PFF Gives Dak Bad Grade

[deadrody]

Exactly right.

Some are taking the PFF grade as a personal insult.

Dak had some bad moments and did enough good things to come out of GB with a win.

The kid is just a rookie... He's going to have some rough moments.

This is so funny. You guys act like it was a 1 point game. It wasn't. The offense put up THIRTY in a game you claim Dak was "iffy". And won by 2 TDs and it wasn't even that close. Winning by a FG is "escaping with a win" which is the kind of language you guys are basically using.

 

[deadrody]

The defense won this game, Dak nearly lost it.

That's easily one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Furthermore, Rodgers was just bad. Does the defense get credit for him overthrowing Cobb in the endzone when he was WIDE open ? Does Church and the defense really get credit for simply catching a ball Rodgers threw right to him ?

The idea that this was a close game that Dak's ineffectiveness almost cost them is laughable.

 

[mattjames2010]

That's easily one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

2 fumbles, one recovered by the defense. One INT at the what our 15 yard line? Not sure he "almost lost it", but he put our defense in a lot of bad spots yesterday.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

This is so funny. You guys act like it was a 1 point game. It wasn't. The offense put up THIRTY in a game you claim Dak was "iffy". And won by 2 TDs and it wasn't even that close. Winning by a FG is "escaping with a win" which is the kind of language you guys are basically using.

Not hardly.

It's a team game and the win was the result of many parts that came together that created the 14 point win.

Did all of those parts perform at the same level? Of course not.

Some did better than others.

 

[jobberone]

Yes, broader stats (TDs, Ints, yards, etc) tend to mean more to me. I think football is the type of game that, if you get too deep into the stats, you miss the larger picture. And while I didn't "chart and grade" every snap, I watched both players and feel confident in saying that Dak way outperformed Wentz. And I think it's cute that you think PFF spends so much time charting and analyzing -- their rating for Dak came out like 20 minutes after the game.

You're comparing apples and oranges. There is nothing wrong with your use of the stats and overall picture. I do the same with my overall analysis of the team and each player. But PFF and other sites like it delve into it deeper and that colors a different picture at times. For me it enhances my view of the game and I just plug that into the computer for the overall results.

There is no right or wrong way to use them although there are valid reasons to look at each snap in depth IMO. It depends on how deep you want to go into the rabbit hole.

You can't turn the ball over twice and expect people to ooh and aah over your performance. And the other fumble recovered I believe killed a drive. The INT may have been on Dak or Witten or both. The fumble recovered is on Dak. The other fumble is on him and the OL.

The fact we won does not impede or make unimportant the results of an in depth analysis of the game. There are many variables which made up the win including a subpar performance by Rodgers.

Don't conflate the two issues or set of values.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You're comparing apples and oranges. There is nothing wrong with your use of the stats and overall picture. I do the same with my overall analysis of the team and each player. But PFF and other sites like it delve into it deeper and that colors a different picture at times. For me it enhances my view of the game and I just plug that into the computer for the overall results.

There is no right or wrong way to use them although there are valid reasons to look at each snap in depth IMO. It depends on how deep you want to go into the rabbit hole.

You can't turn the ball over twice and expect people to ooh and aah over your performance. And the other fumble recovered I believe killed a drive. The INT may have been on Dak or Witten or both. The fumble recovered is on Dak. The other fumble is on him and the OL.

The fact we won does not impede or make unimportant the results of an in depth analysis of the game. There are many variables which made up the win including a subpar performance by Rodgers.

Don't conflate the two issues or set of values.

If I could give you more likes than Risen Star I would.

 

[jobberone]

If I could give you more likes than Risen Star I would.

All you need is love.....***my best Beatles voice***

 

[AdamJT13]

How about developing your own metric instead of picking away at someone else's? That's the thing, anyone can find a flaw and deride the metric. Very rarely does anyone have the capacity to actually make a better one or understand the limitations of the data or the parameters in which PFF has to work.

I think the fact 9 or so different NFL teams think that PFF's data is worthwhile and meaningful enough to use says a lot.

Like I said, the data is worthwhile. The grades are garbage.

 

[lockster]

He stood in the pocket too long and didn't hit his checkdown. His getting hit in the process was certainly his fault there. Statistically he gets away with it being a fumble rather than an interception, but that was entirely on him.

I'm not saying he isn't playing well or playing well for a rookie, but people are suggesting he replace a top 5 QB. I think it's ridiculous. Had we lost this game, if we had the poor teams we've had in the past, and Romo made these mistakes he would have been tarred and feathered.

Dak's mistakes here were worse than Romo's as they were all unforced to a degree. He could have hit that checkdown and he just let the ball slip out of his hands. The interception was on a very bad pass, and he got away with a couple others.

