Peyton - 96 games before a playoff win... Tony is at...

[Maikeru-sama]

If you can, recite for me how many Pro Bowlers have come out of Brady or Manning led teams? Romo has no less talent on the offensive line than any of them. If fact, I think he's had more if you use Pro Bowls as a criteria. I don't see him playing behind lines comprised of low draft choices and street free agents like much of Manning's line in Indianapolis has been.

The offensive line isn't doing him any favors certainly, but to believe he has to have an all-star line is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as thinking he'd be even better with two All Pro WRs.

He is still the one who has to make the best decisions and prepare correctly. I don't seem him to the level of preparation that you see out of Manning and Brady. Sorry, but it is not there yet.

He's got more than enough talent around him to be consistent. It is almost embarassing he's got 3/5ths of a "Pro Bowl" line and yet we have to assume he needs two more?

Also, even though the Cowboys defenses that Tony Romo has had have been medicore, I don't think they were ever as atrocious as those Colts defenses were when Peyton Manning was trying to win his first Playoff Game.

I remember that Chiefs/Colts Playoff game a few years ago when both defenses were so bad that each team decided to go for it on 4th down the majority of the game.

Peyton Manning's competition in the AFC has probably been alot strong too.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If you can, recite for me how many Pro Bowlers have come out of Brady or Manning led teams? Romo has no less talent on the offensive line than any of them. If fact, I think he's had more if you use Pro Bowls as a criteria. I don't see him playing behind lines comprised of low draft choices and street free agents like much of Manning's line in Indianapolis has been.

You want to compare offensive lines? Look at Romo's stats. He has had enough protection to put up STUPID numbers. Anyway.

It goes both ways. How many Pro Bowlers on the dominating defense of Dallas Cowboys team of the 90s who won 3 Superbowl.

Sometimes credit just isn't given. Fans vote is mostly popularity. The best players don't always go. Pro Bowl caliber players don't always make it. (because of fans, or just by other better players)

When I said Pro Bowll caliber players, I mean players that are actually playing at a very high level. I don't mean DeAngelo Hall type Pro Bowlers. btw, both of those teams you're talking about had Pro Bowlers.

• Tarik Glenn (Colts)
• Jeff Saturday (Colts)
• Matt Light (Patriots)

Of course, like I said. Just because a player doesn't make the Pro Bowl, doesn't mean they aren't Pro Bowl caliber.

 

[MONT17]

the Romo defense will go down the drain with his play... he is not much of a leader! the cat is out of the bag and Romo knows it, you can see it on his face during pregame... dont get me wrong ROMO is fun to wathc but so is Chad johnson!


Romo fans say he is not having fun and its true at times he looks like a 4th grader who just lost his lunch money! Not sure more probowlers can help him with that...

 

[Idgit]

If you can, recite for me how many Pro Bowlers have come out of Brady or Manning led teams? Romo has no less talent on the offensive line than any of them. If fact, I think he's had more if you use Pro Bowls as a criteria. I don't see him playing behind lines comprised of low draft choices and street free agents like much of Manning's line in Indianapolis has been.

The offensive line isn't doing him any favors certainly, but to believe he has to have an all-star line is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as thinking he'd be even better with two All Pro WRs.

He is still the one who has to make the best decisions and prepare correctly. I don't seem him to the level of preparation that you see out of Manning and Brady. Sorry, but it is not there yet.

He's got more than enough talent around him to be consistent. It is almost embarassing he's got 3/5ths of a "Pro Bowl" line and yet we have to assume he needs two more?

It's not the talent. It the OL execution. When they're repeatedly missing stunts and can't pick up delayed blitzes. When LBs are coming in free off the edge, they're not doing their jobs. And it doesn't matter how many probowlers are there. Add to that that the QB didn't identify enough open receivers, and that he missed on two open long balls, and that the WRs have quit on routes and aren't contesting the ball on bad throws, and you've got a TE and a RB who are playing well on offense.

 

[Rampage]

Thank you for posting this. I think that at times many fans just assume that Romo is the only guy making mistakes. It doesn't take a genius to see that Roy11 is lost half the time. IMHO, they should play Crayton more and Roy less this year. At least Crayton knows the offense. Williams needs a training camp.

TO is TO. He is a great athlete, but he has never been a great route runner. When you are running an offense that calls for precision, sloppy routes (and iffy hands) will kill you.

For all the pouting about how Romo throws into coverage at times (and no, I am not defending those two picks), check out the catch that Witten made down the seam with a guy draped all over him. Great players make great plays. Watch Andre Johnson play some time. He constantly bails out his QB by making catches in traffic and with guys all over him. Tony needs that type of WR. I hope that Roy can be that guy.

the guy is a joke if that's true. Chris Chambers didn't need a training camp with Philip Rivers last year.

 

[magic-sword]

39...

I'm not dismissing his up and down performances, his ball security or his maturity level. They all need to improve. But I am willing to give him two things. Time and the benefit of the doubt.

Honestly, would you bet $5,000 on the over at 96 on number of games before Tony wins his first playoff game?

Not me.

What does that have to do with anything as far as winning a playoff game?

Ben Roethlisberger won the super Bowl his second year in the league. Matt Hasselback won in 7 years. Steve McNair 6 six years. Kurt Warner in one season. Brad Johson took six years in Washington (his 2nd team) then got shipped off to Tampa and took a total of ten years and three teams to win a Super Bowl. Rex Grossman took 4 years.

Last time I checked it's a team sport - the more you hurt your team the worse the chances are. The better you AND the team play the better your chances.

Romo, The Oline, the secondary and special teams does not have maturity or leadership to win a big game without hurting the team - how long will it take? Who knows?

