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Interesting.....I just want the deadskins to get burned.
PFT: Bears to make counteroffer to Skins
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That's kind of like wanting the sun to come up tomorrow. Be patient and it WILL happen.CrazyCowboy;1443737 said:
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Meh, Quinn would take a couple of years to get intergrated into the system anyway... And a lot can change in those couple of years.
I'm not sold on Quinn, anyway.
I'm not sold on Quinn, anyway.
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CrazyCowboy;1443737 said:
This whole thing is a reversal of where we were at early in the off season when we were contemplating hiring Norv Turner. They got so much enjoyment (deserved) out of that.
God, I hope they give up another player and make this trade.
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Will Bears also make a mistake?
By Ryan O'Halloran
March 29, 2007
The Commanders have already made their mistake, offering their first-round pick to the Chicago Bears for Lance Briggs and the 31st overall pic, which would lead to them signing Briggs to a deal that could guarantee him $20 million.
Now we're waiting to see if the Bears will make a mistake ... and turn down the trade.
Bears GM Jerry Angelo told the Chicago Tribune he will get back to the Commanders in a timely manner. What the Bears have to be weighing at this point is whether they want to have the sixth pick and pay a big contract to that rookie.
The league's annual meeting wrapped up Wednesday in Phoenix and most of the Commanders' brass was traveling back to the East Coast today. Joe Gibbs isn't expected back at Commander Park until Monday.
Three things on Briggs that didn't make our story in Wednesday's paper.
1. The Commanders will essentially be paying mega-bucks to a two-down linebacker because I doubt Gregg Williams will overhaul his scheme for Briggs.
I watched a tape of the Commanders-Giants game (Week 17) when word broke the team was interested in Briggs. The Commanders used three linebackers on 39 of the Giants 61 offensive snaps, two linebackers on seven plays and one linebacker 15 times. Rocky McIntosh, in the spot Briggs plays, was on the field for only three of the 22 plays where the Commanders didn't use three linebackers.
London Fletcher in the middle will be an every-down backer and Marcus Washington, because of his threat as a pass rusher, will also be on the field on third down. The way to keep Briggs on the field is to use a look on passing downs that uses Washington as a stand-up defensive end/pass rusher. Not an ideal scenario.
2. Acquiring Briggs will add a solid tackler, but it won't solve two big problems: Creating turnovers and pressuring the quarterback. In 64 career games, he has 3.5 sacks, seven forced fumbles and six interceptions.
3. How little confidence do the Commanders have in McIntosh? Can they possibly be giving up on him after one season and two starts? My take is that they weren't thrilled with McIntosh's development last year (I mean, he couldn't beat out Warrick Holdman) but the coaching staff still thinks he can play. The Briggs pursuit has been led by The Danny.
4. Doesn't the owner remember what happened with Adam Archuleta? He thrived in Lovie Smith's scheme in St. Louis, but didn't fit Williams' scheme in D.C. That should scare Snyder away from anybody with ties to the 'Tampa Two' philosophy, especially linebackers and defensive backs.
As my loyal e-mailers have been saying in dispatches to the Commanders Mailbag the last two days, this trade will not be well-received among Burgundy & Gold Nation.
(The Commanders should have also asked for the Bears' second-round pick, No. 38 overall, which the Commanders had until trading to the Jets last year.)
However, a trade that nets Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson would be applauded by the masses.
A deal for Briggs would eliminate that possibility. If I were The Danny, I would forget about Briggs and try to make something happen with Johnson since the Commanders seem determined to do "something" big.
The package it will take to move up is the No. 6 pick, possibly a second-round pick next year and a player. Since no team in their right mind would want Brandon Lloyd, the likely player is Antwaan Randle El.
Adding Johnson finally gives the Commanders a big receiver (6-5) who is equally effective as a possession receiver and a long-ball threat.
Look at the potential lineup for Jason Campbell to throw to: Receivers Santana Moss and Johnson (I don't count Lloyd until he catches his first touchdown for the Commanders -- he had none in 15 games last year), tight end Chris Cooley plus running backs Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts. Moss' numbers would suffer the most.
