PFT: Trade talk speculation focuses on Martellus Bennett...(Bengals wanted him)
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Hoofbite
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theogt;3027779 said:
I don't recall Choice being drafted under the assumption that he was some great piece to the puzzle. I also don't recall Choice ever getting the superstar in waiting treatment that Bennett has.
I don't think it was ever in the plans to have Choice be some main feature of the offense.
At this point, getting equal value back for a player that is either too dumb to play or just not played would be a great deal. He was supposed to be this dynamic threat that teams couldn't cover and nobody has seen it.
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Hoofbite;3027861 said:
Hoofbite;3027861 said:
No, you are really pissed that he is not eating defenses alive in the passing game. Whatever you believe, Bennett is contributing, and in a big way.
Take a gander:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165534&highlight=bob
Read Bob's article on what Martellus is up too. I know it is a lot to digest, so let me give you a summary about what Bob says Bennet is adding to this offense.
First a chart that bears out your pissyness in the passing game:
Mr. Bob Sturm said:
So we are down half a yard when Bennet is on the field with Witten and two other recievers. We we are running This formation 1% less this yearm which is really a wash.
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Mr Bob Sturm said:
Look at that production! 7.47 yards a play is sick!
I really don't care if Marty B lights it up in the passing game. He is helping the Cowboys chew up yardage in the '22' formation which we are running 75% more of this year.
Marty B is is making a huge contribution this year, just not putting up gauwdy numbers. What, did you draft him on your fantasy team or something? Bennet is a 2nd year player on an offense that is filled with talent across all skill positions. He is never the first look, and probably not even the 2nd look on most plays. We will definetely have some plays that will key on him when we get a mismatch, but how often do we do that?
The man is going to play in the 6th game of his 2nd year when he takes the field on Sunday. He left College as a Junior. He needs more time to fully develop!
And all that being said, I will not be suprised to see him actually make an impact in the passing game this year as well. Hell, he contributed here last year, and I fully expect he will get some balls this year as well.
Why the hell would you want to give up on him so soon and take a 2nd? I personally think the cowboys have hit on something with Bennet. He is young (real young!) and will only get better.
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Great post BBQ. Everyone see the big runs but don't understand that you need everyone to be on the same page to get those runs off. Bennett has contributed. I don't hear anyone on this team or scouts calling him out. He's contributed. His day will come. But I don't know what was expected for a 2nd string tight end. He's exceeded my expectations. I honestly thought he'd only be a good pass catching tight end who sucks at blocking.
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BBQ101;3027865 said:
If you say so. After all, you are more filled in on what I think than I am........
You could have saved yourself a bunch of time by saying he is blocking his *** off. While great and all, the team had a little more in mind than being a blocker when they drafted him.
See, I'm starting to believe the talent on this team isn't as good as advertised anymore. IMO, Bennett has just as much ability as the guys next to him. Felix is really the only player who is head and shoulders above the rest but we all know the story with him.
I've said this exact thing. So why is it now that they can't get him involved? Pretty much all I want to know. It isn't like the guys around him are a bunch of world beaters.
See, this is where you trying to tell me what I am thinking instead of listening to what I am saying gets you.
If you would have read where I said I was pissed at the teams inability to get him the ball, you wouldn't have to ask this question. I don't want to give up on him. I was just saying the team should probably get something for him if they aren't going to use him.
When a team trades a 2nd round TE just two years in to that guys career and then drafts a TE in the 2nd round because he is supposed to provide so much more, you expect a little more.
While I like all the potential Bennett brings, the longer he sits around as unrealized potential, the more pointless that trade looks.
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If the offer was from the Bengals and it was a 2nd or lower, then I agree with Jerry to say no deal.
However, if the Bengals were offering a 1st rounder, I would have been very tempted to do the trade. I know he helps in the run game, but a 1st rounder for a guy that has to be told where to line up before each play.......dam, I think I would have done the deal.
Of course this is assuming it was the Bengals and it was for a 1st rounder, pure speculation at this point. It does raise a good discussion question.
You guys would have turned down a 1st from the Bengals for Marty???
