PFT: Matt Jones: "It was a bad mistake"

[TellerMorrow34]

I think there is a huge difference between making a mistake, and being a dumbazz. That scenario right there is the perfect example of a dumbazz.

Apparently not. Apparently that just means you make more mistakes than people who use their brain a little bit.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

I dont care if its Stanback or someone else. Almost anyone else deserves a shot over Matt Jones, especially the guys we already have here. He isnt worth wasting a roster spot on.

On a talent aspect, Jones is more deserving. At least he has produced something, what has Stanback done.
Besides, he deserves a second chance. It's not like he killed a man or shot someone, he did some coke. Not justifying the crime, on a relative comparison he's more deserving than Pacman and we brought him in didn't we.
I'd say give him a chance on vet's minimum andgive him a zero tolerance contract. Besides, he isn't known for drama just stupid decisions involving substances.

 

[casmith07]

On a talent aspect, Jones is more deserving. At least he has produced something, what has Stanback done.
Besides, he deserves a second chance. It's not like he killed a man or shot someone, he did some coke. Not justifying the crime, on a relative comparison he's more deserving than Pacman and we brought him in didn't we.
I'd say give him a chance on vet's minimum andgive him a zero tolerance contract. Besides, he isn't known for drama just stupid decisions involving substances.

SCREW Matt Jones.

 

[Stash]

On a talent aspect, Jones is more deserving. At least he has produced something, what has Stanback done.
Besides, he deserves a second chance. It's not like he killed a man or shot someone, he did some coke. Not justifying the crime, on a relative comparison he's more deserving than Pacman and we brought him in didn't we.
I'd say give him a chance on vet's minimum and give him a zero tolerance contract. Besides, he isn't known for drama just stupid decisions involving substances.

I think you succintly summed up my stance on this as well.

 

[Hostile]

You may be right, but to the best of my knowledge, there is no prior evidence that he did. As far as I know, he did not have any failed drug tests from the league.

Again, I think prior to his arrest, he was lazy. He was an arrogant, immature athlete who was blessed with great athletic ability and never worked at it, taking it all for granted. But I think the arrest last season was his wake-up call. And I think his performance last season supports this. He went from a 'sure-cut' bust to the team's leading receiver.

First times are never in a car. First time you don't want anyone to see you. It was a habit for him by the time he was caught.

It isn't hard to mask drug tests. They have all kinds of stuff that dilutes urine and gives false reads. The only true test is a hair follicle test but the Players Union won't support it.

Basically what I am saying is someone has to be seriously dumb to test positive for anything today. So I'm not at all shocked that Jones had never been caught before.

His actions indicate a man who was already comfortable in doing coke.

No thanks.

 

[Hostile]

What message did Owens release send? Most players said TO wasnt the problem. This isnt Oprah where we need to be in touch with our inner feelings, its football and sometimes these guys create problems. The Irvin cocaine is relevant, since the same ones who condemn Matt Jones give Irvin a pass. Why? Because Irvin produces, so the cocaine and other problems were ok. Sorry I didnt draw it a Madden formation to keep your attention.

You slept through 2008 right?

 

[Stash]

First times are never in a car. First time you don't want anyone to see you. It was a habit for him by the time he was caught.

It isn't hard to mask drug tests. They have all kinds of stuff that dilutes urine and gives false reads. The only true test is a hair follicle test but the Players Union won't support it.

Basically what I am saying is someone has to be seriously dumb to test positive for anything today. So I'm not at all shocked that Jones had never been caught before.

His actions indicate a man who was already comfortable in doing coke.

No thanks.

I can appreciate you not wanting to sign a guy who has any connection to drugs.

But I don't agree with your stance that he was a habitual user who just happened to get caught.

Unless there is solid evidence to support that claim, I choose to go by what I do know rather than anything circumstantial.

I guess it's just a difference of opinions.

