PFT: Bears to make counteroffer to Skins

[theebs]

Is this the post you're talking about?


Cuz on the one hand, he's a two-time pro bowler, one-time all pro, so he believes he's worth the trade. But he doesn't think the player is all that good.

omg. I love this art guy. He is the best. He should just put chief zee's hat on and grease up the old back side.

Its amazing reading the stuff from that guy how far out of touch he is with the way the nfl works.

Saying that giving up the 6th pick in the draft is not enough for lance stinking briggs is insane. Totally insane. It is beyone comprehension they would do anything with that pick except use it or move down to gain a three.

AMazing.

really crazy, I cant believe someone actually believes that stuff.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Art has a point, but just because Briggs is worth alot, doesn't make it a good idea to give up alot, and even he recognizes that and admitted as much

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

the Skins don't hold all the cards, all the Bears have to do is not do anything

just like you guys haven't traded for Bly yet, because the Broncos don't need to and Bly eventually gave up the fight

This is NOTHING like the Bly deal. Bly was going to play no matter what. The broncos were not being forced to trade Bly, it was just another offer on the table.

Why would the bears keep the player when he basically isn't even on the team anymore? It's either get something for him, or get nothing. Since the Commanders are the only team dealing with them (right now), it's either trade with them or let your player basically walk for nothing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is NOTHING like the Bly deal.

yeah it is, because like the Bly deal, you guys hold no cards here

Why would the bears keep the player when he basically isn't even on the team anymore? It's either get something for him, or get nothing. Since the Commanders are the only team dealing with them (right now), it's either trade with them or let your player basically walk for nothing.

all I'm saying is that the Bears don't have to trade him for a deal they don't want, they are going to hang onto Briggs until they can get the best deal possible

if Briggs doesn't play for the Bears, they can keep him on their roster and just fine him every day that he doesn't show up, this situation would hurt Briggs more than it will hurt the Bears

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I appreciate the sentiment, Bears (let's see how stupid these guys really are), but don't blow this already-heist-of-a-deal by getting too greedy, okay?

 

[superpunk]

I just can't figure out how any Skins fan can rationalize this as a good deal, under any circumstances.

Let's say somehow the tables get turned, and you come out a little ahead in the trade - instead of the current reaming taking place.


How is this a good idea? Do you need more LBs? Are you going to get a difference making DE (an ACTUAL need) at 31?

This is just sihny-toy syndrome with Snyder and Cerrato. A pro-bowler is available, thye MUST have him. Who cares if they don't need him?

Someone please rationalize the move for me - in ANY scenario.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Someone please rationalize the move for me - in ANY scenario.

the Skins rely on their LBs to make plays, their front 4 all have 2-gap responsibilities

again, this is a Greg WIlliams move all the way

 

[Big Dakota]

omg. I love this art guy. He is the best. He should just put chief zee's hat on and grease up the old back side.

Its amazing reading the stuff from that guy how far out of touch he is with the way the nfl works.

Saying that giving up the 6th pick in the draft is not enough for lance stinking briggs is insane. Totally insane. It is beyone comprehension they would do anything with that pick except use it or move down to gain a three.

AMazing.

really crazy, I cant believe someone actually believes that stuff.

I wonder if people realize there were 18 LBs who had at least 120 tkls last year. Briggs is credited with 134 on ESPN and 130 at NFL.com, ranking him 10th in the NFL. Finding a guy to make tkls when they are covered up is not that hard. I mean the guy right behind Briggs in tkl stats is a guy named Kirk Morrison for cripes sake. The guy has 3.5 sacks in 4 years. Heck Cato June had 142 tkls and they could have had him for 3 years and 12 million. Both around 6'1" and 225-235. In a word, Briggs is OVERRATED.

 

[superpunk]

the Skins rely on their LBs to make plays, their front 4 all have 2-gap responsibilities

again, this is a Greg WIlliams move all the way

Even Greg Williams must realize that they've made their bed with Rocky, Fletcher and Washington. I can see making a trade - just not for another LB.

 

[Big Dakota]

This is NOTHING like the Bly deal. Bly was going to play no matter what. The broncos were not being forced to trade Bly, it was just another offer on the table.

Why would the bears keep the player when he basically isn't even on the team anymore? It's either get something for him, or get nothing. Since the Commanders are the only team dealing with them (right now), it's either trade with them or let your player basically walk for nothing.

Wrong. Briggs has to come in and play at some point to get credit for a year played. They are already talking he could site the first 4 games in protest then come in.The Bears are a contender and Briggs doesn't want to lose credit for a year played by sitting. He'll be there playing in the PO's if he's not traded. Then he walks in 08.

