PFT: Plaxico pleads guilty...to serve two years

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links18;2893331 said:
2 years for shooting yourself? That is more than a little harsh. He may have been illegally carrying the gun, but he showed no hostile intent with it. Those are some draconian laws. :confused:

Yes, the laws are draconian and Plax knew that and still risked it all by breaking them. That makes him pretty dumb on this issue.
 

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Ken;2893171 said:
2 years in jail for shooting yourself in the leg?

Great.

Anyone else think it is a little ridiculous? I mean the guy is dumb, no doubt, but he didn't hurt anyone but himself. Yes, he should have registered the gun, but these guys think there above the law- see all of them that drive without licenses...

I find it just amazing.

Laws are laws. I think it sucks for him but thats the way it goes. Obey or the laws or serve time. You don't make exceptions because of the end result. What if he had shot someone else?
 

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joseephuss;2893341 said:
Yes, the laws are draconian and Plax knew that and still risked it all by breaking them. That makes him pretty dumb on this issue.

I doubt he had any idea what the law is. Like you say, he is pretty dumb.
 

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8 months and he'll get parole out of the whole 24 months. If he did 4 months in jail while the proceedings where going on he would have been serving "dead time" and would have gotten out even quicker.

Can't remember if they consider "dead time" time and a half or double time served. He could have done that in the off season, finished his case up on a plea bargain and use that time against his sentence which may have already been time served as long as he could work out instant parole.

Plus the DA takes in consideration that time has already been served and therefore acceptable rehabilitation has been received. He would have been back playing next season and would have served the suspension Goodell would have brought down. He really believed he wasn't going to do any time at all. Apparently he was petrified of the thought of even doing a week.
 

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links18;2893370 said:
I doubt he had any idea what the law is. Like you say, he is pretty dumb.

From Doug Farrar at FO:

"What I remember from Bill Parcells' book, The Final Season (yeah, right) is that the Jets would hammer the New York gun laws home to their players from day one. I doubt the Giants are any different, since their head coach isn't exactly a softie and they're not known as a dysfunctional organization for the most part. There are simply cases where, no matter how dumb you are, you just can't plead ignorance."


Personally, just the fact that he got a gun into a NYC night club is alarming right there. It's borderline sexual harrassment the way they frisk the non-celebs around here before you enter a club. NY doesn't mess around when it comes to guns.
 

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joseephuss;2893341 said:
Yes, the laws are draconian and Plax knew that and still risked it all by breaking them. That makes him pretty dumb on this issue.

How do you know he knew them?? He had a right to carry permit in FL, maybe he thought it carried over. That said, ignorance isnt a defense. He should have some kind of punishment, however, i dont think he should be even serving time, much less 20 months.

Again, it all comes down to these gun control freaks. DC/NY has the most strict gun laws out there, yet they're still the murder capitals of the world. Yeah...these laws are working.
 

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Ken;2893171 said:
2 years in jail for shooting yourself in the leg?

Great.

Anyone else think it is a little ridiculous? I mean the guy is dumb, no doubt, but he didn't hurt anyone but himself. Yes, he should have registered the gun, but these guys think there above the law- see all of them that drive without licenses...

I find it just amazing.


It has nothing to do with him shooting himself. Its carrying the gun. Thats a no-no and an automatic jail sentence in NY.
 

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rynochop;2893406 said:
How do you know he knew them?? He had a right to carry permit in FL, maybe he thought it carried over. That said, ignorance isnt a defense. He should have some kind of punishment, however, i dont think he should be even serving time, much less 20 months.

Again, it all comes down to these gun control freaks. DC/NY has the most strict gun laws out there, yet they're still the murder capitals of the world. Yeah...these laws are working.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/25/2009-04-25_city_crime_still_falling.html

"The city's crime rate for the first three months of 2009 was the lowest in more than 40 years, defying fears that the sinking economy might send the city back into the bad old days of rampant murders and rough streets.Through the end of last month, overall crime dropped 13.5% from a year ago - down in every major category, including homicides, with 89, according to daily crime statistics from police. Last year, there were 116 homicides during the same period.

Robberies were also down from 4,837 last year at this time to 4,131 this year, and grand larcenies dropped from 10,030 to 8,854.

"I know there's an anticipation ... that crime would go up as a result of the economic turndown. We just haven't experienced that," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Friday."

I know it can be hard to understand these laws for those who didn't see the old days in NYC, when it was considered dangerous to venture out alone at night. But NYC is waaay safer now, thanks to a lot of work done by Giuliani and his successor, Bloomberg. The gun laws aren't solely the reason, but it certainly feels safer to know that in a city of millions, you don't have random people in the subway packing heat.

Try going to a nightclub knowing that various thugs could be aiming to work out their "differences" and leave you in the crossfire. It isn't fun.
 

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rynochop;2893406 said:
How do you know he knew them?? He had a right to carry permit in FL, maybe he thought it carried over. That said, ignorance isnt a defense. He should have some kind of punishment, however, i dont think he should be even serving time, much less 20 months.

Again, it all comes down to these gun control freaks. DC/NY has the most strict gun laws out there, yet they're still the murder capitals of the world. Yeah...these laws are working.


