PFT: Jerry Jones remains committed to Wade Phillips... per ESPN

[superpunk]

So hopefully that'll end some of those fire Wade threads.

lol.

So young, so naive...

 

[Idgit]

There could never be a better year to go deep in the playoffs. So many people would be secretly pissed off.

Secretly? I call BS.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Secretly? I call BS.

:laugh2:

My bad.

 

[cowboyjoe]

well i dont think i can stand another season of good ole wade as head coach puppet in 2010.

thats sickening

 

[big dog cowboy]

Don't count on a mid-season firing. So hopefully that'll end some of those fire Wade threads.

A sticky wouldn't stop those.

 

[WoodysGirl]

lol.

So young, so naive...

A sticky wouldn't stop those.

One can dream, right?

 

[cowboyjoe]

You're not the only one. I posted earlier in the thread saying that same thing.

Don't count on a mid-season firing. So hopefully that'll end some of those fire Wade threads.

i heard dont know how true it is, but some reports that jerry jones has spent a ton of his money, and right now he doesnt plan to change coaches or players or go get any impact free agents till he recoups his money.

if thats the case will be rough on us as fans with another year of good ole wade.

all you have to do is go back to the tampa bay game where wade said, i didnt coach the blitz packages enough in preseason because i didnt want to get players hurt, yet the offense is pretty well doing their job and the special teams,

sounds like to me jerry isnt planning on paying top money to a top head coach or free agents.

 

[igtmfo]

I think it all comes down to personnel evaluation.

They ought to let Ciskowski completely run the draft (outside of salary/cap/upcoming contract considerations ... and draft day trades.) Let Ciskowski take the BPA given the above ....

This last draft you have:

- Campo lobbying (you could see it on the draft room cam) for Mickens and D. Smith. When it came down to it, there were guys on the board prolly that were graded 4.2 and these two guys we took were graded 4.0 or something. But because we "needed guys that could create turnovers" we reached a little for them because Campo trumped Ciskowski. (My guess.)
- Wade probably overdrafting LBs ... you can't tell me he's not maybe reaching a little for some pet-cat pass rushers. Little reaches for these guys also, because Wade trumped Ciskowski. Time will tell.
- The next time Jerry does a huge mid-season trade, or mid-season big-$ signing of a guy up for a contract at year-end because the guy had a good week or two previously, STEPHEN SHOULD THROTTLE JERRY. Don't want to revisit RW, but ....

Yeah you can say "well if not RW then exactly who would be better from this draft you could have taken?" ... but the whole deal is like the butterfly effect. Because we didn't have xtra high picks because of RW, we traded down and missed guys. Because we didn't have a one-pick that we could have at least trade down to get multiple picks, we forfeited other guys on the board that we could have got. (Unger etc.) Because we didn't have the RW picks, we didn't have as much ammo to trade for high picks in the 2010 draft (Pats picked up two 2-picks next year by trading their 3-picks this year)

As the season goes you see guys we kick ourselves over. Guess I'm being too anal here. Go Cowboys !!!

But honestly, as long as Jerry is in the house, hiring old coaches from the glory days, keeping around old scouts from the glory days (well, maybe an exception for Ciskowski ...), gambling high stakes on underachieving wideouts like RW ... do any of you really think we'll be on the upswing in a big way? ... Stephen is our hope ...

 

[cowboyjoe]

He would first have to win "a" playoff game first. Something he has never done before. So winning 2 or 3 playoff games to get the Super Bowl seems like a long shot to me.

only thing that would force jerry jones hand is that its a losing season under wade and jerry is forced to get a really good coach, because the fans wont buy his tickets if he doesnt.

who wants to watch some losing years under wade;
what your basically saying, oh well, one year under wade we will get there,

i dont think cowboys fans will stand for that,
jerry jones might be underestimating the fans;
some of them are already ticked off at him for raising ticket prices etc

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think it all comes down to personnel evaluation.

They ought to let Ciskowski completely run the draft (outside of salary/cap/upcoming contract considerations ... and draft day trades.) Let Ciskowski take the BPA given the above ....

This last draft you have:

- Campo lobbying (you could see it on the draft room cam) for Mickens and D. Smith. When it came down to it, there were guys on the board prolly that were graded 4.2 and these two guys we took were graded 4.0 or something. But because we "needed guys that could create turnovers" we reached a little for them because Campo trumped Ciskowski. (My guess.)

Oh Gawd, please tell me you're kidding... You could really see that? I looked in on the draft cam a few times earlier in the day, but didn't watch it that often. What you describe is my worst nightmare, though.

As for Wade lobbying, the only time I saw it or heard someone say they saw it was for Brandon Williams. The rest of the time I didn't see him doing anything. And from the PCs and comments following the draft, I got the idea he almost preferred B-Will to Butler. But who knows.

And Chief has said that he talked to Ciskowski and the comment he made was something along the lines of, "I make the draft board and then have to sit there and watch the picks being made on draft day."

I'm on record as thinking Campo is a plague on this team. He knows how to kiss up to Jerry so that Jerry trusts him way more than he should. Personally, I was appalled we didn't take more OL and DL, but we should always be taking the best player and not the guy the Mad Poodle has taken a shine to.

 

[theebs]

Oh Gawd, please tell me you're kidding... You could really see that? I looked in on the draft cam a few times earlier in the day, but didn't watch it that often. What you describe is my worst nightmare, though.

As for Wade lobbying, the only time I saw it or heard someone say they saw it was for Brandon Williams. The rest of the time I didn't see him doing anything. And from the PCs and comments following the draft, I got the idea he almost preferred B-Will to Butler. But who knows.

And Chief has said that he talked to Ciskowski and the comment he made was something along the lines of, "I make the draft board and then have to sit there and watch the picks being made on draft day."

