News: PFT: Josh Norman on Dez: Cowboys should get their $70 million back

[thechosen1n2]

Next year will be Dez's 7th in the league. What you see is pretty much what you get at this point.

And what weve seen is no less than 9 TD until this year....Silly people. Hes had a bad year because of a major injury a bad backup, and a rusty starter. Oh and I forgot, a terrible scheme....Im not worried about him in particular.

 

[stilltheguru88]

And what weve seen is no less than 9 TD until this year....Silly people. Hes had a bad year because of a major injury a bad backup, and a rusty starter. Oh and I forgot, a terrible scheme....Im not worried about him in particular.

Typical fickle fans. I wonder what was said last year by the same people. Disgusting

 

[erod]

Norman plays CB, right? Where's your CB?
I won't hold my breath.

Scandrick. You can breathe now.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Demaryous showing Dez how its done. 10 targets zero catches. This board is funny.

 

[Ender]

blah... I think those who questions Dez Bryant's talent are funny, we've all seen him do things on the field no other cowboys receiver has done. The QB situation is directly contributes to his bad year.

 

[bodi]

well I wonder how much he will ask for when he gets a deal ??

 

[LocimusPrime]

well I wonder how much he will ask for when he gets a deal ??

Probably a top 5 deal. He isn't bad. A probowler this year for sure.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Scandrick. You can breathe now.

You got me! Forgot about OScan.

 

[superonyx]

Dez will be entering his 7th year next season. Typically receivers start slumping in their 9th season. Time to find his replacement. We got two more " good years" with him before he becomes a fitgerald slot receiver or used like roddy white

Here goes this crap about when a player becomes garbage. Isn't this the same mistake 90% of this board made in the offseason when they predicted the demise of Adrian Peterson? These guys are not all the same and where and why Fitzgerald slumped has absolutely zero impact on Dez Bryant. Zero.

Btw Fitzgerald is 32 (Dez just turned 27 last month) years old and has 83 catches for 992 yards and 7 TD already this year.
So what was your point about Fitzgerald again?

 

[DogFace]

The self hating "Cut Everyone!!!" Crowd has officially shown its ugly head.

Self hating is a very good description of many of our "fans".

 

[LocimusPrime]

Here goes this crap about when a player becomes garbage. Isn't this the same mistake 90% of this board made in the offseason when they predicted the demise of Adrian Peterson? These guys are not all the same and where and why Fitzgerald slumped has absolutely zero impact on Dez Bryant. Zero.

Btw Fitzgerald is 32 (Dez just turned 27 last month) years old and has 83 catches for 992 yards and 7 TD already this year.
So what was your point about Fitzgerald again?

I said "typically" receivers start slumping on or before their 9th year. Ok, you will find an outlier but it still holds true.

1. Fitzgerald. Years 4-8 were his best years. His prime receiving years so to speak. He reached over 1000 yards in each of those years. However, in his 9th year he had 798 total yards, his 10th 954, and his 11th 784 total receiving yards. Yes he's having good year but his days s being a showcase #1 allpro are done. They are moving towards John Brown and Michael Floyd. The same goes for the other example I used : Roddy White. From years 3-8 Roddy White had over 1000 yards in each season. In his 9th season- 711 yards, his 10th 921 yards, and his 11th 316 yards.
2. "these guys are not all the same" Well nobody is the same, but we know that most athletes (like all humans) have a physical and performance pattern. You could argue that a 65 year old man could be "stronger" than a 28 year old, and you might find an outlier here or there, but that is not the norm. The norm is that most humans will lose muscle mass, strength, and speed after a certain age. That's why conventional wisdom tells you not to extend an over 30 running back or receiver to a long term deal.
3. Adrian Peterson as a player is on a total different level as Dez Bryant. Adrian is currently 18th on the all time total rushing yards, and with 2 more season possibly crack the top 5. With 3 seasons more season he could be #2, and it probably will be impossible for him to catch Emmit. Dez is entering his 7th season next year with 5705 yards not cracking the top 100. I believe that if he works hard, Dez might get to . #25 if he averages 1200 yard for the next 5 seasons.
4. Oh btw Dez has only reached 100 yards once in the last 10 games he played including last years playoffs. Some will argue that it is "scheme". Others will counter that some fans have overestimated his talent. Talented athlete - yes. Excellent Receiver? Some will argue no

To summarize, my "point" is that Dez isn't a spring chicken anymore. We may have 2-3 more good/great season with him, and which is typical of receivers. We should start grooming a future #1 or at least consider drafting another premier WR.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I said "typically" receivers start slumping on or before their 9th year. Ok, you will find an outlier but it still holds true.

1. Fitzgerald. Years 4-8 were his best years. His prime receiving years so to speak. He reached over 1000 yards in each of those years. However, in his 9th year he had 798 total yards, his 10th 954, and his 11th 784 total receiving yards. Yes he's having good year but his days s being a showcase #1 allpro are done. They are moving towards John Brown and Michael Floyd. The same goes for the other example I used : Roddy White. From years 3-8 Roddy White had over 1000 yards in each season. In his 9th season- 711 yards, his 10th 921 yards, and his 11th 316 yards.
2. "these guys are not all the same" Well nobody is the same, but we know that most athletes (like all humans) have a physical and performance pattern. You could argue that a 65 year old man could be "stronger" than a 28 year old, and you might find an outlier here or there, but that is not the norm. The norm is that most humans will lose muscle mass, strength, and speed after a certain age. That's why conventional wisdom tells you not to extend an over 30 running back or receiver to a long term deal.
3. Adrian Peterson as a player is on a total different level as Dez Bryant. Adrian is currently 18th on the all time total rushing yards, and with 2 more season possibly crack the top 5. With 3 seasons more season he could be #2, and it probably will be impossible for him to catch Emmit. Dez is entering his 7th season next year with 5705 yards not cracking the top 100. I believe that if he works hard, Dez might get to . #25 if he averages 1200 yard for the next 5 seasons.
4. Oh btw Dez has only reached 100 yards once in the last 10 games he played including last years playoffs. Some will argue that it is "scheme". Others will counter that some fans have overestimated his talent. Talented athlete - yes. Excellent Receiver? Some will argue no

To summarize, my "point" is that Dez isn't a spring chicken anymore. We may have 2-3 more good/great season with him, and which is typical of receivers. We should start grooming a future #1 or at least consider drafting another premier WR.

