PFW on the Skins' attempts to bolster their DL...

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Offense....

Romo over Campbell (do we really have to wonder?)
Jones/Barber not over Portis/Betts
Witten over Cooley
Hoyte not over Sellers
TO over Moss
Glenn over Lloyd
Flo push Samuels
Kosier over Your LG
Gurode over Rabach
Davis not over Thomas
Columbo not over Jansen

So, four positions where your guy CLEARLY starts over our guy.

By my count, SEVEN of our guys CLEARLY start over your guy.
 

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Dallas has started a Doper, Senior Citizen, Statue and a UDFA First Year Starter at the QB position the last four years yet Dallas has won 34 games to the Skins 26 games.

I am going to go contemplate for a while and see if I can figure out what team is more talented...
 

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gbrittain;1493018 said:
Dallas has started a Doper, Senior Citizen, Statue and a UDFA First Year Starter at the QB position the last four years yet Dallas has won 34 games to the Skins 26 games.

I am going to go contemplate for a while and see if I can figure out what team is more talented...


ouch:lmao2:
 

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MarkBrunell;1492581 said:
Your D also got embaressed by Jon Kitna and the Lions.

Which means nothing to the argument at hand... then again, you don't have much you CAN bring to this argument, do you??
 

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MarkBrunell;1492759 said:
So you value a player drafted in first and seventh round the same?

Only if they play equally well when the whistle blows...

Billy Cannon Jr. was a first round draft pick for the Cowboys, who never played a down for them... Bill Bates was an undrafted rookie free agent who went to the Pro Bowl for them...

Guess which one I value most??
 

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MarkBrunell;1492848 said:
The Bears and Steelers haven't drafted LB's or DE's in the first round and second round for consecutive years.

I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make... is it that you can't build a good defense by drafting LBs and DEs in the first round??

If so, your point is pretty stupid...
 

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I know we are coming off a bad year but some of the things you guys are saying is really out there. The two that stand out the most are people saying Glenn is better than Moss and Adams being equal to Samuels. That's ridiculous. Even for Cowboys fans.
 

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firehawk350;1492879 said:
Carter beat both of your DEs in every pertinent stat to the DE position... Daniels had more sacks as both of your DEs combined yet you did nothing to shore up that position...

It appears that you're football-challenged, i.e., that you don't have a flippin' clue...

Carter is a 4-3 DE, and would more properly compare to a 3-4 OLB, IOW DeMarcus Ware... Ware had nearly twice as many sacks as Carter did...

A 3-4 DE's job is to tie up blockers so that the blitzers can get to the QB... so you're trying to compare apples to oranges... if Andre played for the Cowboys, he'd be lining up at LB (just like he did for the Niners for a while)...

(Glenn is getting old and tailed off last year)

Chuckle... yeah, he only put up his BEST season since 2000...

Or do you mean his numbers fell off late last season?? If so, you're full of it on that score, too; he had 70 catches, 4.37 per game, for the season, but over the last 7 games of 2006 he had 34 catches, 4.85 per game... so in his first 9 games of the season, he averaged 4.0 catches per game, in his last 7 he averaged 4.85... in three of his last four games, he had 8 catches for 150 yards, 5 catches for 96 yards, and 6 catches for 109 yards...

WOW, what "tailing off"... ROTFLMAO...

Seems you have the regrettable habit of running off at the mouth without having the first clue what you're talking about... it also seems that you don't know a whole lot about the Dallas Cowboys...

Chris Samuel is far better then Flozell Adams.

And yet, both players have the same number of Pro Bowl appearances since 2002-- three...

Randy Thomas WAY over Leonard Davis (he's never played this position and you assume that he'll be good)

Seems fair, you assume that he'll be bad... but you seem to be misinformed yet again, big Len has indeed played guard for the Cards... once again, you run mouth as if you know what you're talking about, but you obviously don't...

It's beyond asinine to say that Randy Thomas is WAY over Leonard Davis... for openers, Randy ain't much more than mediocre, as evidenced by the fact he's never been in the Pro Bowl... he's been an alternate a couple-three times, but that's as close as he's gotten... of course, Davis has never been in the Pro Bowl either, but he's been an alternate in five of his six seasons-- at three different positions...