But most likely a moot point anyway because I think Jerry was honest in his statement that the team has no interest in signing him.

I think he's wrong, but I think he's honest.

 

[DallasEast]

On a talent aspect, Jones is more deserving. At least he has produced something, what has Stanback done.
Besides, he deserves a second chance. It's not like he killed a man or shot someone, he did some coke. Not justifying the crime, on a relative comparison he's more deserving than Pacman and we brought him in didn't we.
I'd say give him a chance on vet's minimum andgive him a zero tolerance contract. Besides, he isn't known for drama just stupid decisions involving substances.

There are 31 teams which could give Matt Jones a 'second chance'. Why should Dallas be more obligated to give him that opportunity over all the rest?

Our supposed need at the position does not equate as an obligation for Matt Jones. If the proposed need must be met, it should be qualified by the player which the team feels is best suited to fill it.

In this instance, the NFL is obligated to assist players with non-drug dependence. It is not obligated for re-supplying him with a profession which he lost due to personal issues in violation of the NFL and NFLPA 2008 Personal Code Policy.

 

[BAT]

Matt Jones is a lazy dumbazz and an average player. That' 3 reasons why he won't get a "second" chance w/the Cowboys.


He may have talent, but those 3 traits COMBINED will not entice Jerry Jones, especially b/c Jerry's new mission specifically calls for players with the profile that is the exact opposite of the first 2 traits. The exclamation point is that Jerry CUT a player who was worlds more accomplished than Matt Jones.

 

[Hostile]

I can appreciate you not wanting to sign a guy who has any connection to drugs.

But I don't agree with your stance that he was a habitual user who just happened to get caught.

Unless there is solid evidence to support that claim, I choose to go by what I do know rather than anything circumstantial.

I guess it's just a difference of opinions.

But most likely a moot point anyway because I think Jerry was honest in his statement that the team has no interest in signing him.

I think he's wrong, but I think he's honest.

I simply refuse to be wide eyed and say "golly, you really got caught the very first time you ever tried drugs?"

No one does cocaine as the first drug they try, has the audacity to prepare it in a car, and knows how to prepare it and how much to do so that they get a good buzz and not overdose and die.

That's just too much for me to swallow.

 

[Stash]

I simply refuse to be wide eyed and say "golly, you really got caught the very first time you ever tried drugs?"

No one does cocaine as the first drug they try, has the audacity to prepare it in a car, and knows how to prepare it and how much to do so that they get a good buzz and not overdose an die.

That's just too much for me to swallow.

That's fine.

But I don't see where you can say that he was a multi-time user without any evidence.

I'd call it unknown.

 

[Hostile]

That's fine.

But I don't see where you can say that he was a multi-time user without any evidence.

I'd call it unknown.

I call it obvious.

 

[Four]

Coke and Meth are out of your system within about 48 hours, so it takes a really stupid person to test positive for either one. Though I am unclear on how hair testing works, but there are shampoos for that.

That nascar driver who just tested positive for meth(again) must be an all time idiot.

 

[5Stars]

Coke and Meth are out of your system within about 48 hours, so it takes a really stupid person to test positive for either one. Though I am unclear on how hair testing works, but there are shampoos for that.

That nascar driver who just tested positive for meth(again) must be an all time idiot.

Naw...he's no idiot. He just made a "mistake"!

 

[Idgit]

That's fine.

But I don't see where you can say that he was a multi-time user without any evidence.

I'd call it unknown.

Nobody knew he was a single time user until he was caught doing coke in a car with his buddies. It might be unknown, but that's not the same thing as its not being an issue. It shouldn't even be in question, frankly.

