PFT's Florio Rails on McShay and ESPN Scouts

[dbair1967]

Uh...I think that's his point. He's saying McShay was too stupid to realize it and constantly had Woodson going to high.

so? others had him ranked pretty high too...some had him ranked low

it happens to numerous guys every yr...nobody gets all of them right and nobody is truly privvy to what every teams scouting dept think of kids

like I said, looks like the Turd master is just grinding an ax with his b/s

David

 

[dbair1967]

Don't most mock drafts start coming out AFTER the players have declared if they are entering the draft???

not all of them, but it didnt matter in this case because Woodson didnt decalre early...he was a senior

David

 

[dbair1967]

It is about time those idiots has been called out, by someone in their circle. I have been saying it for years, that the so called experts(scouts) do not know crap if it was thrown in their faces.

But yet a lot of people live on their every words. I really wish I knew how they get those jobs, when I find out I will be applying.

Please, your going off the deep end over nothing...

David

 

[Yakuza Rich]

That was Mel Kiper and he turned out to be right.

Trent Dilfer is still playing in the league, albeit as a back up, while Trev Alberts ( and I'm a Husker fan, by the way ) was a bust because he couldn't stay healthy, which was one of the knocks against him.

Dilfer has been a mediocre QB his entire career based on his lack of skill. Alberts got injured. To me, Kiper was dead wrong because you really can't predict injuries and the main point behind Dilfer was that he was a sure thing. Instead Dilfer stayed relatively healthy throughout his career and stunk.




YAKUZA

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

When I first saw McShay going head to head with Kiper I was like ***?

He comes off as the arrogant, snooty, snot-nosed kid and Kiper just looks at him in disbelief.

I understand it was all for entertainment... but just the fact that they made a story about McShay... it probably helps him more than hurts him... like a Skip Brainless. Mr Popular doodyhead

 

[Phrozen Phil]

I'm shocked that anybody takes these "Draft Gurus" seriously, but I'm even more shocked that a player or his family would consider their opinion. If we learn one thing from the draft, it should be that the only opinions that count are those that the teams have on draft day. Linemen were at a premium, and they went quickly. Wide receivers were not highly valued and the first one picked was not until round two and even then it was not one of the gltzier guys in the draft.

I don't know about you guys, but I follow the draft as a hobby and would not expect anybody to take my opinion to the bank. I'm sensing that most of these guys we read or watch on the tube aren't doing a whole lot better . Lots of people here have good football knowledge, but we should not be surprised when the picks don't go the way we predict. Did anybody get the top ten correct?

 

[TheCount]

Gosselin is the best mock draft/draft projector guy there is and he had Woodson ranked as the #100 player. Gosselin doesn't claim to be a scout or base his rankings on his own personal opinions, but rather on what info he gathers from team scouts. If he had Woodson at #100, then McShay claiming that Woodson would be a 3rd round pick isn't extreme.





YAKUZA

And we know this how?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm shocked that anybody takes these "Draft Gurus" seriously, but I'm even more shocked that a player or his family would consider their opinion. If we learn one thing from the draft, it should be that the only opinions that count are those that the teams have on draft day. Linemen were at a premium, and they went quickly. Wide receivers were not highly valued and the first one picked was not until round two and even then it was not one of the gltzier guys in the draft.

I don't know about you guys, but I follow the draft as a hobby and would not expect anybody to take my opinion to the bank. I'm sensing that most of these guys we read or watch on the tube aren't doing a whole lot better . Lots of people here have good football knowledge, but we should not be surprised when the picks don't go the way we predict. Did anybody get the top ten correct?

Its funny... I remember Kenny Albert had a NFL coach on ESPN right after the draft(cant remember coach) but Kenny asked "so did we help you pick such and such a player, our board was close to yours"?

The coach replied "no I didnt even see what you guys were picking" (but in a sarcastic way, like you guys are picking outta your arse, why would I even watch your boards)

His facial expression and shoulder shrug was funny....

 

[dfense]

Passed on by a source? Theres accountability alright.

 

[AdamJT13]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
Gosselin is the best mock draft/draft projector guy there is

And we know this how?

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/FREE_CONTENT/top100mock.shtml

The Huddle Report tracks and grades mock drafts and top-100 lists for the draft "experts," and Gosselin ranks No. 1 out of 47 "experts" in the three-year mock draft averages and No. 1 out of 28 "experts" in the three-year top-100 averages.

Going back to 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, etc., Gosselin still ranked No. 1 --

http://web.archive.org/web/20050825205403/www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

http://web.archive.org/web/20030806093308/thehuddlereport.com/boardgrades.htm


And for the record, Scouts Inc.'s top 100 lists rank eighth over the past three years, and McShay's mocks rank 22nd.

