PFT: High-level source says NFL believes Vick is guilty

[Vintage]

PETA makes me hungry for meat.

Same.

I have some time to kill, so I went to PETA's site...

http://www.peta.org/

Seriously....funny.

And its making me hungry.

 

[Doomsday101]

Again -- they aren't spearheading the issue. You don't see them in the press everyday pursuing the issue -- that statement is from OVER a month ago. That's hardly "PETA up in arms" about an issue.

By making this a "PETA issue" it make it far easier for folks to say "oh, them PETAs -- they crazy, they don't want me to eat no hamburger" rather than focusing on the fact that Vick is potentially subject to multiple felony charges.

I did not say it was a PETA issue but yes groups like this are the one who will make sure this is not swept under the rug. I don't agree with many things that PETA do and their tactics but if action is not taken they will bring heat.

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually, for activism to be effective, groups have to aim for the extreme -- the reason being that whatever one group does to try to bring about change is ultimately going to be subject to compromise. Whatever your platform, you'll rarely get exactly what you are asking for. Now, if you present platforms more extreme than what you are really after, when you compromise, you end up getting far closer to what you really wanted in the first place.

I disagree I think you turn a lot of people off when you enter into the extreme. I think more people would pay attention to these groups if not for the over the top antics and tactics used by them.

 

[Chuck 54]

of course he is guilty...they have tons of evidence now on him and this a.m. on local radio they said they believed an indictment is forthcoming.

he's trash...always has been, always will be...I'm sure he'll buy his way out of it, but this guy shouldnt ever be allowed to play football again

David

Never allowed to play football again? Because he's guilty of dog fighting?

Gee...that's a pretty tough penalty, even for an animal lover.

If he takes his punishment and gets out of it, I see no reason why this crime should be worse than illegal drugs or wife abuse or anything else.

 

[burmafrd]

I really question the idea that you have to start out extreme; I think its better to start out with what you want and stick to it. That way you can say to your supporters that you did not compromise; and to your opponents you say the same thing. Regarding the NRA and armor piercing bulletts- I totally agree that they screwed up there. They seem to forget that the media regards them as evil and will always paint them as the bad guys- therefore they need to show more restraint there and yet at the same time make no compromises on the important areas- which armor piercing bullets is NOT one of.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Ummm, who exactly else are you going to interview about dog fighting?

So PETA is the ultimate source on Dog Fighting? You can find a psychologist, lawyer, friend of Vick, a dog owner, Vick's team mate, someone accused of dog fighting before, or PETA is fine. Lets not be naive here, PETA jumped at the opportunity for the publicity and to better their cause when this Vick story came out. Vick is still under investigation, and as of now, no charges have been brought. I am fine with PETA getting publicity off of this, but I am not going to say PETA are saints and can do no wrong.

 

[burmafrd]

I have no problem at all with banning Vick for life for being involved with dog fighting- and I do not really care for dogs. As far as I am concerned, banning him from a sport is small change- especially with all the money he has already made.

 

[burmafrd]

Saying PETA are saints is about as valid as calling VIck a saint(religious, not football).

 

[iceberg]

I took it that way but wanted to be clear just in case. On this board one word can make a world of difference.:laugh2:

that ain't no lie.

 

[aikemirv]

Never allowed to play football again? Because he's guilty of dog fighting?

Gee...that's a pretty tough penalty, even for an animal lover.

If he takes his punishment and gets out of it, I see no reason why this crime should be worse than illegal drugs or wife abuse or anything else.

I agree. I don't like Vick anyway, but to say that he should not be allowed to play again because of this I just can't see. I agree that the NFL is a priviledge but to have the idea that they are going to be better than society as a whole is asking a whole lot. I think it should be assumed that they are going to be a bit worse at the least just because the way they have been treated since High School. They just need to know they ARE going to be held accountable if they screw up. I think Goodell is doing that and I applaud him for that!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

that ain't no lie.

