PFT: Force Out, Face Mask rules changed

[Little Jr]

Unless literally carried out by a defensive player, receivers must land with two feet inbounds for a completion.[/B]
Impact: This "force out" rule takes pressure off sideline officials, who are sometimes forced to make difficult judgment calls. Pereira said that half of the 16 force outs last season were ruled correctly. The change eliminates the guess work.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7980294/These-new-rules-will-have-an-impact-on-NFL

Well that should calm some people down. I didnt understand why people though a DB was gonna carry a WR out bounds 20 yds and foward progress wouldnt be called.

 

[Shady12]

Well that should calm some people down. I didnt understand why people though a DB was gonna carry a WR out bounds 20 yds and foward progress wouldnt be called.

Lol I said the same in a previous post. But then realized there would have been a way around it..just carry the player FORWARD towards the out of bounds line.. Would have been a loophole.

 

[sonnyboy]

We rarely got that call in our favor anyway, CC. I think Owens was robbed (under the old rule) twice last year.

I'm a little dissapointed when I heard they were killing it. I thought they were going to close the loop-hole. That bit Owens twice last year.
The loop-hole being that a force out must be called on the field, no replay official can rule force out on a play.

The problem is when a WR is obviously forced out by a DB, but the onfield ref doesnt call it a force out because he thought the WR had two feet in.

On a challange the replay official correctly sees that Owens had only only one foot in bounds and rules incomplete because hes not allowed to rule a force out.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, basically this new force out rule has just made the field smaller for the offense. Alot of those sideline routes will have to be modified a bit. What is real interesting to me is thinking about a back of the endzone catch, where the WR jumps up in the back of it and then is pushed out. When you are first and goal at the 5, that rule makes the field so much smaller to pass on and makes running in the red zone so much more important.

On the sideline, no reason to play the ball unless you think you can intercept, just concentrate on pushing him out of bounds. Not a bad rule, players just have to adjust. Definitely makes the field smaller, advantage defense.

Face Mask is also a decent rule, nothing really wrong with it, but they might have to give out a few more 15 yarders.

excellent point about the end zone.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Unless literally carried out by a defensive player, receivers must land with two feet inbounds for a completion.
Impact: This "force out" rule takes pressure off sideline officials, who are sometimes forced to make difficult judgment calls. Pereira said that half of the 16 force outs last season were ruled correctly. The change eliminates the guess work.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7980294/These-new-rules-will-have-an-impact-on-NFL

Stupid rule, IMO. It pretty much eliminates sideline routes unless the WR is basically left alone. Imagine the impact this will have at the end of the half or game when teams need to stop the clock. Seems to me that the NFL figured these calls were too difficult for their refs so they eliminated it all together! A replay option would've been a better choice...

 

[lkelly]

According to the post above, this force out ruling was made 16 times lst year. We are talking about one instance each week across all games. Oh the humanity! The "tuck rule" probably comes into play more often (you know, the one that ruined the NFL a few years ago).

 

[Little Jr]

Stupid rule, IMO. It pretty much eliminates sideline routes unless the WR is basically left alone. Imagine the impact this will have at the end of the half or game when teams need to stop the clock. Seems to me that the NFL figured these calls were too difficult for their refs so they eliminated it all together! A replay option would've been a better choice...

There arent many force outs in one game. It's not gonna eliminate sideline routes. I think there was 16 called forceouts last year in the NFL. I'm sure there were more that wasnt called. I know TO had 3 that wasnt called. Still that isnt many for the amount of offensive plays in a year.

 

[Little Jr]

According to the post above, this force out ruling was made 16 times lst year. We are talking about one instance each week across all games. Oh the humanity! The "tuck rule" probably comes into play more often (you know, the one that ruined the NFL a few years ago).

Beat me to it.

 

[Shady12]

Stupid rule, IMO. It pretty much eliminates sideline routes unless the WR is basically left alone. Imagine the impact this will have at the end of the half or game when teams need to stop the clock. Seems to me that the NFL figured these calls were too difficult for their refs so they eliminated it all together! A replay option would've been a better choice...

It won't affect that stuff, the force out rarely happens anyway. It's not noticed at any other level. The force out is a rule that makes absolutely no sense to have and is one of the worst rules in sports.

 

[iceberg]

I dont agree with eliminating the force out, it should just become reviewable.

I do agree with the facemask rule change though.

even if reviewed, it's still subjective. i liked it but maybe it's because i'm so used to it, not because it's the right thing. at this point the rule is at least clear.

 

[CATCH17]

They just tried to fix something that was never broke.

What a load of crap.

 

[peplaw06]

Exactly.Thats why it is a good rule. Most of the rules in the NFL are set up for the O. They have taken away from the D with all the rule changes in the past. You cant touch the QB or it's a flag. You cant get physical with the WR or it's flag. This one finally gives the D something. It is the WR job to catch the ball in bounds. Its the QBs job to put the ball where he can do that. It is the DB job not to let him do that.

I'm with you on this one. The old rule rewarded offensive teams for a good defensive play. The rule is catch and secure the ball with both feet in bounds. If the defense prevents you from doing it, no matter how they do it, then it should be incomplete.