By Ryan O'Halloran
March 29, 2007
The Commanders have already made their mistake, offering their first-round pick to the Chicago Bears for Lance Briggs and the 31st overall pic, which would lead to them signing Briggs to a deal that could guarantee him $20 million.
Now we're waiting to see if the Bears will make a mistake ... and turn down the trade.
Bears GM Jerry Angelo told the Chicago Tribune he will get back to the Commanders in a timely manner. What the Bears have to be weighing at this point is whether they want to have the sixth pick and pay a big contract to that rookie.
The league's annual meeting wrapped up Wednesday in Phoenix and most of the Commanders' brass was traveling back to the East Coast today. Joe Gibbs isn't expected back at Commander Park until Monday.
Three things on Briggs that didn't make our story in Wednesday's paper.
1. The Commanders will essentially be paying mega-bucks to a two-down linebacker because I doubt Gregg Williams will overhaul his scheme for Briggs.
I watched a tape of the Commanders-Giants game (Week 17) when word broke the team was interested in Briggs. The Commanders used three linebackers on 39 of the Giants 61 offensive snaps, two linebackers on seven plays and one linebacker 15 times. Rocky McIntosh, in the spot Briggs plays, was on the field for only three of the 22 plays where the Commanders didn't use three linebackers.
London Fletcher in the middle will be an every-down backer and Marcus Washington, because of his threat as a pass rusher, will also be on the field on third down. The way to keep Briggs on the field is to use a look on passing downs that uses Washington as a stand-up defensive end/pass rusher. Not an ideal scenario.
2. Acquiring Briggs will add a solid tackler, but it won't solve two big problems: Creating turnovers and pressuring the quarterback. In 64 career games, he has 3.5 sacks, seven forced fumbles and six interceptions.
3. How little confidence do the Commanders have in McIntosh? Can they possibly be giving up on him after one season and two starts? My take is that they weren't thrilled with McIntosh's development last year (I mean, he couldn't beat out Warrick Holdman) but the coaching staff still thinks he can play. The Briggs pursuit has been led by The Danny.
4. Doesn't the owner remember what happened with Adam Archuleta? He thrived in Lovie Smith's scheme in St. Louis, but didn't fit Williams' scheme in D.C. That should scare Snyder away from anybody with ties to the 'Tampa Two' philosophy, especially linebackers and defensive backs.
As my loyal e-mailers have been saying in dispatches to the Commanders Mailbag the last two days, this trade will not be well-received among Burgundy & Gold Nation.
(The Commanders should have also asked for the Bears' second-round pick, No. 38 overall, which the Commanders had until trading to the Jets last year.)
However, a trade that nets Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson would be applauded by the masses.
A deal for Briggs would eliminate that possibility. If I were The Danny, I would forget about Briggs and try to make something happen with Johnson since the Commanders seem determined to do "something" big.
The package it will take to move up is the No. 6 pick, possibly a second-round pick next year and a player. Since no team in their right mind would want Brandon Lloyd, the likely player is Antwaan Randle El.
Adding Johnson finally gives the Commanders a big receiver (6-5) who is equally effective as a possession receiver and a long-ball threat.
Look at the potential lineup for Jason Campbell to throw to: Receivers Santana Moss and Johnson (I don't count Lloyd until he catches his first touchdown for the Commanders -- he had none in 15 games last year), tight end Chris Cooley plus running backs Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts. Moss' numbers would suffer the most.
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Acquiring Briggs makes no sense
By Ryan O'Halloran
March 27, 2007
So much for the Washington Commanders showing offseason restraint and valuing their draft picks.
Several online media outlets reported Monday night that the Commanders in general and owner Dan Snyder in particular have reached out to the Chicago Bears, offering the No. 6 overall pick in next month's draft in exchange for disgrunted linebackers Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick.
