PFW on the Skins' attempts to bolster their DL...

[tomson75]

So, given the choice, would you want Samuel, or Flozell??? And Samuel is only 28 or so (exact age escapes me), so he's got a good 3 years or so left...

Which would put him at @ Flozells' age....hence the looking for an eventual replacement.

You're arguments, while slightly more viable than Mr. Brunnel's are still weak.

 

[Yeagermeister]

So, given the choice, would you want Samuel, or Flozell??? And Samuel is only 28 or so (exact age escapes me), so he's got a good 3 years or so left...

IMO they are on the same level. I have seen both of them get beat and both dominate.

 

[BigDFan5]

So, given the choice, would you want Samuel, or Flozell??? And Samuel is only 28 or so (exact age escapes me), so he's got a good 3 years or so left...

Samuels will be 30 in 2 months

 

[Bizwah]

You make this WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY to easy.

Carter beat both of your DEs in every pertinent stat to the DE position...

No.....on our team he would have to play OLB. As you know, he's too tiny to play a 34 end. We all saw how awful he was at OLB with the Niners. No, he wouldn't start ahead of Ware or Ellis...

Daniels had more sacks as both of your DEs combined yet you did nothing to shore up that position...

Again....see above.....He wouldn't cut it at OLB. Ellis had more sacks...in only 10 games.

Fletcher is a beast, and to think he couldn't start over either of your ILBs is just ********.

No......he would not start. And beast??? Laughable. He's good...but he's not a game-changer. Nor do I think he would start for us. He's too small to take on OGs...which both James and Ayodele do.

On offense, you guys would be syked to get Moss (Glenn is getting old and tailed off last year)

Tailed off? Really? 1000 yards receiving (and that's with TO on the other side) and 6 TDs are "tailing off"?

Wow...we'd be lucky to trade that for Moss' 800 yards and 6 TDs.

and Portis is by far the best back between the two teams.

By Far? That's stretching things a bit. Both Barber and Jones outrushed him. Barber and Jones combined for 20 TDs last year. Barber had more TDs than both your backs combined.

Now, I said Portis would probably start....but "by far"? Nah....

Chris Samuel is far better then Flozell Adams.

Don't think so....far better? I'd say they're about the same. Flo was also coming off a pretty severe knee injury last year.

Randy Thomas WAY over Leonard Davis (he's never played this position and you assume that he'll be good)

I already said that Thomas would start.....I mistakenly thought he was a LG. Sorry....Kosier would still start over your LG. Who is it BTW?

and Jansen over Colombo (maybe there's a reason he couldn't get another team to give him a decent payday). I'm not sure why you think that, but it's definitely ********.

Yeah....it's called a devestating knee injury...Teams were nervous about it. You know that Columbo didn't allow a sack the last ten games of the year right? Some people were saying he should be considered for the Pro-Bowl.

 

[firehawk350]

You can continue to think he could lay DE here but there is no chanccce in hell look at his size compared to every other 34 DE in the league

In that case, let's flip it around. What players can start for the Skins??? Ware, Williams, Newman and maybe Ferguson... Spears, Canty, James, Ellis/Spencer/Carp, Ayodele and Henry would all get pushed back. Not necessarily because they are less talented players, but they wouldn't be sucessful in a 4-3. If we're going to say which players will fit better into a scheme other then what they're playing, it's stupid because the Skins pick players for the 4-3 and wouldn't do as well in a 3-4 and vice-versa for the Boys. I was talking about who was the better DE for their clubs. In that case, Carter has a bigger impact to this defense then as does Spears or Canty.

Again no chance in hell carter starts at DE

Reference above.

Fletcher, Taylor, Springs for 6 games at least, Griffin wouldnt start here srry, Carter not a chance, and Washington while very good would not start over Ware (Washington plays weakside right?)

Washington plays strongside. Rocky plays weak.

and yet he would be #3 here

If you can't accept the single fact that Moss is considerably better then Glenn (and I don't hear anyone jumping to your defense) then I'm not arguing the point because it's a waste of my time.

Ok now you did it again you mouthed off without knowing what you wer etalking about HE PLAYED GUARD FOR THE CARDINALS IN THE NFL FOR THE FIRST 2 YEARS OF HIS CAREER

Which would be the same as you saying that Washington played weak side. I didn't know. Sorry, NO NEED TO SHOUT! But I don't remember Cardinals ever having a good line, so he can't have been that good.

 

[firehawk350]

You make this WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY to easy.



No.....on our team he would have to play OLB. As you know, he's too tiny to play a 34 end. We all saw how awful he was at OLB with the Niners. No, he wouldn't start ahead of Ware or Ellis...



Again....see above.....He wouldn't cut it at OLB. Ellis had more sacks...in only 10 games.

Reference my above post.

No......he would not start. And beast??? Laughable. He's good...but he's not a game-changer. Nor do I think he would start for us. He's too small to take on OGs...which both James and Ayodele do.

What's laughable is your refusal to accept that Fletcher is one of the best in the game and has been for 5+ years. He beats both of your ILBs in every stat category, sometimes combined.

Tailed off? Really? 1000 yards receiving (and that's with TO on the other side) and 6 TDs are "tailing off"?

Wow...we'd be lucky to trade that for Moss' 800 yards and 6 TDs.

Tailed off, let me see. How can I explain this best... Tailing off is described as performing later in the season worse then you previously did. See Dallas Defense for a good example.

By Far? That's stretching things a bit. Both Barber and Jones outrushed him. Barber and Jones combined for 20 TDs last year. Barber had more TDs than both your backs combined.