However, if the Bengals were offering a 1st rounder, I would have been very tempted to do the trade. I know he helps in the run game, but a 1st rounder for a guy that has to be told where to line up before each play.......dam, I think I would have done the deal.
Of course this is assuming it was the Bengals and it was for a 1st rounder, pure speculation at this point. It does raise a good discussion question.
You guys would have turned down a 1st from the Bengals for Marty???
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Just like w/ Austin there will be a time when Bennet gets more looks and will show what hes been capable of all along. And we will curse Garrett for not seeing it earlier.
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Beast_from_East;3027877 said:
Very tempted? You'd have to be cazy not to jump on that. You really think anyone outside of crazy Al would offer a 1 for Marty B? Dude's not worth a 3 at this point.
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Source: Bengals wanted Bennett
By Calvin Watkins
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IRVING, Texas -- Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones turned down a trade offer for one of his young players before Tuesday's trade deadline.
Jones, who didn't name any team or player involved, spoke directly to a club regarding a potential transaction.
"We had a significant offer for a key player that we turned down, and turned down in getting in more extended dialogue for," Jones said before Wednesday's practice. "So we did have that kind of activity & but I shouldn't name the player or the team. It was a very firm, significant offer for one of our young players that we had a chance for a lot of consideration if we had wanted to take it, and we didn't."
A league source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the deal in question was the Bengals attempting to acquire tight end Martellus Bennett, who was a second-round pick of the Cowboys in 2008. The source offered no other details of the proposed trade, which was ultimately turned down by Dallas.
Multiple sources said several young Cowboys players -- including Orlando Scandrick, Miles Austin, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Mike Jenkins and Bennett -- are deemed too valuable to let go for any possible blockbuster deal. None of those players is older than 25 or has more than two years full-time playing experience.
Jerry Jones said he thinks highly of other young players on the team such as wide receiver Kevin Ogletree, left tackle Doug Free and outside linebacker Anthony Spencer.
Jones said the team was offered at least one premium draft pick for a player.
"We could have probably made a 'now' impact and just bolstered a position, and significantly, and obviously we would have had a takeaway since it's a young player for the future," Jones said. "By the same token, and I'm talking about the type of consideration, first- or second-round type consideration, but the bottom line is this: Had I not thought that we needed that player right now as opposed to pushing forward in consideration for picks in the future, then I would have taken the pick option on it rather than the player."
Calvin Watkins covers the Cowboys for ESPNDallas.com.
By Calvin Watkins
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IRVING, Texas -- Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones turned down a trade offer for one of his young players before Tuesday's trade deadline.
Jones, who didn't name any team or player involved, spoke directly to a club regarding a potential transaction.
"We had a significant offer for a key player that we turned down, and turned down in getting in more extended dialogue for," Jones said before Wednesday's practice. "So we did have that kind of activity & but I shouldn't name the player or the team. It was a very firm, significant offer for one of our young players that we had a chance for a lot of consideration if we had wanted to take it, and we didn't."
A league source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the deal in question was the Bengals attempting to acquire tight end Martellus Bennett, who was a second-round pick of the Cowboys in 2008. The source offered no other details of the proposed trade, which was ultimately turned down by Dallas.
Multiple sources said several young Cowboys players -- including Orlando Scandrick, Miles Austin, Felix Jones, Tashard Choice, Mike Jenkins and Bennett -- are deemed too valuable to let go for any possible blockbuster deal. None of those players is older than 25 or has more than two years full-time playing experience.
Jerry Jones said he thinks highly of other young players on the team such as wide receiver Kevin Ogletree, left tackle Doug Free and outside linebacker Anthony Spencer.
Jones said the team was offered at least one premium draft pick for a player.
"We could have probably made a 'now' impact and just bolstered a position, and significantly, and obviously we would have had a takeaway since it's a young player for the future," Jones said. "By the same token, and I'm talking about the type of consideration, first- or second-round type consideration, but the bottom line is this: Had I not thought that we needed that player right now as opposed to pushing forward in consideration for picks in the future, then I would have taken the pick option on it rather than the player."
Calvin Watkins covers the Cowboys for ESPNDallas.com.
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Earlier we had heard a player could be involved that could help us now, I wonder who that could be from the Bengals?.