America's Most Murderous Cities
David M. Ewalt, 11.08.07, 6:00 PM ET


Americans are accustomed to turning on the local TV news and seeing images of mayhem and murder. The world outside, it would seem, is a violent, wrathful, dangerous place.
Of course, television doesn't always tell the whole story. The average American is 36 times more likely to die from heart disease than be murdered, six times more likely to die in an accident and four times more likely to die from Alzheimer's disease, according to data compiled by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.
But homicide does result in many thousands of deaths every year. And a comparison of the 72 American cities with a population over 250,000, using data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Reporting Program, reveals that some places are definitely more murderous than others.
In Pictures: America's Most Murderous Cities

Top on our list? Detroit. The Motor City experienced 418 cases of murder and non-negligent manslaughter in 2006. That's 47.3 murders per every 100,000 residents. Detroit also ranked high for violent crime (No. 2), robbery (No. 4) and forcible rape (No. 12).
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To put it in perspective: Detroit's murder rate is more than 8% higher than the country's second most murderous city, Baltimore, and eight times that of the least murderous metro. More people were murdered in Detroit than in San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas and San Jose combined--and each one of those cities has a bigger population than Detroit.
Baltimore had 276 cases of murder and non-negligent manslaughter in 2006, or 43.3 murders per 100,000 residents. It came in at No. 5 for violent crime, No. 9 for robbery and No. 62 for rape. And the No. 3 city, New Orleans, had 162 murders, or 37.6 murders per 100,000 people; it ranked No. 59 for violent crime, No. 60 for robbery and No. 65 for rape. Rounding out the top five: Newark, N.J. and St. Louis.
Safety In Numbers
Surprisingly, the country's biggest cities aren't usually the most dangerous. Out of the 10 most murderous cities in America, only one, Philadelphia, has a population over 1 million. And America's biggest metro, New York City, is also one of its safest; with a murder rate of 7.3 per 100,000 people, it comes in at No. 50 on a list of the 72 American cities with a population over 250,000.
It's important to note that even though some cities may have comparatively high murder rates, crime is, on the average, down in the U.S over the last two decades. Over that period, the homicide rate in the U.S. has fallen from a 1991 peak of 9.8 murders per 100,000 people, to just 5.7 in 2006.
Still, fearful citizens may find themselves wondering just where they can hide from the wrath of their neighbors. They might want to try the least homicidal big city in America: Plano, Texas, which had only four murders in 2006, a rate of 1.6 murders per 100,000 residents.
 

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rynochop;2893406 said:
How do you know he knew them?? He had a right to carry permit in FL, maybe he thought it carried over. That said, ignorance isnt a defense. He should have some kind of punishment, however, i dont think he should be even serving time, much less 20 months.

Again, it all comes down to these gun control freaks. DC/NY has the most strict gun laws out there, yet they're still the murder capitals of the world. Yeah...these laws are working.

How do you know he did not know them?

When these laws were passed people boasted and talked about them. They were in the news. Most people know you need a license to carry a hand gun and that those licenses vary from state to state. Still you would have to be an idiot to not know that you can't take a gun into a bar whether you have a license or not.

I am not saying the punishment is too much, but he did break the law.
 

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GoCowboysGo;2893140 said:
Idiot, Giant idiot.

He's lucky. It's supposed to be a mandatory 3.5 year sentence. :confused:

Mandatory 1 year sentence per NYC law. The DA was going after him for 3.5.
 

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Just a point of reference here.

Drunk driving > carrying a loaded gun? I would say so.

Killing someone drunk driving - accidental shooting with a loaded gun

House arrest versus 2 years

Hmmmmmmmm.
 

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aikemirv;2893502 said:
Just a point of reference here.

Drunk driving > carrying a loaded gun? I would say so.

Killing someone drunk driving - accidental shooting with a loaded gun

House arrest versus 2 years

Hmmmmmmmm.

Then tell the people in New Orleans to shape up their laws.
 

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Ken;2893171 said:
2 years in jail for shooting yourself in the leg?

Great.

Anyone else think it is a little ridiculous? I mean the guy is dumb, no doubt, but he didn't hurt anyone but himself. Yes, he should have registered the gun, but these guys think there above the law- see all of them that drive without licenses...

I find it just amazing.

I agree completely. I wonder what the charge for DUI in NY is.
 

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Since he shot only himself, how much or how little time he will actually serve isn't an issue with me. I'm simply satisfied with the conviction.

Guns are not playthings. They are, by design, lethal. If you're going to carry one with you in public, that means you should know the law for every single jurisdiction you're entering into without exception.

State. County. City. Etc. Makes zero difference. Personal ignorance of gun laws is not a pathetic excuse. It's pathetic times infinity. In this case, justice has been served correctly.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2893516 said:
I agree completely.
You must have missed this.........
theogt;2893205 said:
He didn't get 2 years in jail for shooting himself in the leg. He got 2 years in jail for the felony offense of criminal possession of a weapon.

Don't want to go to jail? Don't carry a weapon illegally.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
 

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big dog cowboy;2893528 said:
You must have missed this.........

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I don't have a problem with the 2 years because the reason behind that law and its purpose is sound. People who carry loaded guns without permits usually are up to no good. If you have it to protect yourself go get a liscense!

I just can't help compare things.
 
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