Briggs' agent Drew Rosenhaus and Commanders owner Dan Snyder confirmed the offer to Fox Sports on Monday.
This move would make zero sense on several levels.
1. It would cost too much money.
Briggs is scheduled to make $7.2 million in 2007 after the Bears placed the franchise tag on him, taking him off the financial bonanza that was this year's free agent market. The Commanders being the Commanders, if they traded for Briggs (who ended Patrick Ramsey's tenure as the Commanders starter with a clothesline-like hit in the 2005 opener), they would undoubtedly hand him a long-term, big-money contract instead of letting him play out 2007 with his current salary. The Commanders have been restrained only because they have had little money to spend/waste.
2. Do the Commanders really need help at linebacker?
London Fletcher got big money to start in the middle, Marcus Washington is getting big money to continue starting at strong-side linebacker and second-year player Rocky McIntosh (remember, whom the Commanders gave up an '07 second-round pick and a sixth-round pick last year to acquire) is expected to get the first shot at weak-side linebacker. Plus, there's Lemar Marshall. Trading for Briggs would make drafting McIntosh a waste and serve as a slap in the face to a scouting department who convinced the coaches that McIntosh was worth trading up for last year.
3. It's not a guarantee Briggs will thrive in the Commanders' scheme.
The Bears play a Cover 2 and we all know how Archuleta's transition from St. Louis' Cover 2 philosophy to the Commanders' system went. Briggs has been raising hell this offseason, ripping the Bears every chance he can get, vowing to sit out the season if the Bears don't move him or give him a long-term contract. If the Commanders acquire him and give him his money, where's the incentive for Briggs to perform? The Bears and Briggs cut off negotiations last season after discussing a 7-year, $33 million deal.
4. It would disable the Commanders' efforts to bolster their depth chart.
The No. 6 pick would go to the Bears. There isn't exactly a hot market for the second-to-last pick of the first round. If the Commanders trade out of the first round, they wouldn't get very much in return. The sixth pick has a chance to be extremely valuable, especially if Miami and/or Minnesota become enamored with Brady Quinn and want to trade up a couple spots to draft him.
By Ryan O'Halloran
March 27, 2007
So much for the Washington Commanders showing offseason restraint and valuing their draft picks.
Several online media outlets reported Monday night that the Commanders in general and owner Dan Snyder in particular have reached out to the Chicago Bears, offering the No. 6 overall pick in next month's draft in exchange for disgrunted linebackers Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick.
Briggs' agent Drew Rosenhaus and Commanders owner Dan Snyder confirmed the offer to Fox Sports on Monday.
This move would make zero sense on several levels.
1. It would cost too much money.
Briggs is scheduled to make $7.2 million in 2007 after the Bears placed the franchise tag on him, taking him off the financial bonanza that was this year's free agent market. The Commanders being the Commanders, if they traded for Briggs (who ended Patrick Ramsey's tenure as the Commanders starter with a clothesline-like hit in the 2005 opener), they would undoubtedly hand him a long-term, big-money contract instead of letting him play out 2007 with his current salary. The Commanders have been restrained only because they have had little money to spend/waste.
2. Do the Commanders really need help at linebacker?
London Fletcher got big money to start in the middle, Marcus Washington is getting big money to continue starting at strong-side linebacker and second-year player Rocky McIntosh (remember, whom the Commanders gave up an '07 second-round pick and a sixth-round pick last year to acquire) is expected to get the first shot at weak-side linebacker. Plus, there's Lemar Marshall. Trading for Briggs would make drafting McIntosh a waste and serve as a slap in the face to a scouting department who convinced the coaches that McIntosh was worth trading up for last year.
3. It's not a guarantee Briggs will thrive in the Commanders' scheme.
The Bears play a Cover 2 and we all know how Archuleta's transition from St. Louis' Cover 2 philosophy to the Commanders' system went. Briggs has been raising hell this offseason, ripping the Bears every chance he can get, vowing to sit out the season if the Bears don't move him or give him a long-term contract. If the Commanders acquire him and give him his money, where's the incentive for Briggs to perform? The Bears and Briggs cut off negotiations last season after discussing a 7-year, $33 million deal.
