PFT: Dielman, Steinbach Have Deals in Hand?

[Crown Royal]

Dunno if this has been brought up, but isn't that tampering?



















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[tunahelper]

Steinbach had a few bears on a boat- he was NOT at the wheel. That was all.
Should not have gone any farther then that but someone was killed in an incident on the same day and he got reeled in. Nothing else has ever happened to him so thats not a problem. He has been a VERY good guard and the only reason he has not made the probowl is that some have bigger reputations- not that they are better guards.

Man, Bears can drive?

I can see why the law would pull him over!

 

[BLT]

i have a question... where are deilman and steinbach rated amongst all the Gaurds in the league? Are they just the most attractive because theyre the best available or because theyre actually elite Guards? are they top 10 guards,i doubt this,.. are they top 20?

 

[Beast_from_East]

DIELMAN, STEINBACH HAVE DEALS IN HAND?

Our sources in Indy tell us that two of the top offensive linemen in free agency might already have deals in place with new teams.

If their agents are to be believed.

Per the source, the agents for Bengals lineman Eric Steinbach and Chargers lineman Kris Dielman are telling people that they plan to sign contracts worth $7 million per year on March 2, or shortly thereafter.

The three teams who were thought to be most interested in either of these two guys are the Texans, Browns, and Cowboys.

Though it wouldn't be much of a surprise to learn that contracts have been verbally negotiated before the start of free agency (since it happens every single year), the other possibility is that the agents are puffing as to either or both of these players, in the hopes that someone else will offer as much or more.

Either way, make no mistake about it -- free agency officially begins in six days; unofficially, it's already started.

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Who is the better player guys, I dont really know that much about either player other than it would be a monster upgrade over Rivera.

Are they both about the same talent level, what about age, ect.....

 

[TheSport78]

um question...what's out backup plan if we don't come to terms with columbo?? please don't tell me torrin tucker

 

[speedkilz88]

Here's Yakuza Rich's rankings of LGs where he went by sack percentages and run yardage avg(I think). Steinbach is the bigger name being a former high second round pick while Diehlman is a former FA. Steinbach (age 27 in March), Diehlman(just turned 26 in early Feb)

*Diehlman probably gets a boost from Ladainian Thomlinson running behind him.

Here's the left guard rankings:

1. Vincent Manuwai - Jacksonville
2. Steve Hutchinson - Minnesota
3. Dylan Gandy/Ryan Lilja - Indianapolis
4. Ruben Brown - Chicago
5. Edwin Mulitalo/Jason Brown - Baltimore
6. Brian Waters - Kansas City
7. Kris Dielman - San Diego
8. Jamar Nesbit - New Orleans
9. Pete Kendall - NY Jets
10. Kyle Kosier - Dallas
11. Incognito/Steussie/Goldberg - St. Louis
12. Logan Mankins - New England
13. Eric Steinbach/Andrew Whitworth - Cincinnati
14. Mike Wahle - Carolina
15. Todd Herremans - Philadelphia
16. Larry Allen - San Francisco
17. Ben Hamilton - Denver
18. Matt Lehr/Alexander/Clabo - Atlanta
19. Darren Colledge - Green Bay
20. Derrick Dockery - Washington
21. Tuten Reyes/Jason Merz - Buffalo
22. Dan Buenning/Mahan - Tampa Bay
23. Alan Faneca - Pittsburgh
24. Jeno James - Miami
25. Zach Piller/Jacob Bell - Tennessee
26. Chris Spencer/Pork Chop Womack - Seattle
27. Joe Andruzzi - New England
28. David Diehl - NY Giants
29. Reggie Wells/Chris Liewinski - Arizona
30. Chester Pitts - Houston
31. Barry Sims - Oakland
32. Rick DeMulling/Frank Davis/Ross Verba - Detroit


HOW DID KYLE KOSIER FINISH 10TH?

Kosier's strong suit was his run blocking. They finished 2nd in yards up the middle/guard + at left tackle. And they ran the ball in those directions 64% of the time which was the league average.

However, Kosier finished 30th in yards lost ratio. He was actually doing okay at the halfway point of the season, but gave up 57 yards in the last 8 games of the season, which is a ton for a guard. He did give up 5 sacks, but also had 39 yards in penalties. The sacks are a bit more of a concern because the penalties aren't too high of a number and can always be due to poor calls or perhaps a personal foul penalty that has little to do with actual blocking skills.


HOW DID LARRY ALLEN FINISH 16TH?

