PFT: Matt Jones: "It was a bad mistake"

[THUMPER]

explain the difference rather than feigning shock?

if I decide to walk my dog while my dinner is cooking and I burn my dinner I made a mistake, I deliberately did it, and it's still a mistake.

This is a ridiculous position to even have to defend.

There's no point trying to explain it to you. If you don't get the difference no amount of explanation is going to change your mind. The shock is that you DON'T see that there's a difference. That's pretty sad.

 

[tyke1doe]

explain the difference to me

willingly doing something that blows up in your face is still a mistake, if it isn't then tell me the difference?

But by your argument unintentionally doing something that blows up in your face is a mistake.

So how do you make a distinction between the two? How do you accurately communicate the difference in the two actions which are "mistakes" but clearly aren't the same thing?

You do so by using different words so there's no confusion that you're talking about two separate things.

Let me give you another example.

Let's say you have two situations that are similar.

Situation 1: Tyke1doe pushes Four.

Situation 2: Tyke1doe pushes Four.

Both situations invovle a "push."

But in Situation 1: Tyke1doe pushes Four because Four doesn't see a car coming and Tyke1doe pushes Four so Four won't get struck by the card.

In Situation 2: Tyke1doe doesn't like Four so he pushes Four. In that situation I have essentially assaulted you, defined as touching someone in a violent manner.

Do you think justice is done to the meaning of both situations if I use the term pushes in both cases?

Of course, not. Why?

Because even though the two actions are the same, the intent of both are different. And to represent both by the same term (pushes) is misleading.

That's why we have different words to define actions that appear the same but in intent are not the same.

Therefore, I don't think the term mistake is a good one to use because the connotation behind mistake means one did not make an intentional decision. Poor decision or irresponsible decision are better words to convey what Jones did.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But by your argument unintentionally doing something that blows up in your face is a mistake.

So how do you make a distinction between the two? How do you accurately communicate the difference in the two actions which are "mistakes" but clearly aren't the same thing?

You do so by using different words so there's no confusion that you're talking about two separate things.

Let me give you another example.

Let's say you have two situations that are similar.

Situation 1: Tyke1doe pushes Four.

Situation 2: Tyke1doe pushes Four.

Both situations invovle a "push."

But in Situation 1: Tyke1doe pushes Four because Four doesn't see a car coming and Tyke1doe pushes Four so Four won't get struck by the card.

In Situation 2: Tyke1doe doesn't like Four so he pushes Four. In that situation I have essentially assaulted you, defined as touching someone in a violent manner.

Do you think justice is done to the meaning of both situations if I use the term pushes in both cases?

Of course, not. Why?

Because even though the two actions are the same, the intent of both are different. And to represent both by the same term (pushes) is misleading.

That's why we have different words to define actions that appear the same but in intent are not the same.

Therefore, I don't think the term mistake is a good one to use because the connotation behind mistake means one did not make an intentional decision. Poor decision or irresponsible decision are better words to convey what Jones did.

that's way too much work

just ask him if people get locked up for making mistakes? according to him there is no difference, so every mistake must be punishable by spending 30 days in the brig

thanks Four, you just screwed us all, esp. yourself, hope you enjoy that life sentence! LOL

 

[Stash]

It seems to me that Matt Jones is not the first person to use (or misuse as some feel) the word mistake in describing his actions.

I've often heard the term "people make mistakes" when people are looking for or giving forgiveness.

I think more than terminology, this comes down to whether people feel he should be forgiven and given another chance or not.

And that's an individual decision with no absolute right or wrong answer.

 

[burmafrd]

To me a MISTAKE is something you do mostly unintentionally. You maybe had some bad info or did not know the whole story, etc. Like pressing the wrong button on a vending machine. That area.

When you do drugs that is INTENTIONAL, and its not based on bad info.

Its not a mistake. You can call it stupid behavior, etc. BUT NOT A MISTAKE.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You left out a step. They get hit with a fine for their 2nd offense. It is the 3rd offense that results in suspensions.

yep, that's what happened with Quincy Carter, the 1st 2 steps are never leaked, and everyone just assumes that when they get suspended that it was their 1st time

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And that's an individual decision with no absolute right or wrong answer.

how come people who are wrong always say that?:

 

[Stash]

how come people who are wrong always say that?:

Nice.

And nice job with the Penn and Teller video the other night. Got a good laugh.

I hope you and your 'girl' have worked things out!

