PFT-Florio: On officiating concerns, Jerry Jones misses the point (perhaps deliberately)

[Redline360]

Hate the whole conspiracy thing but it's getting extremely hard to look the other way when certain games are clearly manipulated at the end to the extent its almost blatant.

Even with professional / full time refs mistakes will still happen however when it's extremely blatant the ref in question or head ref should be held accountable if not fired.

I'm talking like the non PI call they missed in the Saints playoff game years ago. Those refs should have been fired immediately. Even the flag on the hit on mahomes last week along the sideline the main ref should have been fined or fired for not clearly overturning the flag thrown. Then the blatant PI at the end of the game. That ref should not have a job if you can't recognize someone getting mauled like that.

But regardless I'm still going to bet on games.

 

[nate dizzle]

I bet NFL games every weekend. Most years it's break even or better. This year has been kind of gross but nothing crazy. It's basically equivalent to going red or black at the roulette table. For me anyway.

 

[phildadon86]

Hate the whole conspiracy thing but it's getting extremely hard to look the other way when certain games are clearly manipulated at the end to the extent its almost blatant.

Even with professional / full time refs mistakes will still happen however when it's extremely blatant the ref in question or head ref should be held accountable if not fired.

I'm talking like the non PI call they missed in the Saints playoff game years ago. Those refs should have been fired immediately. Even the flag on the hit on mahomes last week along the sideline the main ref should have been fined or fired for not clearly overturning the flag.

Certain teams seem to actually get home cooking. If you watch players play in Philly. For example. The amount of holding that goes unchecked by the officials on DE's and WRs is crazy to me.

There are also games that are close to being blowouts and the officials seem to blow the whistle constantly to try and stop momentum for the team blowing the other team out. They want to keep games close to keep viewership. I am convinced of that.

 

[jazzcat22]

But will full time refs solve the situation?

What will the full time refs do? Sit around all week, looking at plays they or some other ref misses, or called that they should not have.
Discuss what is roughing the QB and what is not.
Is a finger tap allowed for one QB but not for another.

Then come game time, the same issues and mistakes are made.

 

[Reality]

If you're wagering money you can't afford to lose on sporting events, then you deserve whatever comes your way.

I used to say the same thing, but it was always with the understanding that what people bet on is based on known factors and variables.

The problem is that the NFL manages the officials and if the officials make bad calls that impact game results that are easily correctable with technology, it places the legal responsibility directly on the NFL.

Maybe the official missed the call. Maybe the official likes the team that benefitted from the call. Maybe the official hates the team that suffered from the call. Maybe the official bet on the game themselves. Maybe the official was paid off. Maybe the official was threatened.

The possibilities are numerous when one sports official can impact millions of dollars belonging to hundreds of thousands or more sports fans when it all could have been avoided if they used common technology that they already have access to.

 

[jazzcat22]

..don't think Jerry doesn't wants to stir up some dust. Knowing those guys can make or break the game.
So easy to look the other way when Parsons is getting the hold or Dlaw or Lamb.

Keep it safe.

Right with a stretch of critical games coming up. Jerry does not want to risk retaliation. Smart man. For once he thought before he spoke.

 

[phildadon86]

But will full time refs solve the situation?

What will the full time refs do? Sit around all week, looking at plays they or some other ref misses, or called that they should not have.
Discuss what is roughing the QB and what is not.
Is a finger tap allowed for one QB but not for another.

Then come game time, the same issues and mistakes are made.

Maybe penalizing officials like they do players for mistakes will teach them to stop flip flopping from letting them play to calling everything possible?

 

[jazzcat22]

I get a headache sometimes deciphering Jerry speak.

They have medicine for that now. Jerry even takes it. JWB.

 

[Reality]

But will full time refs solve the situation?

What will the full time refs do? Sit around all week, looking at plays they or some other ref misses, or called that they should not have.
Discuss what is roughing the QB and what is not.
Is a finger tap allowed for one QB but not for another.

Then come game time, the same issues and mistakes are made.

While I do think the NFL needs full-time referees, I don't think that's the solution at all.

I think giving both teams 3 play reviews per half (6 total) allowing teams to request a review of ANY play would go a long way toward solving the problem.

It would work like it does not .. if a team requests a review, 1) they must have at least 1 timeout available and 2) if the reviewed play is unchanged, they would lose 1 timeout.

 

[Kevinicus]

I don't get the call for "full time" refs.

Full time is not going to make officials see better that Mahomes wasn't out of bounds, or that the WR got mauled on the next play. Full time is not going to make them pull the flag out when there is a blatant hold on Parsons right in front of them. Full time is not going to get them to call a horse collar on Philly for flinging Josh Allen around and instead calling an intential grounding despite the ball skipping right to a receiver a few yards away.

