PFT: Rosenhaus Says “Several Teams” Are Interested In Owens

[TellerMorrow34]

I guess I could see them maybe taking a shot on him. It would be surprising, with Fisher, but I could see it happening I suppose.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

Well, if 2 teams is several then sure.
As of now, 49ers and Raiders only ones interested....
Looks like T.O. going back to the Bay Area.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Rosenhaus said "teams" not NFL teams. Have fun in the Great White north owens. ...................................I kid.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Fisher actually has alot of respect for TO.

Evidence, please.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Evidence, please.

Are you going to provide evidence for them that says Fisher doesn't have respect for him?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Are you going to provide evidence for them that says Fisher doesn't have respect for him?

Huh? That seems a bit antagonistic and...well...off base.

The clear implication of my original statement was that a coach like Fisher with a track record of being in control would not want to put up with a guy like TO. This was expressed and intended as an opinion, not a statement of fact. I might be way off -- maybe Fisher doesn't run a tight ship, maybe he's got a history of putting up with distractions, etc. I dunno.

The response was a declarative statement of fact -- Jeff Fisher respects TO. Period. It purports to know Jeff Fisher's feelings regarding TO. This would be a perfectly plausible and legitimate response, given some corroborating source, such as a quote from Fisher explicitly or implicitly stating that he respected TO. Otherwise, it's junk.

Seems like a pretty reasonable request to me.

On edit: I'm not just jumping on the guy. It would be genuinely useful for all of us to know Fisher's feelings about TO. If this guy's got real reason to say this, I want to see it.

 

[khiladi]

There was a time in TO's career that teams didn't DARE to match a CB, even the best CB's up against TO in press coverage, if/when they did, TO would abuse them so bad it would not even be funny. However, what happened last year, started all the way back in 2007 (people just do not realize it). Detroit to an extent, and the largely Philly showed the league that you could line up your #1 CB on TO in press coverage with a safety back incase TO did get free, and more often than not, that CB could handle TO himself.

Your going by two games in 2007, prior to Carolina to establish your point, only to forget that he had a two game performance during the 2007 season when it came to yards that was as bad, and earlier in the season. The games against St. Louis and Buffalo, he didn't score a single touchdown and only caught 3 and 2 passes, for 33 yards and 25 yards respectively. He came back the very next game to catch 6 passes for 66 yards and a TD. And in the same manner as earlier in the season, TO came back with 5 catches against Carolina after playing Philly, catching for 48 yards and a TD, and this when getting hurt with the high-ankle sprain mid-way in the second quarter. The guy was on pace for a monster game. The offense absolutely stalled after TO went out.

You also ignore the fact that during that two game stretch you use to establish your point, Tony Romo injured his pinkie and he wasn't throwing well. The Carolina game was actually the game where Tony Romo's pinkie had time to heal. There is a reason the offense scored only six points against Philly the second time around. The whole offense was stagnant.

You established absolutely nothing to prove your point, especially considering the very next game against Carolina, on which TO was on his way back to a monster game and the injury to Romo.

Further, the San Francisco game this year was the only real game where TO had single coverage by a CB, without safety-help over the top, and he was being covered by a number one CB in Nate Clements, whom TO absolutely toasted and put in the second bigges performance of his career. Even Larry Fitzgerald in the Super Bowl was effectively negated the whole game into the fourth quarter with double coverage, until the Cardinals got him in single coverage. His two TDs were against single-coverage, otherwise he was rendered ineffective. The difference is, Haley adjusted the game-plan to use his other threats and when he got the match-ups he wanted with Fitzgerald they threw it to him.

You have also done your self a dis-service because your don't take into account that TO is a receiver best used in the West Coast offense, where quick slants and a lot of motion are employed. The West Coast offense effectively negates the help-over the top, unlike Garrett whose offense is predicated on the deep threat, because the passes are quick and allow TO move to run. In fact, TOs best performance under Garrett was most liekly the first Philly game of last year, when Garrett employed quick strikes to TO. He had one short quick pass that went 45 yards that was against single coverage. Against the Commanders, Tony Romo had one pass where he had a horrid throw straight into the arms of Dante Hall, when TO had him beat on single coverage and most likely would have went for a TD.

The fact that TO succeeded in Garrett's offense is more a testimony to TO being damn good than anything else. When you take into account the three games Romo was out even this year, TOs numbers are right up there in certain categories with the best of them.

That was the end of the quick strike offense and the end of TO's HUGE season even in 2007. After those two games (but largely the Philly game), TO has posted EXACTLY 2 100 yard games out of 18 games. Also TO's yards per catch have gone down significantly as a whole as well. In early 2007 a sub 14 ypc game was RARE, infact he only had 4 sub 14 ypc games (one against St Louis where Crayton went off for 7 catches for 184 yards, and we won 35-7, one against Buffalo the game that Romo threw 5 INT's and the offense never got on track, one against New England (enough said there), and one against New York Jets where we only threw the ball 28 times compared to 34 rushes and won 34-3. He also had ZERO games with TPC of under 10.

So you basically admitted that the whole offense was predicated on TO right, and when teams made it their goal to stop TO, the offense stalled. 16 of those games came this year. What is your point, other than Jason Garrett couldn't adjust his game-plan to make other players succeed?

