News: PFT: Judge grants Michael Irvin's request for expedited discovery against Marriott

[MarcusRock]

I am sure the "hiding out" comment didn't sit well with the NFLN who would have liked to have kept a lid on this. They're not keen on employees suing sponsors and if y'all have watched the NFLN as much as I have, they need all the sponsors they can get. Half their ad inventory is from the Ad Council in the form of PSA's.

What is interesting is if this goes to trial, will the Marriott lawyers call the NFLN to testify? They sent him home, based on what? If his call in was the breaker, how can the hotel or woman be responsible for that?

I'm no law guy but I doubt they'd call on the NFLN for anything. Marriott is the defense here so they only care about their shop. NFLN wouldn't be mentioned for anything other than to say that Irvin is suing the wrong party because any damages he suffered is the result of their decision and move to get the case against them dismissed because they followed their protocol the same as they do for anyone (as long as that's actually true).

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

As KSK just stated, I am in the middle here and will wait to see what the tape shows on 3/7 no later than 5pm. But do know a lot big companies do not like going to court and will settle in a heartbeat before getting that exposure from going to court. Know a renowned very big hospital (will not name it but know someone that works there) that has settled lots of claims instead of it going to court.

 

[MarcusRock]

Way back when, the school of the deaf played football against another college. Or HS, don't remember which.

They slaughtered the better team. Why? The school of the deaf read lips and knew what play was coming, as they read the lips of the opposing team as they called the plays.

True story.

Hadn't heard that before but that's a very cool story. Lol.

 

[CouchCoach]

As KSK just stated, I am in the middle here and will wait to see what the tape shows on 3/7 no later than 5pm. But do know a lot big companies do not like going to court and will settle in a heartbeat before getting that exposure from going to court. Know a renowned very big hospital (will not name it but know someone that works there) that has settled lots of claims instead of it going to court.

This happens all the time. It is too expensive and time consuming to try and stand up for what they believe in court.

However, there is a little twist to this one. Marriott is standing behind their employee with all of the other employees watching. If they agree to a settlement, what message does that send? And more importantly, what message to all of their female employees that might come forward in the future? This is not a Marriott owned hotel but it is crucial to Marriott that they look good to their employees.

I do think it was a good ruling that the identity of this woman not be allowed to be made public by his lawyer.

 

[MarcusRock]

Me too.

I have not taken a side on this because I absolutely do not know which side to take.

I do know this. I hate the ones who secksually assault others, but just as much I hate the ones who falsely accuse others. Both of these types are scum of the earth, and my hate for both is very equal.

I do not pretend to know what happened, so it's the wait game.

Yep. No one knows. Any and everyone could blatantly be up to no good or slightly slant things (except refs). I'm just the type to like to parse evidence and speculate on what strategies could be from both parties and what they will or won't consider when they act and see if it actually goes that route.

 

[CouchCoach]

As KSK just stated, I am in the middle here and will wait to see what the tape shows on 3/7 no later than 5pm. But do know a lot big companies do not like going to court and will settle in a heartbeat before getting that exposure from going to court. Know a renowned very big hospital (will not name it but know someone that works there) that has settled lots of claims instead of it going to court.

Ya know, I think he did say something that didn't sit well with her based on his history but if that is proven not to be the case, then I can always change my opinion.

What I believe or think about this isn't important to anyone and not even to me. This is just spit ballin' fun.

If I were on the jury, then I have a responsibility to have and keep an open mind but since I am not, I can use my mind that Irvin closed about his character a long time ago.

 

[CouchCoach]

Me too.

I have not taken a side on this because I absolutely do not know which side to take.

I do know this. I hate the ones who secksually assault others, but just as much I hate the ones who falsely accuse others. Both of these types are scum of the earth, and my hate for both is very equal.

I do not pretend to know what happened, so it's the wait game.

This wasn't assault but I do think the incidents of real assault far outweigh falsely accused assaults.

For years, Cosby and Weinstein assaulted women and they remained silent for one main reason, they didn't think they would be believed. There are more women like that then we would want believe exist.

Years ago, my wife's cousin went to the minister in our church for some counseling while going through a divorce. Not only did he end up coming onto her, he forcibly kissed her. She only told this to my wife and myself because he was the preacher and she was a woman about to be divorced, who would believe her?

Now, my wife's cousin had a little bit of a past and was known to be a party girl so being a guy, I wasn't sure whether to believe her or not. I mean this guy was upstanding and I was in that large group of people that didn't want to believe it. Much like my Catholic friends that have had to deal with that nightmare.

Well, a year later he goes a little too far and gets caught and then several women came forward in support of this one woman. The housekeeper of the church came forward and testified this had been going on for a long time.

I had not believed her because of her past but I could not escape that just as I don't with Irvin. And I just haven't seen many people really change in my lifetime. Even the ones that had me fooled resorted back to their old behavior.

 

[Diehardblues]

As KSK just stated, I am in the middle here and will wait to see what the tape shows on 3/7 no later than 5pm. But do know a lot big companies do not like going to court and will settle in a heartbeat before getting that exposure from going to court. Know a renowned very big hospital (will not name it but know someone that works there) that has settled lots of claims instead of it going to court.

I’d like to get Irvin on the stand and ask about his other sexual misconduct accusations and settlements .

I seriously doubt any attorney wants to get his history exposed under oath. Lol

 

[Diehardblues]

This wasn't assault but I do think the incidents of real assault far outweigh falsely accused assaults.

For years, Cosby and Weinstein assaulted women and they remained silent for one main reason, they didn't think they would be believed. There are more women like that then we would want believe exist.

