News: PFT: Mike McCarthy: We feel it's important to support Kelvin Joseph based on information we have

[Cowpolk]

Really? Who did I say it was?

Colonel Mustard

 

[Runwildboys]

Colonel Mustard

In the library, with the candlestick...Now I remember!

 

[DonaldM]

We suck in round 2. Should have just grabbed another gimp. This boy in trouble.

 

[Runwildboys]

That doesn't who reported KJ to the police either. You were making up stories about who that was.

So...who's making up stories?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So...who's making up stories?

You were saying so an so told the Cowboys and went from there. You did that time.

 

[Haimerej]

Lol. For reference Fuzzy is referring to page 10 of the thread. There's a reason he's not quoting.

 

[baltcowboy]

I hope you all understand that if the DA had something to charge Joseph with he would have been charged. The police have not one but two shooters in custody. In cases like this there are very few if any witnesses that come forward to testify. It seems like posters and the media want something to happen. Joseph will not get mysteriously arrested before the season.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What makes me laugh about this, fuzzy, is you say you're interested in facts and empirical causation yet you're perfectly willing to make all types of inferences about me and my motivations.

You make broad assumptions about KJ based on where he grew up and what he said in an interview, as if his public persona isn't partially reliant on perpetuating his, "cred." You push this narrative that because of where and how he grew up he is worthy of a second chance at worst. You know just as much as any other fan yet you present yourself as objective, denying the fact your whole position is based on some "special knowledge," about KJs life.

You rob him of his agency by implying the possibility that he was just a punk who thought he got away with it is irrational, "wishcasting," while denying your own position is based off hope.

Growing up in a bad neighborhood isn't a license to be bad. Some people believe in consequences for actions. You know, accountability. They think Joseph deserves consequences based on the following fact (those things you care about)-

He only came forward when it was impossible to stay quiet.

You may not like it, but that’s enough for me and others. Yes... yes... speaking for others again. Then again I have at least some, "empirical evidence," that people agree with me, just as you have for yourself. The other, "fact," that you seem to have trouble with is the idea that people can understand he grew up badly but still think he deserves punishment for not coming forward.

All I said was that I found it interesting that people could not understand why some people might not be comfortable approaching police. Other people came forward with their experiences.

The environment someone comes from certainly is a factor but I can probably think of half a dozen reasons why someone might not like the police that don't involve them in a murder. I'm not playing that game though because I accept we are in a position of ignorance to critical details.

And here you are again acting like some sort of authority. You don't decide what can be licensed and what cannot. The DA has that authority. They have made the arrest for the murder of Mr. Ray. KJ will be back at work tomorrow.

 

[Haimerej]

I hope you all understand that if the DA had something to charge Joseph with he would have been charged. The police have not one but two shooters in custody. In cases like this there are very few if any witnesses that come forward to testify. It seems like posters and the media want something to happen. Joseph will not get mysteriously arrested before the season.

It's more about sharing our opinions and realizing he likely won't face consequences. I've been saying that since the beginning with Fuzzy, two threads ago, but he keeps bringing up legalities as if it matters to me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

From the reports we've seen, it seems to me that someone close to the Cowboys organization recognized KJ and called the team directly, and the team advised him to go to the police and get ahead of the situation. Whether he made a deal or convinced them he was innocent remains to be seen.

What reports?

 

[Haimerej]

All I said was that I found it interesting that people could not understand why some people might not be comfortable approaching police. Other people came forward with their experiences.

Which is a strawman because you can't accept someone understanding your point and rejecting it. Instead you have to attack the idea as irrational.

The environment someone comes from certainly is a factor but I can probably think of half a dozen reasons why someone might not like the police that don't involve them in a murder. I'm not playing that game though because I accept we are in a position of ignorance to critical details.

Any good reasons?

And here you are again acting like some sort of authority. You don't decide what can be licensed and what cannot. The DA has that authority. They have made the arrest for the murder of Mr. Ray. KJ will be back at work tomorrow.

Are you speaking authoritatively here? Just asking for clarification.

 

[baltcowboy]

It's more about sharing our opinions and realizing he likely won't face consequences. I've been saying that since the beginning with Fuzzy, two threads ago, but he keeps bringing up legalities as if it matters to me.

I think we all agree we feel slimy about the situation but the reality is in these situations the cops make deals. Police work is a dirty business. Without Joseph they have nothing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Which is a strawman because you can't accept someone understanding your point and rejecting it. Instead you have to attack the idea as irrational.



Any good reasons?



Are you speaking authoritatively here? Just asking for clarification.

First of all I said I didn't understand why people couldn't understand that. You are making it about yourself. I did not. That being said you don't understand. There are given exceptions in many of the refuse to report statutes. The Texas statute gives a couple of of them.

I get that you are inflexible but at the same time you do not have a legally reasonable position. Your moral grandstanding aside you don't have much of anything.

 

[Haimerej]

I think we all agree we feel slimy about the situation but the reality is in these situations the cops make deals. Police work is a dirty business. Without Joseph they have nothing.

Yep.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think we all agree we feel slimy about the situation but the reality is in these situations the cops make deals. Police work is a dirty business. Without Joseph they have nothing.

It's curious how the DA goes from having a class A failure to report held over his head to giving him a pass for murder.

 

[Haimerej]

First of all I said I didn't understand why people couldn't understand that. You are making it about yourself. I did not. That being said you don't understand. There are given exceptions in many of the refuse to report statutes. The Texas statute gives a couple of of them.

Guess I inferred correctly. Based it off the conversation we had in the poofed thread fitting the context of your statement.

Would cooperating in a murder investigation fit an exception?

I get that you are inflexible but at the same time you do not have a legally reasonable position. Your moral grandstanding aside you don't have much of anything.

I didn't know I was before a judge here, Your Honor.

 

[Haimerej]

It's curious how the DA goes from having a class A failure to report held over his head to giving him a pass for murder.

Why do you keep bringing up someone saying he killed someone?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Guess I inferred correctly. Based it off the conversation we had in the poofed thread fitting the context of your statement.

Would cooperating in a murder investigation fit an exception?



I didn't know I was before a judge here, Your Honor.

Perhaps this quote from Nietzsche sums up our exchange best:

The slave revolt in morality begins when 'ressentiment' itself becomes creative and gives birth to values: the ressentiment of natures that are denied the true reaction, that of deeds, and compensate themselves with an imaginary revenge. While every noble morality develops from a triumphant affirmation of itself, slave morality from the outset says No to what is "outside," what is "different," what is "not itself"; and this No is its creative deed.

I've wasted far too much of the weekend with this.

 

[Runwildboys]

You were saying so an so told the Cowboys and went from there. You did that time.

No, I said "It seems to me that someone close to the Cowboys organization recognized Joseph and called the team." In fact, I didn't even have to type most of that sentence just now, because my phone auto filled everything after "seems". I never stated or implied that anyone in particular told the team. I made it very clear that was my guess.

 

[Haimerej]

Perhaps this quote from Nietzsche sums up our exchange best:

I've wasted far too much of the weekend with this.

No wonder he went crazy. Apparently belief in an objective good was alien to him.