable. It's an excuse.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Romo is 26 right now. He's had around 40 starts. By the time he plays 96 games (another three and a half years), he will be right around 30 and possibly heading past his athletic prime. I don't see him being the same kind of player when he's 32. At least not the way he plays now. He will have to settle down and learn how to mature otherwise we will have another Favre, just not as gifted.

He's got a late start and has a shorter shelf life than Manning, who has performed at a higher level longer and won playoff games by his sixth season. I really wish people would drop the comparison because it simply isn't applicable. It's an excuse.

Playing QB is about protection. When Romo has protection he destorys even the best defenses. Peyton is 32 right now and he is an NFL MVP candidate. Everyone is looking at Cassell right now saying he is gone after this year. A HUGE reason he is having success. He is getting protection from his offensive line. Everyone likes to talk about how Tom Brady maybe the best QB ever. Put him on the Rams and people will be calling for a QB change.

My point, if Romo has a Pro Bowl caliber offensive line for the next 6 years, people will probably start debating if his credentials (which could include SBs) are HoF caliber.

 

[Alexander]

Playing QB is about protection. When Romo has protection he destorys even the best defenses. Peyton is 32 right now and he is an NFL MVP candidate. Everyone is looking at Cassell right now saying he is gone after this year. A HUGE reason he is having success. He is getting protection from his offensive line. Everyone likes to talk about how Tom Brady maybe the best QB ever. Put him on the Rams and people will be calling for a QB change.

My point, if Romo has a Pro Bowl caliber offensive line for the next 6 years, people will probably start debating if his credentials (which could include SBs) are HoF caliber.

If you can, recite for me how many Pro Bowlers have come out of Brady or Manning led teams? Romo has no less talent on the offensive line than any of them. If fact, I think he's had more if you use Pro Bowls as a criteria. I don't see him playing behind lines comprised of low draft choices and street free agents like much of Manning's line in Indianapolis has been.

The offensive line isn't doing him any favors certainly, but to believe he has to have an all-star line is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as thinking he'd be even better with two All Pro WRs.

He is still the one who has to make the best decisions and prepare correctly. I don't seem him to the level of preparation that you see out of Manning and Brady. Sorry, but it is not there yet.

He's got more than enough talent around him to be consistent. It is almost embarassing he's got 3/5ths of a "Pro Bowl" line and yet we have to assume he needs two more?