Yeah, gimme the 365 pound perennial Pro Bowl alternate, who can play multiple positions well, over the 310 pound perennial Pro Bowl alternate who can only play one, and is two years older...

and Jansen over Colombo (maybe there's a reason he couldn't get another team to give him a decent payday).

He got his decent payday from the Cowboys... you just ASSUME he had no other options available to him... I see Jansen and Colombo as a push, they're really very similar players... again, though, I give the advantage to the YOUNGER tackle, by three years...

That would be Colombo...

So no, I wouldn't trade Adams, Davis and Colombo for Samuels, Thomas and Jansen... and I SURE wouldn't trade Gurode and Kosier for Rabach and whatever stiff winds up taking Derrick Dockery's place... as for depth, well, gimme McQuistan, Free and Marten over the collection of not ready for prime time performers the Skins will be running out there... LOL...
 

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firehawk350;1492905 said:
Yeah, and he beat them in tackles too,

Again, that comparison is asinine, they're different positions... there's no way that Andre Carter could play DE in a 3-4 scheme, he'd get killed if he tried...

I don't know what world you live in, but in this one, 147 tackles, 4 INTs, 2 sacks and 2 def TDs IS considered pretty damn good. He led the league in tackles for the last 5 years cumulatively and has had over 100 tackles for the last 7 years. Go ahead, look up the stat line, there's not a single category that they beat him in. But yeah, your right, he only MIGHT be better then your duo.

Actually, he probably wouldn't, inasmuch as he's a pure 4-3 MLB... a good 4-3 MLB who fits what the Skins try to do nicely, but those skills might not translate well to a 3-4... he's also gettin' right old for the NFL, so I don't think the Boys would be real eager to replace Ayodele or James with him...

I'll compromise and say that Daniels couldn't start but there's no way Carter can't.

Carter would be 4th on the depth chart, behind Ware, Spencer and Ellis... he'd see some playing time in a rotation, but would not likely be the starter...

So, out of 11 starters, there is Washington, Griffin, Carter, Fletcher, Springs and Taylor.

Griffin would not start ahead of Ferguson, Washington would not start at OLB for the Boys, Carter wouldn't either, Fletcher might not be a good fit in the 3-4... Springs would be the Cowboys 3rd CB (until he got a hangnail, LOL)...

Whatever dude... Moss is by far the better receiver and the only reason he didn't have a better season is he was in and out with an injury.

LOL... you really are a braindead homer, aren't you?? The ONLY advantage Santana Moss has over Terry Glenn is age... he's been in the league 6 years, and has TWO good seasons (over 1000 yards receiving) to his credit... over that time, he has averaged 3.58 catches per game, for 57.9 yards per game... Glenn has averaged 4.36 receptions per game, for 64.9 yards per game, over his career...

Clearly, Glenn has the better numbers...

Flozell has got the Cowboys looking for an OT replacement.

He's 32 years old, moron, and in the final year of his contract... of course they're looking ahead, thinking about eventually replacing him...

The Skins are more then happy with Samuels...

The Skins have no choice, with the contract he has and their cap situation...

In college. In case you didn't notice, this is the NFL and just because you were good at something against college competition, doesn't mean your going to be good in the NFL.

The same is true for Laron Landry, and Rocky McIntosh...
 

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firehawk350;1492912 said:
So, given the choice, would you want Samuel, or Flozell??? And Samuel is only 28 or so (exact age escapes me), so he's got a good 3 years or so left...

He'll be 30 at the start of training camp... and his name is SAMUELS...

Some fan you are, can't even get the names of your favorite team's players right...

But to answer your question, for the blocking schemes the Boys like to run, more of a straight ahead, smashmouth scheme, I'll take Flozell... for the blocking schemes the Skins like to run, with all that pulling (Counter Trey), I like Samuels better...
 