If we're gonna have a force out rule, why not just have a tipped ball rule, where if the defense tips a pass but the refs determine that the pass would have been complete had the defense not been there, then it's a complete pass? Or how about blocked FGs?? We should be rewarding defense for good plays, not the offenses for being the victim of a good defensive play.

Or turned the other way around, how many times have you seen a WR catch a ball, transfer it to another hand before taking two steps, then drop it, and the refs call it incomplete? We could be saying, well if the WR didn't have frying pan hands, then he would have caught it, therefore it's a catch and fumble.

The offense always gets the benefits of these rules, I'm glad to see it shift to the defenses favor.

 

[joseephuss]

They just tried to fix something that was never broke.

What a load of crap.

It was broke. Pep nicely describes how it was broke.

I'm with you on this one. The old rule rewarded offensive teams for a good defensive play. The rule is catch and secure the ball with both feet in bounds. If the defense prevents you from doing it, no matter how they do it, then it should be incomplete.

If we're gonna have a force out rule, why not just have a tipped ball rule, where if the defense tips a pass but the refs determine that the pass would have been complete had the defense not been there, then it's a complete pass? Or how about blocked FGs?? We should be rewarding defense for good plays, not the offenses for being the victim of a good defensive play.

Or turned the other way around, how many times have you seen a WR catch a ball, transfer it to another hand before taking two steps, then drop it, and the refs call it incomplete? We could be saying, well if the WR didn't have frying pan hands, then he would have caught it, therefore it's a catch and fumble.

The offense always gets the benefits of these rules, I'm glad to see it shift to the defenses favor.

 

[joseephuss]

I like the new face mask rule. I thought it was a bad rule to start with if there was no intent to injure or no turning of the head. I also like the force out rule change.

Now, what the heck is a "forward handoff"? are they talking about a shovel pass behind the LOS?

Really the only time I see a "forward handoff" is on a turnover. The defense intercepts the ball or recovers a fumble and then one guy hands the ball off to a faster teammate. Sometimes it is handed forward. A few times it is fumbled. When it is fumbled it was ruled an illegal forward pass. Dead ball, the team keeps the ball. It happens so rarely, but it should be considered a fumble when it happens and not a pass. Good rule change even though it rarely comes into play.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

I'm with you on this one. The old rule rewarded offensive teams for a good defensive play. The rule is catch and secure the ball with both feet in bounds. If the defense prevents you from doing it, no matter how they do it, then it should be incomplete.

If we're gonna have a force out rule, why not just have a tipped ball rule, where if the defense tips a pass but the refs determine that the pass would have been complete had the defense not been there, then it's a complete pass? Or how about blocked FGs?? We should be rewarding defense for good plays, not the offenses for being the victim of a good defensive play.

Or turned the other way around, how many times have you seen a WR catch a ball, transfer it to another hand before taking two steps, then drop it, and the refs call it incomplete? We could be saying, well if the WR didn't have frying pan hands, then he would have caught it, therefore it's a catch and fumble.

The offense always gets the benefits of these rules, I'm glad to see it shift to the defenses favor.

You read my mind. This rule actually gives the defense a slight edge, which they desperately need in this offensive minded league. Besides, they never called it for us so it doesn't really hurt us at all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Eh, that sounds like a horrible rule as written.

So, WR in dead middle of field jumps up to catch ball. Safety catches him in mid-air and carries him to the sideline before depositing the WR on the ground out of bounds, and suddenly it is an incomplete pass because nothing touched in bounds.

Obviously my hypothetical is extreme, but the rules would allow that. And when you start looking at the difficult calls on the sideline as is, then this strikes me as extraordinarily bad change.

Forward progress would be called and the whistle blown.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

Forward progress would be called and the whistle blown.

:laugh2: You really know how to kill a hypothetical situation.

 

[Concord]

The new "no force out" rule is interesting. I like it, actually.

But it is going to change some sideline pass patterns ....

It sure is...now anyone near the sideline gets knocked out as soon as they touch the ball.

I don't think I like this rule change...it sure will suck if the games on the line and Owens goes for the first down on the sideline..would have been in and now gets pushed out and the games over.

As you said they better make sure those patterns are further away from the sideline now.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

No more 5 yard facemask, so your finger accidentally touches the mask or whatever, you know what I mean, it's 15 yards no matter what?
Dumb rule change, so if you're gonna face mask, players now might as well try and rip their helmet right off since there's no more 5 yard rule instead of pulling up.
No more sideline pushouts?
Every D.B. will now just time their hit to knock the W.R. out of bounds when he goes up for the ball, stupid rule change, if anyhting they should of amde it a reveiwable play.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

It sure is...now anyone near the sideline gets knocked out as soon as they touch the ball.

I don't think I like this rule change...it sure will suck if the games on the line and Owens goes for the first down on the sideline..would have been in and nows gets pushed out and the games over.

As you said they better make sure those patterns are further away from the sideline now.

It would have played out like that before the rule change. I recall three times I thought T.O. was forced out and the refs never called it once in our favor. At least now our D can do it to other teams.