Years ago, my wife's cousin went to the minister in our church for some counseling while going through a divorce. Not only did he end up coming onto her, he forcibly kissed her. She only told this to my wife and myself because he was the preacher and she was a woman about to be divorced, who would believe her?

Now, my wife's cousin had a little bit of a past and was known to be a party girl so being a guy, I wasn't sure whether to believe her or not. I mean this guy was upstanding and I was in that large gropup of people that didn't want to believe it. Much like my Catholic friends that have had to deal with that nightmare.

Well, a year later he goes a little too far and gets caught and then several women came forward in support of this one woman. The housekeeper of the church came forward and testified this had been going on for a long time.

I had not believed her because of her past but I could not escape that just as I don't with Irvin. And I just haven't seen many people really change in my lifetime. Even the ones that had me fooled resorted back to their old behavior.

Yea, it’s very likely while having to curb his ways to stay out of trouble he still occasionally falls victim to his own instincts, especially when he’s been drinking .

What always amazes me is these celebrities don’t have an entourage or at least one escort with them at all public settings . A driver if nothing else.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ya know, I think he did say something that didn't sit well with her based on his history but if that is proven not to be the case, then I can always change my opinion.

What I believe or think about this isn't important to anyone and not even to me. This is just spit ballin' fun.

If I were on the jury, then I have a responsibility to have and keep an open mind but since I am not, I can use my mind that Irvin closed about his character a long time ago.

Well said .

We’ll see how this shakes out. But with his sexual misconduct history and personality I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by this .

And outside of some Cowboy fans overly protective of their own can’t imagine anyone taking his side unless proven this was a false accusation.

 

[Rayman70]

I hope he cleans out the bank account of the Marriot. Unless they have stunning slam dunk new evidence against him, HE HAS THIS WON.

 

[kskboys]

This happens all the time. It is too expensive and time consuming to try and stand up for what they believe in court.

However, there is a little twist to this one. Marriott is standing behind their employee with all of the other employees watching. If they agree to a settlement, what message does that send? And more importantly, what message to all of their female employees that might come forward in the future? This is not a Marriott owned hotel but it is crucial to Marriott that they look good to their employees.

I do think it was a good ruling that the identity of this woman not be allowed to be made public by his lawyer.

I would imagine at this point that the Marriott would love nothing better than this to be swept under the rug.

 

[kskboys]

This wasn't assault but I do think the incidents of real assault far outweigh falsely accused assaults.

For years, Cosby and Weinstein assaulted women and they remained silent for one main reason, they didn't think they would be believed. There are more women like that then we would want believe exist.

Years ago, my wife's cousin went to the minister in our church for some counseling while going through a divorce. Not only did he end up coming onto her, he forcibly kissed her. She only told this to my wife and myself because he was the preacher and she was a woman about to be divorced, who would believe her?

Now, my wife's cousin had a little bit of a past and was known to be a party girl so being a guy, I wasn't sure whether to believe her or not. I mean this guy was upstanding and I was in that large group of people that didn't want to believe it. Much like my Catholic friends that have had to deal with that nightmare.

Well, a year later he goes a little too far and gets caught and then several women came forward in support of this one woman. The housekeeper of the church came forward and testified this had been going on for a long time.

I had not believed her because of her past but I could not escape that just as I don't with Irvin. And I just haven't seen many people really change in my lifetime. Even the ones that had me fooled resorted back to their old behavior.

I'm not sure your first statement is true anymore. Very sad.

In a related case, I have a good friend psychologist who works w/ secksual assault cases, primarily a parent against a child. Sadly, it has become quite commonplace for a woman to accuse the father of child stuff to get custody. Even sadder.

 

[kskboys]

I hope he cleans out the bank account of the Marriot. Unless they have stunning slam dunk new evidence against him, HE HAS THIS WON.

Manalive, I'm tending to think Irvin has the edge also, but I just don't know. It sure would be awfully foolish of him to pursue this lawsuit if he is guilty.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Legal Pad Law on YouTube, the guy made some great points.

 

[FVSTONE]

Marriot, just pay the point!!!!!!!!

 

[Rayman70]

Manalive, I'm tending to think Irvin has the edge also, but I just don't know. It sure would be awfully foolish of him to pursue this lawsuit if he is guilty.

exactly my thinking. Which is why I'm confident he's innocent.

 

[Rayman70]

Marriot will settle with him.Then the next thing will be when he sues the networks that employed him. Then they will settle and issue an apology. Then he will find work easily.

 

[Rayman70]

I think we will never hear from or know who the accuser was/is exactly.

 

[Diehardblues]

This happens all the time. It is too expensive and time consuming to try and stand up for what they believe in court.

However, there is a little twist to this one. Marriott is standing behind their employee with all of the other employees watching. If they agree to a settlement, what message does that send? And more importantly, what message to all of their female employees that might come forward in the future? This is not a Marriott owned hotel but it is crucial to Marriott that they look good to their employees.

I do think it was a good ruling that the identity of this woman not be allowed to be made public by his lawyer.

Correct

And I think most would support the swift decision Marriott and the NFLN made after receiving the complaint .

I suppose it’s to be expected in a Cowboys forum for there to be some support for a HOF Cowboys player and important before drawing final conclusions to wait until all of the facts and evidence is revealed .

Initially though we can support the hotel and networks decision and make some speculations . And we can be advocates on behalf of women who often are shunned for coming out to file these formal accusations.

We can also speak out against athletes with sexual misconduct history. Athletes, celebrities and public figures who make their living in the public eye must be held to a higher standard. And they should take precaution against opportunists.

They are in the position financially with great influence to protect themself and take lawful action if deemed necessary. Not all of the public or plaintiffs hold the same abilities and why we must help protect them taking notice when there appears to be valid complaints .