Getting credit for each year played is too important to these guys to sit. When was the last player that sat? Barry?

 

[WoodysGirl]

Wrong. Briggs has to come in and play at some point to get credit for a year played. They are already talking he could site the first 4 games in protest then come in.The Bears are a contender and Briggs doesn't want to lose credit for a year played by sitting. He'll be there playing in the PO's if he's not traded. Then he walks in 08.

Getting credit for each year played is too important to these guys to sit. When was the last player that sat? Barry?

Minor correction. Briggs plans to sit the first 10 games in order to get credit for the year of service.

 

[Big Dakota]

Minor correction. Briggs plans to sit the first 10 games in order to get credit for the year of service.

You are right about the 10 game thing but i heard on espn yeasterday this 4 game protest deal. Maybe just speculation, but he wants to get paid as much as possible i would presume. He's playing hardball now, but hardball in April is different than not cashing checks in October.

 

[WoodysGirl]

You are right about the 10 game thing but i heard on espn yeasterday this 4 game protest deal. Maybe just speculation, but he wants to get paid as much as possible i would presume.

Per Clark Judge FWIW

Briggs last month was tagged as the Bears' franchise player, a move that prevented him from becoming an unrestricted free agent and that angered him so much he threatened not to play this season. That changed this week when Rosenhaus said Briggs would stay out the first 10 games of the season, then report for the last six to earn another year's credit.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/8690/032007

He's playing hardball now, but hardball in April is different than not cashing checks in October.

I totally agree. Remember Galloway had intended to sit out the year, and then it went from the whole year to 8 games. You average $7mil over a period of 17 weeks and that's still some nice money. It's very very rare to walk away from that kinda money.

 

[theebs]

omg I went on that skins thread and read through some more of this guys stuff.

for some reason he is stuck that because of the point value of the pick that they are only giving up the 16th pick in the draft.

Good God. You have the 6th pick in the draft, you get a blue chipper in that area. If you switch to 31 and then get briggs you have a very expensive linebacker playing a position you already gave up a ton for and then you have to hope you dont miss on that 31 because that pick is risky.

amazing. I will never understand giving up the 6th pick in the draft, when you dont have a 2 or a 3 or a 4 for a linebacker who is good but not great playing with alot of talent in front of him.

I mean didnt edergton hartwell have really good numbers in baltimore, then left got his paycheck from atlanta and has not been heard from since?

Man chasing linebackers with the 6th pick in the draft as bait is just bad business.

I guess vinny cerrato is not the worst front office person in the nfl for nothing.

 

[Pabst]

IIRC, players not under contract cannot be fined, so in theory the Bears could not fine Briggs, as he has not signed/doesn't have to sign his franchise contract offer until the games start.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't Briggs wait until right before the last six games of the regular season, and then sign his contract? I'm not altogether too sure on if this is possible/true.

I think Briggs is a better player than many on this board seem to believe, but also don't think his value as a player is remotely close to the value of selecting one of the 6-7 blue-chip prospects in this draft. He's a very good tackler in a scheme designed to funnel plays (mostly running) towards him. But is he an exceptional player/talent? I don't believe so.

 

[Big Dakota]

Per Clark Judge FWIW

Briggs last month was tagged as the Bears' franchise player, a move that prevented him from becoming an unrestricted free agent and that angered him so much he threatened not to play this season. That changed this week when Rosenhaus said Briggs would stay out the first 10 games of the season, then report for the last six to earn another year's credit.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/8690/032007

I totally agree. Remember Galloway had intended to sit out the year, and then it went from the whole year to 8 games. You average $7mil over a period of 17 weeks and that's still some nice money. It's very very rare to walk away from that kinda money.

In the end i would presume a deal gets done with the skins. They've already made a pretty nice offer for a guy that will be gone after 2007. I'd do the deal, trade down a few and take Willis, if i'm the Bears. I know one thing, the skins don't have anything of much value in this draft after round one

 

[alancdc]

ray2:

Please let the skins make another blunder

I am literally on my knees praying the Commanders make this trade with or without having to give up a defensive player.

 

[Pabst]

I am literally on my knees praying the Commanders make this trade with or without having to give up a defensive player.

Are you not too infatuated with any of the top defensive players in the draft?

 

[dogberry]

What kind of shape does Briggs have to be in when he reports? Could he be suspended for a game or two if he isn't ready?

 

[burmafrd]

always fun to watch the skins twist in the wind.