 

[TheCount]

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/FREE_CONTENT/top100mock.shtml

The Huddle Report tracks and grades mock drafts and top-100 lists for the draft "experts," and Gosselin ranks No. 1 out of 47 "experts" in the three-year mock draft averages and No. 1 out of 28 "experts" in the three-year top-100 averages.

Going back to 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, etc., Gosselin still ranked No. 1 --

http://web.archive.org/web/20050825205403/www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

http://web.archive.org/web/20030806093308/thehuddlereport.com/boardgrades.htm


And for the record, Scouts Inc.'s top 100 lists rank eighth over the past three years, and McShay's mocks rank 22nd.

I'm aware he's a good mocker, but what does that mean in the grand scheme of things is my point? If he is the best of the mockers, and had Woodson in the top 100 and real scouts found that ludicrous, what does that mean for the mockers?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

ditto

 

[jobberone]

Oh Good Gawd.

I think Scouts Inc pretty much suck, and have said so many times. But trying to hang a kid's decision to come out early on a poor mock draft of theirs is beyond ridiculous.

The NFL has an advisory council to give these kids an evaluation of where they might be drafted. Who the hell would trust some Kiper wannabe over them? Anyone who makes a life decision based on Scouts Inc deserves whatever they get.

CL, I agree with you kids ought not to rely on 'Kiper' wannabes. They should pay more attention to the 'real' scouts. But young people often make mistakes and much of that is in ignoring what they don't want to hear. So yes the bottom line is the only one who can be responsible for the final decision to leave school is the player. Can't blame the 'scouts'.

But the flip side is knowing that kids make mistakes. The people surrounding these kids like their coaches should incite the NFL to be a little more protective. I doubt there is a lot of influence the NFL is excerting. Maybe they could be more involved and excert more influence in discouraging kids who aren't ready. Just give them more advice. Still it will be the player's responsibility to listen.

 

[gbrittain]

And all NFL GMs should be fired for letting Tom Brady get drafted in the 6th round.

Woodson still got drafted one slot above Tom Brady.

I smell a bunch of sour grapes. Florio must be an idiot.

 

[jterrell]

The Gauntlet has been cast.

This could go for a whole lot of mock drafters out there who talk like they are experts because they have blogs.

only if they claim to be scouts and actually charge a service for their info.

one of these two guys was a big reason we ended up drafting kareem larrimore what i recall.....

 

[BHendri5]

Please, your going off the deep end over nothing...

David

I'm not off the deep end. It is something, and it is also true about those guys.

You must be one of those people I was talking about. LOL

 

[jrumann59]

From Dictionary.com definitions of Mock
–verb (used with object) 1.to attack or treat with ridicule, contempt, or derision. 2.to ridicule by mimicry of action or speech; mimic derisively. 3.to mimic, imitate, or counterfeit. 4.to challenge; defy: His actions mock convention. 5.to deceive, delude, or disappoint. –verb (used without object) 6.to use ridicule or derision; scoff; jeer (often fol. by at). –noun 7.a contemptuous or derisive imitative action or speech; mockery or derision. 8.something mocked or derided; an object of derision. 9.an imitation; counterfeit; fake. 10.Shipbuilding. a.a hard pattern representing the surface of a plate with a warped form, upon which the plate is beaten to shape after furnacing. b.bed (def. 23). –adjective 11.feigned; not real; sham: a mock battle. —Verb phrase12.mock up, to build a mock-up of.

I draw your attention to the bolded print, woodson is a puddy.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

B U S T E D! Yeah these so called draft guru's need to go jump off a cliff...

 

[AdamJT13]

I'm aware he's a good mocker, but what does that mean in the grand scheme of things is my point? If he is the best of the mockers, and had Woodson in the top 100 and real scouts found that ludicrous, what does that mean for the mockers?

Your comment was "and we know this how?" So I showed you how we know that he's the best there is.

Gosselin had Woodson ranked as a high fourth-round pick based on whatever his sources with teams told him. That could mean one team or several teams ranked him in the third round or high fourth round. But that doesn't mean those teams had to draft him -- maybe they already took a quarterback, or maybe they had someone else ranked higher that they drafted.

But if Florio's source is correct, and Woodson can't play quarterback in the NFL, what does that say about the Giants? More than it says about Gosselin, for sure.

 

[Randy White]

Dilfer has been a mediocre QB his entire career based on his lack of skill. Alberts got injured. To me, Kiper was dead wrong because you really can't predict injuries and the main point behind Dilfer was that he was a sure thing. Instead Dilfer stayed relatively healthy throughout his career and stunk.
YAKUZA

At the time, the Colts needed a QB more than they needed a DE and Trent Dilfer was " the " QB in the draft. That doesn't mean that Dilfer was going to turn into a HOF anymore than Ryan Leaf did, but most everyone was praising the Chargers for taking Leaf when they did. Alberts was a very good pass rushing DE, but his main problem was staying healthy.

Kiper was accurate in that assesment even though he was a little bit over the top with his Dilfer " love ".