 

[Hadenough]

Jerry: “We know there’s judgment,” Jones said. “And we know it can be wrong. And, really, is wrong a lot. The idea of getting it ‘right,’ quote, with all that’s at stake. It can be right, if you all agree that we’re gonna go on that guy’s judgment. Now he may be half blind, but we’ve decided that we’re gonna go on his judgment. We both agreed to it coming in. And we assume that his integrity is OK and good, so it’s just a question of did he miss it or not. I think we’ve always lived with that.”

Florio: "It’s one thing for the two teams involved to live with that. It’s quite another for the people who are wagering their money legally on gambling to live with it. They haven’t agreed to accept mistakes that are avoidable, even if the teams in a given game have."

You gamble at your own risk. And when you gamble there are factors in every sport that you cannot control. There is human error and you have to factor that in to if you want to bet.

 

[Reid1boys]

I quit trying years ago. It's just Babble.

Its not babble. Jerry is damn smart.... he knows exacty what he is saying. Go listen to his interview yesterday on the fan. The guy is very quick.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Jerry is 100% right. Florio’s comment is describing ignorant gamblers, because if you’re putting money on a sport the least you should know is how it works

 

[jazzcat22]

Most people bet / gamble with their hearts and not with facts or other information.

I picked Dallas to win by 4 points or more every week in the poll. But if $$$ were on it, I would have picked differently on several games.
I will still pick Dallas by 4 or more every week. Because I root for the Cowboys with my heart, not my wallet.

My extent of gambling is at casinos, slots, for fun, which I take a set amount with me. Which I have not been since April.
Also we do our SB pool every year. $200 a square, which I split with a friend the past 2 years. As she does not want to put out $200.
Last year we won $700. Every change of score, including PAT's wins $700.
And I buy a lotto ticket once every few months, when I get gas. I do not make a specific trip to get a lotto ticket. I don't drive a lot anymore unless on a road trip.

So to me the bad calls at the end of games to shape a game is bad, but can care less about the gambling part. Though it can be a big issue for point spreads, or even win or loss.
I can understand the concern.

 

[jazzcat22]

While I do think the NFL needs full-time referees, I don't think that's the solution at all.

I think giving both teams 3 play reviews per half (6 total) allowing teams to request a review of ANY play would go a long way toward solving the problem.

It would work like it does not .. if a team requests a review, 1) they must have at least 1 timeout available and 2) if the reviewed play is unchanged, they would lose 1 timeout.

That would go a long way of correcting some of the issues. Would be a start in the right direction. 3 per half would do wonders.

 

[atlantacowboy]

..don't think Jerry doesn't wants to stir up some dust. Knowing those guys can make or break the game.
So easy to look the other way when Parsons is getting the hold or Dlaw or Lamb.

Keep it safe.

The Steelers say the same thing is happening to Watt. It’s just how the league is right now trying to protect QBs. The NFL wants healthy QBs not sacks.

 

[aikemirv]

I think the betting world may force he hand of the NFL to employ full time refs. Even if the product stays the same, it shows the bettors that they are trying to rectify the problem.

If we are changing the way NFL is officiated because of gambling then they are doing it for all the wrong reasons.

The only legit reason would be a fair and balanced game for all fans to enjoy!

 

[nightrain]

Florio is a propaganda merchant. He is part and parcel of the NFL cabal that raises the suspicion of fans over a link between gambling and outcomes.

 

[Ranching]

Jerry: “We know there’s judgment,” Jones said. “And we know it can be wrong. And, really, is wrong a lot. The idea of getting it ‘right,’ quote, with all that’s at stake. It can be right, if you all agree that we’re gonna go on that guy’s judgment. Now he may be half blind, but we’ve decided that we’re gonna go on his judgment. We both agreed to it coming in. And we assume that his integrity is OK and good, so it’s just a question of did he miss it or not. I think we’ve always lived with that.”

Florio: "It’s one thing for the two teams involved to live with that. It’s quite another for the people who are wagering their money legally on gambling to live with it. They haven’t agreed to accept mistakes that are avoidable, even if the teams in a given game have."

Screw Florio! I got Jerry's back!

 

[Reality]

Officiating should be better for one main reason. The players.

These guys put countless hours into the practice, games, meetings, etc. Some of them seem to know the rules better than the guys enforcing the rules. That in itself is sad.

Even beyond that, each player is a business now.

If a referee makes a bad call, whether in week #1 or in the playoffs, it can easily cost one or more players millions of dollars from missed opportunities impacting sponsorships, salary contracts and their reputation.

You add in cities and their local businesses losing out on home playoff games which generate a lot of unbudgeted extra revenue for cities and gamblers losing a lot of money all due to bad calls, that changes things considerably.

NFL game results now impact a lot of people financially so it falls on the NFL to maintain the integrity of games as best possible.

When the NFL limits the use of technology that would correct a lot of human mistakes, they are part of the problem, not an innocent victim of it like everyone else.