"[Cocaine] is something I hadn't really done in the past, so it's not like there was ever a drug problem," Jones told the Times-Union. "[The incident] was something where I was with some of my buddies. It was a bad mistake, bad judgment on everybody's part."
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I've razzed you about Matt Jones in the past, but I do see why you like the guy. I do have to say that his quote above on the topic doesn't make me any more positively disposed to having him on the roster in place of a current, healthy player. He's equivocating about whether or not he'd tried coke previously, disputes the notion that he's got a problem with drugs which is patently wrong since drugs are at least partially responsible for him being currently without a team, and then deflects the bad judgement by spreading it to everyone involved in the arrest. Granted, there's some pop-psyching going on on my part there, but that's not exactly the attitude I want to hear from a player on the road to recovery.

 

[Four]

Naw...he's no idiot. He just made a "mistake"!

multiple positive tests, versus caught one time.

you guys really don't pay attention sometimes.

 

[Stash]

Nobody knew he was a single time user until he was caught doing coke in a car with his buddies. It might be unknown, but that's not the same thing as its not being an issue. It shouldn't even be in question, frankly.

"[Cocaine] is something I hadn't really done in the past, so it's not like there was ever a drug problem," Jones told the Times-Union. "[The incident] was something where I was with some of my buddies. It was a bad mistake, bad judgment on everybody's part."​

I've razzed you about Matt Jones in the past, but I do see why you like the guy. I do have to say that his quote above on the topic doesn't make me any more positively disposed to having him on the roster in place of a current, healthy player. He's equivocating about whether or not he'd tried coke previously, disputes the notion that he's got a problem with drugs which is patently wrong since drugs are at least partially responsible for him being currently without a team, and then deflects the bad judgement by spreading it to everyone involved in the arrest. Granted, there's some pop-psyching going on on my part there, but that's not exactly the attitude I want to hear from a player on the road to recovery.

If you can find a couple of 'current, healthy players' I'm interested.

:laugh2:

Seems like he's trying to say (whether truthful or not) that he hadn't done coke before so there wasn't a 'habit' or as he stated 'problem'. Although doing it at all is obviously a problem.

And I don't think he was deflecting bad judgement by including others but more trying to buy them the same forgiveness he's looking for rather than saying something like "I was hanging out with the wrong people".

Again, I see a guy who had everything handed to him and took it all for granted. I'd read reports that he'd been lazy and lackadaisical in the past and that he treated his career like he 'deserved it'.

And I think having that taken away - if only for a short time - last season woke him up and he had by far the best season of his career.

I also believe if he hadn't had a couple of beers on the golf course that there's no way Jacksonville would have cut him.

I think that any team who signed the guy could get a 26 year old player with great physical attributes and something to prove. A guy you could probably sign to a multi-year deal with no bonus involved and a zero tolerance policy.

 

[5Stars]

multiple positive tests, versus caught one time.

you guys really don't pay attention sometimes.

Oh...we pay attention, to people that make sense.


My "mistake" was reading your definition of mistake.


I should have known better, huh? My bad....

 

[Four]

lmao that in any other instance when people screw up they made a mistake, except this time.

double standard much?

 

[Texan_Eph89]

There are 31 teams which could give Matt Jones a 'second chance'. Why should Dallas be more obligated to give him that opportunity over all the rest?

Our supposed need at the position does not equate as an obligation for Matt Jones. If the proposed need must be met, it should be qualified by the player which the team feels is best suited to fill it.

In this instance, the NFL is obligated to assist players with non-drug dependence. It is not obligated for re-supplying him with a profession which he lost due to personal issues in violation of the NFL and NFLPA 2008 Personal Code Policy.

We need depth at WR.
Jones has produced more than everyone on our roster outside of Roy and Crayton as far as WR are concerned.
Sure another team could pick him up, and one probably will sometime during the season. However, I think we're expecting too much out of Miles Austin, he made a few decent plays (when defenses were in zone defending T.O., Witten, Roy, and sometimes Crayton). When you're the 4th or 5th option going deep, the only defender you have to worry about is the S up top. WR depth is needed, if Miles succeeds and proves he's worthy of the 2nd spot then we can drop Jones, but otherwise some depth is needed.