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firehawk350;1492950 said:
What's laughable is your refusal to accept that Fletcher is one of the best in the game and has been for 5+ years.

No, what's laughable is that you seem to seriously think that's true...

You'd think that "one of the best in the game" would have played in at least ONE Pro Bowl in nine years in the league, but your hero hasn't...

Tailed off, let me see. How can I explain this best... Tailing off is described as performing later in the season worse then you previously did.

But Terry did no such thing... as I showed in another post, he averaged 4.0 catches per game in his first 9 games, 4.85 in his last 7... in his last 4, he averaged 5.0 catches per game...

Simply put, you're full of bovine fecal matter to suggest that Terry Glenn's play "fell off" late last year... indeed, his three highest yardage total games last year came in the last four games of the season...
 

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firehawk350;1492969 said:
To say a top 3 line wouldn't start more players then an average line is just idiotic.

The Skins aren't a top 10 line, let alone a top 3 line... if they were, you guys wouldn't have ranked 13th in total offense (after all, you had a VERY good stable of running backs)...

Our "average" line put 2 players in the Pro Bowl, Gurode and Adams... your "top 3 line" put 1 player there, Samuels...

Clearly, what's idiotic is your calling the Skins' offensive line a top 3 unit...
 

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yazzmode621;1493081 said:
I know we are coming off a bad year but some of the things you guys are saying is really out there. The two that stand out the most are people saying Glenn is better than Moss and Adams being equal to Samuels. That's ridiculous. Even for Cowboys fans.

Glenn IS better than Moss... the raw numbers prove that pretty conclusively...

And Adams IS better than Samuels-- for the Cowboys' scheme... Chris' strong suit is not straight up drive blocking, it's mobility... Adams can't run a lick, but you can't bullrush him...
 

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LowTech;1493088 said:
sick'em bear

Well, I just wish it was a little more FUN, but these Skins trolls are uncommonly stupid... they make it so easy, there's no real challenge...
 

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MarkBrunell;1490754 said:
:laugh2: funny thing is, our Dline was equally embaressing in 04 and 05 but the difference was that we had our secondary healthy. Same thing this year. I don't see anything wrong in upgrading our Dline since several quality Dlineman are available.

Its good to know that were not wasting first round picks on linebackers... like the bust Bobby Carpenter and soon to be bust Anthony Spencer from PURDUE (LOL)

Troll alert.

Nothing to see here, move along. :lmao2::lmao:
 

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Wow Bear your on fire today? Where did the Commander idiots come from all of a sudden, out of the closet?
 

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yazzmode621;1493081 said:
I know we are coming off a bad year but some of the things you guys are saying is really out there. The two that stand out the most are people saying Glenn is better than Moss and Adams being equal to Samuels. That's ridiculous. Even for Cowboys fans.

Seriously, how could we possibly compare Glenn to moss? I mean, the guys last two years he's only managed to put up nearly identical stats across the board...being our #2 receiver...whilst also fighting injuries. Moss at least has the decency to hurt himself bad enough that you guys get to see your 3rd and 4th receivers play for a couple games.

It's equally ridiculous that many on this board are comparing Adams to Samuel. Absurd, really. He wasn't the starter in the pro bowl, he was only a back-up. Gosh, what a loser.

Yes, you're right yazzmodel, we here in the Zone are ridiculous. Homerism has no bounds here. You're right. I mean, how can we even COMPARE our two players to yours. Your players are CLEARLY superior by a **** hair. Ridiculous. :rolleyes:
 

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PullMyFinger;1493183 said:
Wow Bear your on fire today? Where did the Commander idiots come from all of a sudden, out of the closet?

They're hacked off about the Skins' offseason, and have no place else to disgorge their bile...

It's a measure of what a true humanitarian I am that I assist them with their anger management therapy this way... :D
 

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gbrittain;1493018 said:
Dallas has started a Doper, Senior Citizen, Statue and a UDFA First Year Starter at the QB position the last four years yet Dallas has won 34 games to the Skins 26 games.

I am going to go contemplate for a while and see if I can figure out what team is more talented...
Wow... :lmao2:
 
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