Listen, I love what Dak has done, but you can't be blind to his mistakes. That wasn't a good game for him grade wise and shouldn't have received a high grade, but yes he did enough to win. I personally want Romo back sooner than later, but very very glad we have Dak. Elliot and other guys added has made this team a better team than last year, at least on offense.

I like Romo as a person, I hate him as the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. I said that 5 years ago and that will never change. Why? Because he is a bona fide choker. He doesn't have the stomach for Super Bowls. He is a small school overachiever that's it. He will Razzle and Dazzle you in the regular season and fade away like a coward in the playoffs. How do I know this? Because he's done it. The very few times he's actually made the playoffs he simply withering away like a little flower.

You guys say these things about Romo while failing to realize this is a team game and there's so many other factors. If we wouldn't have had Romo all these years we'd found ourselves occupying the basement every year for years because that's how bad our team was.

 

[Clove]

Listen, I love what Dak has done, but you can't be blind to his mistakes. That wasn't a good game for him grade wise and shouldn't have received a high grade, but yes he did enough to win. I personally want Romo back sooner than later, but very very glad we have Dak. Elliot and other guys added has made this team a better team than last year, at least on offense.


You guys say these things about Romo while failing to realize this is a team game and there's so many other factors. If we wouldn't have had Romo all these years we'd found ourselves occupying the basement every year for years because that's how bad our team was.

what's the difference between a 1 + 15 team and a 15 + 1 team who doesn't make the Super Bowl? Nothing.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Why not use a per-play rating, or weight the rankings for playing time or even break up the rankings into tiers by playing time? It's nonsense to see one player rated higher than another simply because the first player isn't good enough to get on the field as much.



How about recognizing the flaws in the weighting of their grades and fixing them? How about modifying their rating system to provide a wider range of grades? How about weighting plays by situation? How about hiring people with expertise? How about incorporating objective data into the grading system? How about taking into account the way players are used differently? There are so many ways that the ratings could be improved, and those are but a few.

You're right, that no system is perfect. But PFF's grading system is about as far from perfect as it could get.

I am going to have to disagree with you here. I think we have a different take on what PFF is trying to do. None of your suggested improvements really fix anything. They just change what you're trying to capture. You're asking them to add box score metrics into their grade, which is the exact opposite of what they're doing. There are some advanced box score metrics you might like more than the PFF grade, but I very much appreciate that that's not what PFF is doing.

 

[Tabascocat]

what's the difference between a 1 + 15 team and a 15 + 1 team who doesn't make the Super Bowl? Nothing.

An enjoyable holiday season?

 

[Chuck 54]

Who cares about grades and rankings?

Who cares about the occasional int or fumble?

Dak had some perfectly clean games with no TDs; yesterday he had a lost fumble and an INT, but he also threw 3 TDs and took some shots.

We won going away. I'll take that any day. To be honest, if we keep winning, I'm fine without Dak getting top billing. I'm fine keeping his contract and future contracts under control. Just win the game in any way possible. I could care less about stars. To be honest, despite all we've seen from Dak and Elliott, this is a team game, and right now we have team chemistry playing just as big a role as those rookies.

 

[Chuck 54]

what's the difference between a 1 + 15 team and a 15 + 1 team who doesn't make the Super Bowl? Nothing.

Wow...I see the point you're making, but it's still ridiculous.
I lived through every game of Jimmy's first year at 1-15, and believe me, 5-11, 8-8, even missing the playoffs, are all different. The SB isn't the only thing.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

2 fumbles and 1 int. 1st Peppers knocking the ball out of his hands, 2nd fumble had the ball out on the bootleg and then of course the pass behind Witten that was picked.

Again, 1 fumble lost.

 

[Clove]

Wow...I see the point you're making, but it's still ridiculous.
I lived through every game of Jimmy's first year at 1-15, and believe me, 5-11, 8-8, even missing the playoffs, are all different. The SB isn't the only thing.

Tell me what's more important than the Super Bowl?

 

[Risen Star]

I would give Dak a C for yesterday, he did some good things and he did some very bad things. Lucky for him, the QB on the other team did more bad things and thus we were able to win the game. But his play yesterday was not as good as it has been. He actually looked like a Rookie at points in that game.

My grades so far for him per game....

Giants: D
Commanders D+
Bears C-
49ers D+
Bengals: D
Packers D-

I'm grading him on a rookie curve. Drop it down a letter grade for a veteran.

 

[jobberone]

what's the difference between a 1 + 15 team and a 15 + 1 team who doesn't make the Super Bowl? Nothing.

That's a patently absurd statement.

 

[Clove]

That's a patently absurd statement.

I said it, I meant it.

 

[Section446]

He had a rough game, still a ridiculous rookie.