I'm on record as thinking Campo is a plague on this team. He knows how to kiss up to Jerry so that Jerry trusts him way more than he should. Personally, I was appalled we didn't take more OL and DL, but we should always be taking the best player and not the guy the Mad Poodle has taken a shine to.

you hate campo so much you had to say it twice huh. Well I agree.

I cant stand campo
I cant stand campo.

 

[Bach]

I'm on record as thinking Campo is a plague on this team. He knows how to kiss up to Jerry so that Jerry trusts him way more than he should. Personally, I was appalled we didn't take more OL and DL, but we should always be taking the best player and not the guy the Mad Poodle has taken a shine to.

There was ZERO reason to bring that loser back here. But JJ had to get more of "his" guys on board. Instead of re-hiring that loser they should've put a restraining order out on him barring him from 10 miles of any Cowboys facility.

 

[Bach]

You wouldn't, but a lot of people would. They wouldn't even enjoy the ride because they'd be so busy screaming it was all a mirage.

:violin:

 

[BrassCowboy]

So, I take it you endorse the job Wade is doing?

so the answer is to publicly display our dislike of Wade where people may question your loyalty.

I mean, when I talk about my kids to other people, do I end it with "They are brats, they cry too often, and they get on my nerves constantly"?

 

[igtmfo]

During the talks for the Mickens pick, the draft room was more relaxed as befits the seventh round.

Campo was actually standing over Jerry's chair, and making all sorts of arguments with fists pounding, real excited about Micken's prospects (I think it was before the pick, but maybe afterwards). Guess he got his man. My guess is that he had the same kind of arguments for Smith (I read that he wanted both of them ...) ... I like Campo, hate to pin stuff on such a good guy.

My point is that, the difference between two guys in the draft may be real fine, so that around draft day when the coaches are talking about needs, you DO take "need" in the draft and rationalize it by saying, "well it's so close between these two guys, let's take the need player." ... But I think this is where you shoot yourself in the head.

Scouts fine-tune this stuff all year long, then coaches and Jerry come in two weeks before the draft and shuffle the draft board in subtle ways. You miss the BPA in the crunch.

However, I am sure though that we were always after certain guys like Mike Hamlin (I read this, probably took him where he should have been drafted ... on late-day one of the draft it leaked that we were going to take him over any of the safeties on the board we could get at that point). We were probably were going to get McGee by hook or crook (took him a shade high maybe), were going to take Buehler (probably took him about the right spot). Probably took Brewster a little too high as an Unger consolation prize ... prolly took Butler and B. Williams too high relative to draft reports ...

Take the BPA ... don't be wooed by a guy "that can also play special teams" or will be a "special teams ace" ... you'll find special teams guys that can block and tackle.

OT, I saw Ogletree play special teams in preseason, get knocked out practically. Is it time to deactivate Hurd, put Ogletree out there on special teams and take your chances ... in return get a guy that maybe is a more precise route runner ..... ? ... Some guys like Hines Ward don't jump off the page athletically, but just "have it." ... Maybe Ogletree is one of those guys that QBs just like and will throw it to.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Jimmy is coming back! :wink2:

STOP TEASING! :bang2:

 

[RS12]

I like Campo, hate to pin stuff on such a good guy.

I dont. Bad coach.

 

[Bach]

so the answer is to publicly display our dislike of Wade where people may question your loyalty.

I mean, when I talk about my kids to other people, do I end it with "They are brats, they cry too often, and they get on my nerves constantly"?

First, this is a forum. Discussing things is what happens here.

Second, many people call 'em like they see 'em. At least the ones that aren't concerned about whether or not someone on the internet may question their loyalty for calling a spade a spade.

 

[Plumfool]

Jerry could teach a class on shuck and jive. He gives a sense of security and threatens at the same time.

 

[silver]

During the talks for the Mickens pick, the draft room was more relaxed as befits the seventh round.

Campo was actually standing over Jerry's chair, and making all sorts of arguments with fists pounding, real excited about Micken's prospects (I think it was before the pick, but maybe afterwards). Guess he got his man. My guess is that he had the same kind of arguments for Smith (I read that he wanted both of them ...) ... I like Campo, hate to pin stuff on such a good guy.

My point is that, the difference between two guys in the draft may be real fine, so that around draft day when the coaches are talking about needs, you DO take "need" in the draft and rationalize it by saying, "well it's so close between these two guys, let's take the need player." ... But I think this is where you shoot yourself in the head.

Scouts fine-tune this stuff all year long, then coaches and Jerry come in two weeks before the draft and shuffle the draft board in subtle ways. You miss the BPA in the crunch.

However, I am sure though that we were always after certain guys like Mike Hamlin (I read this, probably took him where he should have been drafted ... on late-day one of the draft it leaked that we were going to take him over any of the safeties on the board we could get at that point). We were probably were going to get McGee by hook or crook (took him a shade high maybe), were going to take Buehler (probably took him about the right spot). Probably took Brewster a little too high as an Unger consolation prize ... prolly took Butler and B. Williams too high relative to draft reports ...

Take the BPA ... don't be wooed by a guy "that can also play special teams" or will be a "special teams ace" ... you'll find special teams guys that can block and tackle.

OT, I saw Ogletree play special teams in preseason, get knocked out practically. Is it time to deactivate Hurd, put Ogletree out there on special teams and take your chances ... in return get a guy that maybe is a more precise route runner ..... ? ... Some guys like Hines Ward don't jump off the page athletically, but just "have it." ... Maybe Ogletree is one of those guys that QBs just like and will throw it to.

so basically we blew the draft. I've been saying all along it was a wasted draft. this is the worst draft since 1995 or 2001.