Allen was 27th in yards lost ratio and was 16th in run yards (4.35) and they ran in his responsibilities 70% of the time which was a high amount of the time. Considering he also had Frank Gore in the backfield helping him out and he was surrounded by Eric Heitmann and Jonas Jennings, both of whom had good seasons, not only was Kosier a cheaper alternative, but a better alternative at left guard.


HOW DID ALAN FANECA FINISH 23RD?

His run blocking uncharacteristically hurt him. He was 15th in yards lost ratio, which is acceptable. But he was 20th in running yards his direction (4.25) and the Steelers ran his way a lower amount of the time at 61%.




YAKUZA

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79840&highlight=Guards

 

[JFlgn]

How does a guy bold "Kris Dielman" in a quote and still manage to write his name incorrectly three times in his post?

 

[speedkilz88]

How does a guy bold "Kris Dielman" in a quote and still manage to write his name incorrectly three times in his post?

I bolded it after. Thanks alot for the warning Mr. Speller Cop.

 

[silverbear]

ummmm isn't that tampering?

Of course it is... and it goes on every year, all over the league...

Think about how often the Skins have signed some big-name free agent (or two) on the first day of free agency... do you REALLY think they called the guy's agent that day, negotiated over the phone and reached a deal in 12 hours??

 

[silverbear]

Of course it is. And it happens every year.

Wow, this is weird-- I said almost EXACTLY the same thing in the opening sentence of my response...

 

[silverbear]

Hey no prob at all. There's plenty of reason for confusion between PFT and PFW, but it's usually PFT (Florio) who does the outlandish and completely unsubstaniated stuff.

....and least I think so.

Here's a metaphor for you-- ProFootballTalk is the National Enquirer of football websites, while Pro Football Weekly is the Wall Street Journal...

For one thing, I don't believe I've ever read the word "turd" in any article from Pro Football Weekly... LOL...

For years before I got my first PC, I'd check my favorite newsstand for the newest issues of PFW during the offseason... it was my monthly football fix, and I have long considered it one of the very best football mags out there... it went down some when their draft guru Joel Buchsbaum (who made John Clayton look like Hulk Hogan, LOL) died... ol' Joel was my favorite draft guru...

 

[AsthmaField]

ol' Joel was my favorite draft guru...

He really knew what he was talking about. I really hated that he passed away and left us stuck with Mel Kiper. He was a good guy (from what I could tell) and lived and breathed pro football.

His draft guide was always right next to me on draft day.

 

[Chuck 54]

if those rankings are correct and Kozier is rated higher than Steinbeck, then I sure don't want to give him 7 million a year, or anything close to that.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I really hated that he passed away and left us stuck with Mel Kiper.

NFL Network is your answer.

 

[burmafrd]

Whitworth was playing part of the time and he is not good. That dragged their ranking down. Also having LT as your RB really helps YOUR stats as well. Cinci did not have anything close. Also- lets be honest: Steinbach and company were playing teams with much better D lines most of the year then we did.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Whitworth was playing part of the time and he is not good. That dragged their ranking down. Also having LT as your RB really helps YOUR stats as well. Cinci did not have anything close. Also- lets be honest: Steinbach and company were playing teams with much better D lines most of the year then we did.

D. Dockery at #20. And here I was sticking up for him in another thread...

 

[TNCowboy]

Here's Yakuza Rich's rankings of LGs where he went by sack percentages and run yardage avg(I think). Steinbach is the bigger name being a former high second round pick while Diehlman is a former FA. Steinbach (age 27 in March), Diehlman(just turned 26 in early Feb)

*Diehlman probably gets a boost from Ladainian Thomlinson running behind him.


http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79840&highlight=Guards

I don't know how the rankings are calculated, but I'll take Steinbach over Diehlman anyday.

 

[Teague31]

7 million is too much for any OG.

 

[burmafrd]

7 million NOW is not that much. It seems insane but that is the way it is.
In a couple of years it will be considered cheap. People, get with reality.
With the cap growing 7 million a year for the next few years, its going to be a factor.

 

[silverbear]

He really knew what he was talking about.

Kinda surprising for such a pencil-necked geek... I KNOW he couldn't have benched 100 pounds if his life depended on it...

He was a good guy (from what I could tell) and lived and breathed pro football.

I read a piece about him after his death, and he may have LITERALLY lived and breathed pro football... seems he rarely left his apartment, he was basically a recluse, and he had reams and reams of printouts and info on players all over that apartment...

His draft guide was always right next to me on draft day.

I always kept the PFW draft issue, with all his rankings, with me during the draft too...