In no way am I saying that TO is still not a good and dangerous NFL WR, he definately is. But, what I am saying is that TO is no longer an elite #1 WR in the NFL, he is truely more of a #2 type of NFL WR, he has just managed to put up the numbers that he has because he has Romo throwing him the ball and with Witten taking the pressure off of him, and been the #2 target in a passing based offense. Don't think you can put up 69 catches for 1052 yards, and 10 TD's without being a legit #1 NFL WR? Well Mike Martz managed to turn Shaun McDonald into a 79 catch, 943 yard, 6 TD WR as the #3 option in 2007, and that was with Kitna as the starting QB, not a Tony Romo.

How does Witten take pressure off of TO, when it is TO being double-teamed with safety help over the top? That is about as dumb a statement as I have heard. Witten isn't the one getting double-covered. Further, it is amazing isn't it. You said Martz did it, which brings us back to who? Jason Garrett. If Martz can get those numbers out of the number 3 receiver with Kitna, why couldnt Jason do it with Crayton and Roy Williams? Congratulations! You just proved that Mike Martz is a better OC than garrett, which isn't saying much. have you noticed both OCs get their QBs killed because of tgheir long-developing pass plays. Your bringing argmuments that actually prove the opposite of what your trying to establish. The fact is, the numbers of all the receivers declined from last year to this year and so did Witten's. I have said it throughout the year that the number one proof that it is on Garrett is because Crayton's production dropped as a second receiver and further, garrett couldn't take advantage of the fact that Crayton, as a number 3, was lining up against LBs.

 

[khiladi]

Wait a minute... Fisher now wants TO? But, but... no Coach in their right mind would want that cancer, especially a great one like Fisher.... It's getting more and more amusing, isn't it? First San Francisco and now Tennessee... Imagine when the media doesn't talk as much about TO anymore, because he is no longer on the Cowboys...

 

[iceberg]

Are you going to provide evidence for them that says Fisher doesn't have respect for him?

he's not the one who made the claim now is he?

 

[Real1st]

Wait a minute... Fisher now wants TO? But, but... no Coach in their right mind would want that cancer, especially a great one like Fisher.... It's getting more and more amusing, isn't it? First San Francisco and now Tennessee... Imagine when the media doesn't talk as much about TO anymore, because he is no longer on the Cowboys...

You still bitter over TO's release?

 

[iceberg]

Wait a minute... Fisher now wants TO? But, but... no Coach in their right mind would want that cancer, especially a great one like Fisher.... It's getting more and more amusing, isn't it? First San Francisco and now Tennessee... Imagine when the media doesn't talk as much about TO anymore, because he is no longer on the Cowboys...

dude. get over it. you lost your to boy toy and finding 1 or 2 people who don't mind taking a shot on him is NOT validation he's a sought after player in as much as 30 teams saying "no thanks" saying he is.

if 2 can prove your point, 30 can prove mine even more, right?

 

[Clove]

I'd like to see TO with a real QB for once in his life, Indy is the place.

 

[Hostile]

Well, if 2 teams is several then sure.
As of now, 49ers and Raiders only ones interested....
Looks like T.O. going back to the Bay Area.

Well, he won't have to change his cell phone number. It's still a San Fran #.

 

[Hostile]

I'd like to see TO with a real QB for once in his life, Indy is the place.

He's never had a bad QB, that's the problem.

 

[Clove]

He's never had a bad QB, that's the problem.

McNabb is/was a great QB, my bad.

 

[khiladi]

dude. get over it. you lost your to boy toy and finding 1 or 2 people who don't mind taking a shot on him is NOT validation he's a sought after player in as much as 30 teams saying "no thanks" saying he is.

if 2 can prove your point, 30 can prove mine even more, right?

It's none of your business when I choose to get over it. 30 teams not pursuing him may mean many possible things, including they don't have a need for him. If ware was on the market, it doesn't mean every team is going to pursue him, just like Haynesworth was on the marke and not every team pursued him.

And, further it is not even my point that there are 2 teams in the NFL that want him. The two teams are one that supposedly has an axe to grind with him, the 49ers who were allegedly spurred by TO and a team led by Jeff Fisher who is as authoritative and well-respected in the league as Bill Parcells.

 

[khiladi]

He's never had a bad QB, that's the problem.

Jeff Garcia has sure been great... Wait a minute, he's never thrown more than what, 15 TDs in a season without TO... The fact is, even those great QBs like McNabb, their numbers improved with TO. Which is the point... He doesn't cause QBs to regress, but he makes them better.

 

[iceberg]

It's none of your business when I choose to get over it. 30 teams not pursuing him may mean many possible things, including they don't have a need for him. If ware was on the market, it doesn't mean every team is going to pursue him, just like Haynesworth was on the marke and not every team pursued him.

And, further it is not even my point that there are 2 teams in the NFL that want him. The two teams are one that supposedly has an axe to grind with him, the 49ers who were allegedly spurred by TO and a team led by Jeff Fisher who is as authoritative and well-respected in the league as Bill Parcells.

fine. remain bitter if you want.

just cause a coach or two is willing to take a chance on TO doesn't mean TO doesn't have his baggage that have kicked him out of 3 teams now.

when, then tell me, is it his own fault?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

dude. get over it. you lost your to boy toy and finding 1 or 2 people who don't mind taking a shot on him is NOT validation he's a sought after player in as much as 30 teams saying "no thanks" saying he is.

if 2 can prove your point, 30 can prove mine even more, right?[/QUOTE]

Sounds logical.

 

[Hostile]

McNabb is/was a great QB, my bad.

Steve Young was a Hall of Fame QB.

Jeff Garcia ranked among the top 10 QBs in the NFL while in San Fran.

Tony had 36 TDs last year and 26 more despite missing 3 games this year. Bad QBs can't do that.

TO has never had a bad QB...ever.