PFT: Pete Caroll on college players getting NIL money, "It changes their mentality"

[CowboyRoy]

The reason society sucks now is because everything is about money. Everything.

Society doesnt suck at all. Its actually great. Best its ever been. If you watch the news it sucks. Stop watching the news.

 

[tyke1doe]

Absolutely but we need a sharper distinction between amateur and professional college athletics.

Fair enough.

 

[HungryLion]

So let’s start making these millionaire professionals pay for their degrees. Why use a scholarship on someone that doesn’t need it? Why should football and basketball players enjoy such inequitable privileges?

Why do you care what benefits or pay they’re given for their labor?

That’s the part I don’t understand. Why does it bother people that other people are being paid to do a job that it takes a rare skill to do?

 

[Qcard]

The point is to allow those scholarships to go to kids that are there for an education and not a stepping stone to pro sports.

So you are asking Colleges to forgo the revenue and exposure that comes with having the best collegiate athletes?

Try sell that to any Collegiate Board. You act like the Colleges are doing athletes a favor.....it's a symbiotic relationship

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Why do you care what benefits or pay they’re given for their labor?

That’s the part I don’t understand. Why does it bother people that other people are being paid to do a job that it takes a rare skill to do?

I don’t care. I just don’t find it all that fair to other college athletes or other kids wanting a scholarship. But that’s fine, the university ethos was raped long ago..just more of the same.

 

[CouchCoach]

The point is to allow those scholarships to go to kids that are there for an education and not a stepping stone to pro sports.

While that sounds good, other than family members, few are going to show up to watch scholars play football.

These days, the only players that stay for the full 4 can't get drafted.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So the schools can rake in millions off of the players who aren’t “professionals” and that’s ok? Lol

NCAA is massive. Multibillion dollar a year just for football. Once you throw in the other sports and it becomes gigantic.

It's got to be near impossible to account all of it because of how the sports teams organizations are interweaved into the school and conference and privacy laws but it has to be at least as big financially as the NFL. I'd theorize it to be much much larger than that.

They all got together all those schools, conferences, and clubs and agreed to not pay their workers and label them something else. That is literally what the law found.

 

[kumizi]

What? In America we play sports as early as 2. We play sports in elementary school.

People in other countries play sports growing up too. But once they decide they no longer want to study academics but be an athlete, they go to the pros.

As Cardale Jones famously said “we ain’t come here to play school.”

This is like the tipping thing. Americans just can’t grasp it.

 

[HungryLion]

People in other countries play sports growing up too. But once they decide they no longer want to study academics but be an athlete, they go to the pros.

As Cardale Jones famously said “we ain’t come here to play school.”

This is like the tipping thing. Americans just can’t grasp it.

The issue is complicated by the fact that college football acts as the NFL’s farm system.


Other sports have farm systems or have other leagues both domestic or international where players can play to showcase their skills as opposed to going to college.


However, college football is so ingrained culturally that people would have a hissy fit if the best players coming out of high school chose to play somewhere else as opposed to their alma mater or state university.

Football players coming out of high school who want to make it professionally really don’t have much of a choice beyond college football though. So I don’t think it’s fair to criticize them for not wanting to be considered just an “amateur” sport.

 

[acr731]

Colleges profit off them students more than the student will EVER profit off of the college

let em make money they need it

Except the only ones getting paid are the athletes. What about the rest of the kids? They need to money just as much, sometimes even more.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Except the only ones getting paid are the athletes. What about the rest of the kids? They need to money just as much, sometimes even more.

Rest of the kids are free to get jobs wherever they want. College players? Not so much.

 

[GINeric]

So it's a problem when young athletes capitalize on their own name and likeness, but it wasn't a problem for decades when young athletes in college weren't allowed to make money, yet their jerseys and posters were sold in sports apparel stores and their likeness used in a billion dollar video game industry without them making a dime....

The college institutions are just mad that they can't pimp these kids anymore.

 

[GINeric]

Except the only ones getting paid are the athletes. What about the rest of the kids? They need to money just as much, sometimes even more.

The rest of the kids aren't bringing in tens of millions of dollars with their skills and likeness like athletes bring to schools.

When's the last time you drove long distances or stood in line to see some random kid in medical school or in some law class??? When's the last time you heard of someone rushing home on Saturday to watch students in the chemistry lab experiment with solutions in a test tube??


Exactly.

 

[Adreme]

Dude I’m only 43….born in 1980. This country has been all about money since 1913. Fortunately it hadn’t saturated everything in existence until the 90’s. People actually had values and didn’t always worship at the altar of the dollar. The narcissism and greed has only gotten worse this century.

It absolutely ruled the 80s. The 80s was the era that popularized the phrase "greed is good". If anything the 80s is when greed went out of control (you can certainly trace the start of wealth explosion of the very rich to around then).

 

[MyFairLady]

The "kids" should be free to get whatever they can. That is what the "adults" have been doing for years.

 

[shabazz]

The reason society sucks now is because everything is about money. Everything.

Yup, the NCAA just found a way to make them even less character people than they were churning out previously

just a microcosm of society really

 

[DFWJC]

This is a football forum so we see things through that lens

The "revenue" sports are different than the other 20+ plus college sports.

Most college athletes do not play sports for the money.

Big time college football and basketball (and even baseball in some cases) are just different.

 

[moneytalks]

When I am new around a place I like to call out people as hypocrites too. . .

Actually Fuzzy I'm not new. Been around for almost 20 years, long before the site was in its current format. I'm just not much of a poster. I just found it interesting that someone lamenting one schools "bribing" of recruits was completely ok with another school doing exactly what he was complaining about, as long as the second school was the one he rooted for. But alas I too thought after posting perhaps I was a little aggressive. And yes, I'm acutely aware of the irony of someone with my username commenting in a thread about greed. Lol. Que sera sera?

 

[moneytalks]

I want UT to win national championships.

Touche, I appreciate your honesty. Bribing recruits is fine as long as its your school doing it.

 

[Momanpr100]

Except the only ones getting paid are the athletes. What about the rest of the kids? They need to money just as much, sometimes even more.

This is why there needs to be a unlike button