 

[speedkilz88]

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Use judgment in a Sentence

–noun 1.an act or instance of judging.2.the ability to judge, MAKE A DECISION, or form an opinion objectively, authoritatively, and wisely, esp. in matters affecting action; GOOD SENSE; DISCRETION: a man of sound judgment. 3.the demonstration or exercise of such ability or capacity: The major was decorated for the judgment he showed under fire. 4.the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind: Our judgment as to the cause of his failure must rest on the evidence. 5.the opinion formed: He regretted his hasty judgment. 6.Law. a.a judicial decision given by a judge or court.b.the obligation, esp. a debt, arising from a judicial decision.c.the certificate embodying such a decision and issued against the obligor, esp. a debtor.7.a misfortune regarded as inflicted by divine sentence, as for sin.8.(usually initial capital letter

) Also called Last Judgment, Final Judgment. the final trial of all people, both the living and dead, at the end of the world.

Also, especially British, judgement.

Origin:
1250&#8211;1300; ME jug(g)ement < OF jugement, equiv. to juge- (s. of jugier to judge ) + -ment -ment

Synonyms:
1. determination. 2. discrimination, discernment, perspicacity; sagacity, WISDOM, INTELLIGENCE, PRUDENCE. 6a. verdict, decree.


this definition would be more applicable since Matt made a decision that didn't apply wisdom, intelligence or prudence

So are you saying it was a misjudgment?


Main Entry: mistake
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: error, misunderstanding
Synonyms: aberration, blooper, blunder, boo-boo, bungle, confusion, delusion, erratum, false move, false step, fault, faux pas, flub, fluff, gaffe, illusion, inaccuracy, inadvertence, lapse, misapplication, misapprehension, miscalculation, misconception, misinterpretation, misjudgment,: misprint, misstatement, misstep, muddle, neglect, omission, overestimation, oversight, slight, slip, slip of tongue, slipup, snafu, solecism, trip*, typographical error, underestimation

 

[Four]

OKay, so if I bang some chick and I get an STD, did I make a mistake?

because according to the prevailing logic in this thread, I didn't.

 

[DallasEast]

OKay, so if I bang some chick and I get an STD, did I make a mistake?

because according to the prevailing logic in this thread, I didn't.

Question: Did you have prior knowledge of your sexual partner having a sexually transmitted disease?

 

[Four]

nope, but I knew it was a possibility, I did it anyways, then my peepee 'sploded.

it hurt by the way, really badly, and I knew it might happen, but I went ahead because it felt good at the time.

 

[adbutcher]

I dont care if its Stanback or someone else. Almost anyone else deserves a shot over Matt Jones, especially the guys we already have here. He isnt worth wasting a roster spot on.

 

[DallasEast]

nope, but I knew it was a possibility, I did it anyways, then my peepee 'sploded.

If you considered that it was a possibility and did not take every precaution, contracting the STD was not a mistake.

 

[Four]

If you considered that it was a possibility and did not take every precaution, contracting the STD was not a mistake.

hahahaha, you guys are full of it.

 

[DallasEast]

hahahaha, you guys are full of it.

 

[DallasEast]

nope, but I knew it was a possibility, I did it anyways, then my peepee 'sploded.

it hurt by the way, really badly, and I knew it might happen, but I went ahead because it felt good at the time.

1. That's a quick edit.

2. You're dumb as hell.

3. :laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OKay, so if I bang some chick and I get an STD, did I make a mistake?

because according to the prevailing logic in this thread, I didn't.

it's a mistake if you forget to bring your condom

having unprotected sex isn't a guarantee that you will contract a disease though, and it's not wrong to have unprotected sex

 

[BAT]

nope, but I knew it was a possibility, I did it anyways, then my peepee 'sploded.

it hurt by the way, really badly, and I knew it might happen, but I went ahead because it felt good at the time.

I think there is a huge difference between making a mistake, and being a dumbazz. That scenario right there is the perfect example of a dumbazz.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So are you saying it was a misjudgment?


Main Entry: mistake
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: error, misunderstanding
Synonyms: aberration, blooper, blunder, boo-boo, bungle, confusion, delusion, erratum, false move, false step, fault, faux pas, flub, fluff, gaffe, illusion, inaccuracy, inadvertence, lapse, misapplication, misapprehension, miscalculation, misconception, misinterpretation, misjudgment,: misprint, misstatement, misstep, muddle, neglect, omission, overestimation, oversight, slight, slip, slip of tongue, slipup, snafu, solecism, trip*, typographical error, underestimation

I know you're just messing

but there is no misjudging cocaine