Those are all valid points and I'm all for finding another receiver but the skill set that Dez employs is not predicated on speed or quickness but physicalness and size and that's not going away anytime soon so he should be effective past his 9th year and beyond.

The real question will be who will get him the ball in his later years.

 

[superonyx]

I said "typically" receivers start slumping on or before their 9th year. Ok, you will find an outlier but it still holds true.

1. Fitzgerald. Years 4-8 were his best years. His prime receiving years so to speak. He reached over 1000 yards in each of those years. However, in his 9th year he had 798 total yards, his 10th 954, and his 11th 784 total receiving yards. Yes he's having good year but his days s being a showcase #1 allpro are done. They are moving towards John Brown and Michael Floyd. The same goes for the other example I used : Roddy White. From years 3-8 Roddy White had over 1000 yards in each season. In his 9th season- 711 yards, his 10th 921 yards, and his 11th 316 yards.
2. "these guys are not all the same" Well nobody is the same, but we know that most athletes (like all humans) have a physical and performance pattern. You could argue that a 65 year old man could be "stronger" than a 28 year old, and you might find an outlier here or there, but that is not the norm. The norm is that most humans will lose muscle mass, strength, and speed after a certain age. That's why conventional wisdom tells you not to extend an over 30 running back or receiver to a long term deal.
3. Adrian Peterson as a player is on a total different level as Dez Bryant. Adrian is currently 18th on the all time total rushing yards, and with 2 more season possibly crack the top 5. With 3 seasons more season he could be #2, and it probably will be impossible for him to catch Emmit. Dez is entering his 7th season next year with 5705 yards not cracking the top 100. I believe that if he works hard, Dez might get to . #25 if he averages 1200 yard for the next 5 seasons.
4. Oh btw Dez has only reached 100 yards once in the last 10 games he played including last years playoffs. Some will argue that it is "scheme". Others will counter that some fans have overestimated his talent. Talented athlete - yes. Excellent Receiver? Some will argue no

To summarize, my "point" is that Dez isn't a spring chicken anymore. We may have 2-3 more good/great season with him, and which is typical of receivers. We should start grooming a future #1 or at least consider drafting another premier WR.

Any receiver can be taken out of any game. Even Moss in his prime could be taken out of games. A WR can only catch what balls are thrown to him. Romo is so good because he takes what the defense gives him so Dez opens up the field for other guys to have mismatches. Of course someone can look at just a stat line and say some other receivers are better than Dez because they have better stats but that is fantasy football not reality.

I bring up Peterson because Dez has similar natural athletic advantages compared to other WR's like Peterson has over other RB's. I certainly would not ever say Roddy White has any athletic advantages over Dez Bryant. Even Fitgerald is not the athlete that Dez is. When you have a guy like Dez who has so many natural athletic gifts I believe he will physically age at a different pace than a guy like Roddy White. Sure Adrian Peterson has better numbers but he also has received significantly more wear and tear on his body.

I don't like T Williams as a number 2 receiver. I believe when everyone has conceded that this is a passing league you should have a second WR that is capable of being a number 1 WR if needed. We saw what happened when Dez went out this year. So I do agree with your point about drafting another WR but my reasoning isn't to replace Dez but to compliment him.

Btw...well thought out response. I enjoyed reading it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Any receiver can be taken out of any game. Even Moss in his prime could be taken out of games. A WR can only catch what balls are thrown to him. Romo is so good because he takes what the defense gives him so Dez opens up the field for other guys to have mismatches. Of course someone can look at just a stat line and say some other receivers are better than Dez because they have better stats but that is fantasy football not reality.

I bring up Peterson because Dez has similar natural athletic advantages compared to other WR's like Peterson has over other RB's. I certainly would not ever say Roddy White has any athletic advantages over Dez Bryant. Even Fitgerald is not the athlete that Dez is. When you have a guy like Dez who has so many natural athletic gifts I believe he will physically age at a different pace than a guy like Roddy White. Sure Adrian Peterson has better numbers but he also has received significantly more wear and tear on his body.

I don't like T Williams as a number 2 receiver. I believe when everyone has conceded that this is a passing league you should have a second WR that is capable of being a number 1 WR if needed. We saw what happened when Dez went out this year. So I do agree with your point about drafting another WR but my reasoning isn't to replace Dez but to compliment him.

Btw...well thought out response. I enjoyed reading it.

You made excellent points as well. Good debate and conversation from all parties!

 

[cowboys2233]

Dez sat out too long and then got hurt. His season was pretty much wasted. It doesn't mean he isn't great. It's just the way the season went.

Really? Because I saw a lot of stuff that didn't even come close to being great -- missed assignments, dropped balls, juvenile behavior in the locker room. Yeah, heck of a year Dez. This guy didn't come to play any more than the rest, this was a team resting on its laurels from last year if there ever was one.