4. It would disable the Commanders' efforts to bolster their depth chart.
The No. 6 pick would go to the Bears. There isn't exactly a hot market for the second-to-last pick of the first round. If the Commanders trade out of the first round, they wouldn't get very much in return. The sixth pick has a chance to be extremely valuable, especially if Miami and/or Minnesota become enamored with Brady Quinn and want to trade up a couple spots to draft him.
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alancdc;1443710 said:
No.
He was their only day ONE draft pick.
I think they had 4-5 day two draft picks.
However they did move up to get Rocky which included giving up THIS years second round pick I believe.
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bbgun;1443758 said:
why aren't they ever determined to do something smart?
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my loyal e-mailers have been saying in dispatches to the Commanders Mailbag the last two days, this trade will not be well-received among Burgundy & Gold Nation.
Except by Art the lunkhead.
Except by Art the lunkhead.
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Big Dakota;1443840 said:
I have ragged Art on many occasions but even he is on record as saying he would rather the trade not happen.
He is doing a little double talk in what I have seen but I get what he is saying and he is not saying he likes the idea of the trade personally.
However...I imagine that may change if it did happen.
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BrAinPaiNt;1443854 said:I have ragged Art on many occasions but even he is on record as saying he would rather the trade not happen.
He is doing a little double talk in what I have seen but I get what he is saying and he is not saying he likes the idea of the trade personally.
However...I imagine that may change if it did happen.
if it happens, art will defend it as the greatest move possible.
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The best part of this, is that it's now viewed as a major victory, and resiliency on the part of the skins front office, in holding fast to their already ridiculous offer, and not allowing the Bears to make it more ridiculous.
There's something to be said about lowered expectations.
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There's something to be said about lowered expectations.
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hilarity.
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On a side note, I'm so glad we say "Jerry" or "Wade" or "the scouts" or simply "we" and not "FO" every other freaking word.
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Doesn't buy them help?!?!?!
They could trade down and still get Willis, who will end up being a lot better than Briggs will ever be.
They could trade down and still get Willis, who will end up being a lot better than Briggs will ever be.
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WoodysGirl;1443476 said:Is this the post you're talking about?
Cuz on the one hand, he's a two-time pro bowler, one-time all pro, so he believes he's worth the trade. But he doesn't think the player is all that good.
Thats how Art works he has to make sure he can defend the FO and not look to stupid no matter what happens.
If they trade for him they were smart because he is worth it, if they dont trade for him they are smart because they knew he wasnt that good
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Briggs' threats are more serious than the writer claims. He's already said he'll never play for Chicago again, feeling slighted by their contract negotiations and the fact they have no intention of signing him to a long term deal. He's also said that he's planning to take out loans from banks to sit out the entire season and pay off the fines the Bears hand out to him.
This is why the Bears are looking to trade him. They know he's pretty serious and having Rosenhaus doesn't help matters at all. I don't think any team can really afford to have a starter take up a roster spot and cap space when he has no intention of showing up to the stadium on Sunday.
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This is why the Bears are looking to trade him. They know he's pretty serious and having Rosenhaus doesn't help matters at all. I don't think any team can really afford to have a starter take up a roster spot and cap space when he has no intention of showing up to the stadium on Sunday.
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Yakuza Rich;1444049 said:
Are you sure he takes up either? If you holdout, i don't think you count on the cap or the roster till you come back and play. Sanders was under contract to the Lions for several years and he didn't count anything to them.
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Big Dakota;1444066 said:
I'm pretty sure he counts as cap space and I'm almost positive that he counts as a roster spot...one of the recourses team's face with holdouts. Sanders retired. He held out for just a little while IIRC, and then retired. He then didn't count against their roster space and couldn't play for another team unless the Lions then "released" him.
Briggs wouldn't be retiring in this case as he would never sign the proper NFL paperwork to do so.
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