watson and jackson should not be in the top 10, they should be in the bottom 2, especially jackson he is garbage
Not me.
I'm not a Dak detractor.
This reply was about Stafford and I'm telling you he has mostly played on very crappy teams and he is very, very good.
And if anything, he has been underrated over his career.
Now, he is a bit older now, but I still expect him to be very good this year...
We for sure will have to agree to disagree on this one.....which is fine.
not much different than dak, basically the same player and they both are very good qbs not elite..That’s is what I said. Maybe a remedial reading course and coffee?
I'm telling you: I got a great grinder and use a pour over Chemex and coffee has never been the same.Get some coffee. Might help you cognitively as well.
Stafford underachieved at Georgia too.The Lions have one playoff win since 1957. Stafford has been a stud and is tough. It’s not a Stafford issue, it’s a Lions issue.
Dan marino made those WRs, neither of who could smell HOF.....he didn't have Calvin Johnson.Did you know that between 1986 and 1991 Dan Marino won 10 games a total of... 1 time? And he only missed 4 games in that stretch so that wasnt the reason. His team's lone playoff appearance in that time was that 10+ win season. So why is Marino seen as this passing savant when he had good defenses in that stretch, he had good receivers, decent O-lines? We'll get to that in a second.
Firstly, 2018. Yardage-wise, they were top 10. But that's misleading, teams don't need to run up and down the field when they can abuse your defense early to big leads. Detroit was 17th in points allowed, that's a major disconnect from yardage. Secondly, that year they had major O-line problems. In the super bowl, when Mahome's line was down with injuries, and his team only scored nine points, does that mean Mahomes is no longer great? only 9 points. TB D is good, but it's not THAT good. Oline means something to Mahomes and it means something to stafford, as per PFF:
What had the makings of a promising offensive line fell apart fairly quickly in Detroit. T.J. Lang only managed 282 snaps before ending up on IR, while Frank Ragnow was all over the map as a rookie. The Lions' first-rounder ended up with the 10th most pressures allowed of any guard.
Then that corresponds with Detroit having the 23rd rushing attack in the NFL. You cannot simply say "If he has a defense, a QB must bring a team to the playoffs". Maybe that's the case for Mahomes, for Brady, but no one is campaigning to put them in that league. Oline mattters. Run game to take pressure off the QB matters.
Now back to Marino. Why is it the later 80's, early 90's he was putting up stats, his teams were pretty good, but his record didn't reflect that? Because he was unlucky enough to be in the division of another hall of famer, who had one of the most stacked rosters in NFL history.
In 2018, the lions went 0-4 against the NFCCG Minnesota Vikings and the 12-4 Bears who had one of the best defenses seasons we saw in the last decade. Then add in Aaron Rogers has been in Matt's division every year of his career.
What if we lived in a world where Aaron Rodgers didn't exist? The Packers were bad and Matt had 2 more wins every year? Suddenly all his 9-7's and 8-8's are 11-5's and 10-6's and he's the NFC North darling... there's no doubt in my mind you'd think of him different if he's making then playoffs perennial under that hypothesis. Context matters tremendously. In LA he'll have a good line, the best D in the league, and a real receiver corps that isn't touting Golden Tate of all people as the hero of Detroit.
Dalton is 3rd best...from the bottom that is LOL
Sorry, lets agree to disagree. I just don't go gaga over Watson. he is good. but I don't think anybody should be foaming at the mouth for him. his leadership has always lacked.You are completely ignoring everything but that. It’s strange. It’s a historical season where the guy had a horrible team yet still put up record numbers that weren’t trash. You’ve been ignoring facts and throwing this rubbish around here any chance you get. It actually helps Daks argument. You trying to diminish it is laughable if you objectively read the articles
Dan marino made those WRs, neither of who could smell HOF.....he didn't have Calvin Johnson.
and what I am reading is a bunch of excuses Why Stafford didn't do well and couldn't win. 12 years and he is 7-58 against teams with a winning record and never winning a playoff game. sounds like you are coming up with tons of reasons why he was so bad and it wasn't his fault.
and Marino is in HOF, so enough people with brain thought he was good to make it to HOF on first ballot....btw, he didn't throw a pretty spiral. but mathew stafford throws a pretty spiral.
Stafford underachieved at Georgia too.
He's simply overrated having been the top HS QB in the country than pick 1 overall.
I mean almost anyone would be overrated in that scenario.
He has been part of poor teams but he has also had real weapons over the years to post insane stats.
But he is oft-injured and plays through it with middling results. Takes far too many sacks(thus the injuries) and generally has become a bit too stiff and pocket-centric.
Stafford will be interesting to watch in a new situation.
As will Goff.
Sorry, lets agree to disagree. I just don't go gaga over Watson. he is good. but I don't think anybody should be foaming at the mouth for him. his leadership has always lacked.
Looks like the QB position takes a nosedive after Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers.
I'm also of the mindset that Deshaun is overrated.
Doesn't mean he's bad, but he gets slobbered over for putting up numbers on a bad team.... meanwhile, Dak does the same and gets trashed on.
The QB can be graded without team record, success, or lack there of. After all, there are very good QB's on bad teams and vice versa.