Want a clue - Titans BEAT the Steelers because they won at all phases of the game - Dallas is sustained on mostly one at a time during the game. Dallas beats NYG WHEN they are missing Jacobs and Plax. on a great run by a rookie, Dallas loses on back to back runs for over 70 yards and Romo thorws two picks and they run a ton of three and outs.

Dallas can't close the deal.

 

[Alexander]

You want to compare offensive lines? Look at Romo's stats. He has had enough protection to put up STUPID numbers. Anyway.

It goes both ways. How many Pro Bowlers on the dominating defense of Dallas Cowboys team of the 90s who won 3 Superbowl.

Sometimes credit just isn't given. Fans vote is mostly popularity. The best players don't always go. Pro Bowl caliber players don't always make it. (because of fans, or just by other better players)

When I said Pro Bowll caliber players, I mean players that are actually playing at a very high level. I don't mean DeAngelo Hall type Pro Bowlers. btw, both of those teams you're talking about had Pro Bowlers.

• Tarik Glenn (Colts)
• Jeff Saturday (Colts)
• Matt Light (Patriots)

Of course, like I said. Just because a player doesn't make the Pro Bowl, doesn't mean they aren't Pro Bowl caliber.

So hold on. You are basically telling me that a line comprised of Jeff Saturday and a collection of average talents is better than one with three very expensive starters (Adams, Leonard Davis, Gurode)?

3 out of 5 quality linemen is more than enough for any QB to put up consistent production.

Lump in an All Pro TE and two WRs to boot, what more does he need? I'd love to see Tony Romo take a line like the Patriots had in their three Super Bowls and throw to the likes of Deion Branch, David Givens and Troy Brown. That would be amusing to say the least.

 

[Alexander]

Chris Chambers didn't need a training camp with Philip Rivers last year.

Well, be fair. I think Norv Turner knows how to utilize the talent at his disposal better than Jason Garrett.

 

[Rampage]

Well, be fair. I think Norv Turner knows how to utilize the talent at his disposal better than Jason Garrett.

Philip Rivers is also a better qb than Romo.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Philip Rivers is also a better qb than Romo.

Is he?

 

[Alexander]

It's not the talent.

That's basically what I was saying. Yet you have some that want to believe if we just douse Romo with a better OL talent then things will change. It was that same sort of bad logic that led Jones to throwing draft choices at a player like Roy Williams who nobody can even get involved.

The coaching has to improve and the players have to execute. That alone still won't make Romo make the best decisions with the football. That's his burden.

 

[Alexander]

Is he?

He makes smarter decisions and is a leader. If that makes him better, so be it.

 

[jterrell]

true championship teams can beat anyone in any type weather.

i'm an industrial electrician who works in the weather ten hours a day....
12 months a year.



i make 25 a hour.

not 5 million a year.

what does not kill you makes you stronger.

then why are you so weak??
hehehe. just kidding man but that was so wide open

 

[YosemiteSam]

So hold on. You are basically telling me that a line comprised of Jeff Saturday and a collection of average talents is better than one with three very expensive starters (Adams, Leonard Davis, Gurode)?

3 out of 5 quality linemen is more than enough for any QB to put up consistent production.

Lump in an All Pro TE and two WRs to boot, what more does he need? I'd love to see Tony Romo take a line like the Patriots had in their three Super Bowls and throw to the likes of Deion Branch, David Givens and Troy Brown. That would be amusing to say the least.

First off, the Pats line isn't filled with a bunch of *average talents*. Secondly, they play better as a cohesive unit than the Cowboys line does. We are hoping Houck can fix that.

btw, Tom Brady is better than Romo.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Philip Rivers is also a better qb than Romo.

No, he is not.

 

[Skin]

the guy is a joke if that's true. Chris Chambers didn't need a training camp with Philip Rivers last year.

So now it's the Chris Chambers diversion. Well, Chambers did come out of the Cam Cameron system in Miami, so that helped him ease into things since Norv and Cameron run very similar systems.

Also, could you help me out and tell me who the top WR for SD was last year? Oh that's right, their other receivers sucked and they didn't have an established number one. We do, by the way. For some reason, I think that Chambers numbers might have been lower had San Diego employed, say TO. With Jason Witten, Crayton, TO, Bennett, Barber and Choice out of the backfield, Roy's numbers are not going to be huge, particularly coming in at mid-year into our muddled offensive system.

I am not letting anyone off the hook, including the coaching staff, but IMO the Chambers comparison doesn't prove anything.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

LOL! I love how the comparison to Manning doesn't apply, or count, simply because it doesn't feed the agenda that Romo isn't a winner and never will be. That's hilarious.

Like I've said a million times before apparently the Niners, Steelers, Colts, Cowboys, Packers, and Broncos should have gotten rid of Young, Bradshaw, Manning, Aikman, Favre, and Elway before they ever won their first big playoff game cause, clearly, those guys sucked too. I mean they didn't win right away so how could they have possibly EVER went on to win any big games.

 

[lane]

then why are you so weak??
hehehe. just kidding man but that was so wide open

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gy-Cq75BWY

 

[Pokes12]

The chances of our beating the Eagles this weekend are remote. We couldn't beat the Ravens in Dallas on closing day of Texas Stadium. How are we going to beat the Eagles in Philly, a place we historically play lousy in.

 

[ajk23az]

Peyton was only 27 years old in 2003, when he won his first playoff game.

Romo is already 28 years old. If the Cowboys win this coming Sunday, I really do think Romo will beat the Bears or Vikings though.

Romo is also at 40 games though. Well behind Peyton but still.