Yes I know you would get it, I think we both have found that out the hard way a few times.:laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I disagree I think you turn a lot of people off when you enter into the extreme. I think more people would pay attention to these groups if not for the over the top antics and tactics used by them.

Agreed...for all the good they may do (not just peta but many groups) it gets lost by some of the over the topic antics they may do.

Plus it gives anyone that does not share the same view a way of showing the over the top stuff as the only thing they do.

Many times in life groups, and people as well, mean to do well but just take things to far and ruin it.

 

[AbeBeta]

So PETA is the ultimate source on Dog Fighting? You can find a psychologist, lawyer, friend of Vick, a dog owner, Vick's team mate, someone accused of dog fighting before, or PETA is fine. Lets not be naive here, PETA jumped at the opportunity for the publicity and to better their cause when this Vick story came out. Vick is still under investigation, and as of now, no charges have been brought. I am fine with PETA getting publicity off of this, but I am not going to say PETA are saints and can do no wrong.

Come on now. If you are a newsource and you want to get a comment on dog fighting, PETA is a natural place to go for that comment.

Don't play dumb.

 

[AbeBeta]

I disagree I think you turn a lot of people off when you enter into the extreme. I think more people would pay attention to these groups if not for the over the top antics and tactics used by them.

Many people think that -- but if it weren't for the over the top stuff, they'd have no pull whatsoever -- that's how an activist organization gets known and how it gets its pull.

 

[juck]

Again -- they aren't spearheading the issue. You don't see them in the press everyday pursuing the issue -- that statement is from OVER a month ago. That's hardly "PETA up in arms" about an issue.

By making this a "PETA issue" it make it far easier for folks to say "oh, them PETAs -- they crazy, they don't want me to eat no hamburger" rather than focusing on the fact that Vick is potentially subject to multiple felony charges.

agreed 100%

 

[Doomsday101]

Agreed...for all the good they may do (not just peta but many groups) it gets lost by some of the over the topic antics they may do.

Plus it gives anyone that does not share the same view a way of showing the over the top stuff as the only thing they do.

Many times in life groups, and people as well, mean to do well but just take things to far and ruin it.

I see it with all these actives groups, pro abortion or anti abortion, NRA, PETA or the Serria Club. As they take their argument to the extreme many of their initial followers get to the point of saying I agreed with you on this but I do not agree at all with this or this type of action.

 

[juck]

Same.

I have some time to kill, so I went to PETA's site...

http://www.peta.org/

Seriously....funny.

And its making me hungry.

That is an intelligent observation there.

 

[Doomsday101]

Many people think that -- but if it weren't for the over the top stuff, they'd have no pull whatsoever -- that's how an activist organization gets known and how it gets its pull.

BS, that is how they make themselves irrelevant by taking extreme stances that even many of their own members do not agree with. I know many folks who were supporters of the NRA but because of some extreme views they no longer want to be part of it. They believe in what the group initially stood for but no longer side with the organization on many issues

 

[Vintage]

That is an intelligent observation there.

It is hilarious.

"Some of us have accidently stepped on ants or breathed in gnats...."

C'mon.

How is that NOT funny?

Ants? Are you kidding me? Gnats?

 

[AbeBeta]

Agreed...for all the good they may do (not just peta but many groups) it gets lost by some of the over the topic antics they may do.

Plus it gives anyone that does not share the same view a way of showing the over the top stuff as the only thing they do.

Many times in life groups, and people as well, mean to do well but just take things to far and ruin it.

Taking it too far is a principle of activism. AND it is highly effective. Back in the 60's Saul Alinsky was in a battle with Mayor Daley of Chicago - his group planned to strike Daley's most treasured accomplishment -- O'Hare airport. How? By occupying every bathroom stall and urinal in the airport at the bussiest time of the day.

Simply letting word slip about this plan allowed the activists to get what they wanted.

Would that be extreme? Would it be turning some people off? Over the top? All yes.

Effective? Absolutely.