Now, I said Portis would probably start....but "by far"? Nah....

Congrats dude. Your starting pair of RBs outrushed a player who only played in half the season and two of those games, got 10 carries or less. Does no one remember that Clinton Portis has 3 seasons (out of 5) over 1500 yards? One of those season (this last one) was because he was injured for more then half???

Don't think so....far better? I'd say they're about the same. Flo was also coming off a pretty severe knee injury last year.

I'd say your delusional. But your not going to pay attention to what i say.

Yeah....it's called a devestating knee injury...Teams were nervous about it. You know that Columbo didn't allow a sack the last ten games of the year right? Some people were saying he should be considered for the Pro-Bowl.

Who said that?

 

[firehawk350]

IMO they are on the same level. I have seen both of them get beat and both dominate.

Okay dude... Samuel gets beat, like everybody else. But he's a better run blocker and pulls a lot better.

 

[BigDFan5]

In that case, let's flip it around. What players can start for the Skins??? Ware, Williams, Newman and maybe Ferguson... Spears, Canty, James, Ellis/Spencer/Carp, Ayodele and Henry would all get pushed back. Not necessarily because they are less talented players, but they wouldn't be sucessful in a 4-3. If we're going to say which players will fit better into a scheme other then what they're playing, it's stupid because the Skins pick players for the 4-3 and wouldn't do as well in a 3-4 and vice-versa for the Boys.

Players who would start for washington

Defense

DE Ware and Ellis
DT Ferguson
OLB Carp Spencer,or Mcintosh draw
CB Newman
SS Roy

I was talking about who was the better DE for their clubs. In that case, Carter has a bigger impact to this defense then as does Spears or Canty.

But you were using sacks stats to try and prove it even though sacks are not a stat a 34 DE accells in

Washington plays strongside. Rocky plays weak.

Ok

If you can't accept the single fact that Moss is considerably better then Glenn (and I don't hear anyone jumping to your defense) then I'm not arguing the point because it's a waste of my time.

Umm why is it ok when you used last years stats but when I do the same you get offended

Which would be the same as you saying that Washington played weak side. I didn't know. Sorry, NO NEED TO SHOUT! But I don't remember Cardinals ever having a good line, so he can't have been that good.

No its different because when I didnt know I asked, you continued to be wrong without trying to make it right.

So because you dont remember a line of 5 guys being good he cant be good? He was pro bowl alternate and gave up like 4 sacks

 

[BigDFan5]

Reference my above post.




What's laughable is your refusal to accept that Fletcher is one of the best in the game and has been for 5+ years. He beats both of your ILBs in every stat category, sometimes combined.





Tailed off, let me see. How can I explain this best... Tailing off is described as performing later in the season worse then you previously did. See Dallas Defense for a good example.




Congrats dude. Your starting pair of RBs outrushed a player who only played in half the season and two of those games, got 10 carries or less. Does no one remember that Clinton Portis has 3 seasons (out of 5) over 1500 yards? One of those season (this last one) was because he was injured for more then half???




I'd say your delusional. But your not going to pay attention to what i say.



Who said that?

why did you use my name in those quotes when none of it was me

 

[Bizwah]

In that case, let's flip it around. What players can start for the Skins???

Fair Question.

Ellis over Daniels
Ferguson over Gohlston
Ratliff not over Griffin
Spears/Hatcher/Canty not over Carter (although I think Ware would start over him).

So on the DL, that's 2 out of 4.....3 of 4, if you count Ware (which I won't)

Ware over Washington (your best defender IMO)
James not over Fletcher
Carpenter/Burnett/Ayodele all over McIntosh

That's 2 of 3

Newman over Springs
Henry over Smoot/Wright
Roy Williams over Landry
Watkins/Hamlin not over Taylor

That's 3 of 4 again.

So, even in a 43, we have more talent than you. Also, factor in the depth we have over you all.

If you can't accept the single fact that Moss is considerably better then Glenn (and I don't hear anyone jumping to your defense) then I'm not arguing the point because it's a waste of my time.

Considerably better?

I don't think so.

He wouldn't start over TO.....he might give Glenn a run for his money. But Glenn is just as quick, runs better routes, and has better hands than Moss. All Moss has on Glenn is straight line speed....and that's only marginally better than Glenn.

 

[Bizwah]

Okay dude... Samuel gets beat, like everybody else. But he's a better run blocker and pulls a lot better.

Really?

Cause I read in several places that Samuels needs to improve his run-blocking.

 

[BigDFan5]

Offense starters

Neither team uses FB so I will go 3 wide

QB Romo
RB Portis
LT Samuels
LG Kosier
C Gurode
RG Davis
RT Jansen
WR TO, Glenn, Moss
TE Witten

 

[firehawk350]

Players who would start for washington

Defense

DE Ware and Ellis
DT Ferguson
OLB Carp Spencer,or Mcintosh draw
CB Newman
SS Roy

Ware would take over for Daniels, easily. Ellis couldn't take over for Carter, not happening. Too old, injury and his best stretch (before the injury) didn't look as good as Carter's end stretch. Probably go into this year as a battle and if Carter continues form, he would keep the job.
For OLB, Washington would start strongside and as for the youngins', who knows? Newman would get the nod over Rogers (duh) but Springs, when healthy, would start over Newman. Roy would make the start over Landry but sometime this year or next, depending on how practices and the time he sees (would go in on passing downs) go, Landry would start taking over for Roy.
So overall, I could see Ware, Ferguson (over Golston), Newman and Roy as the only sure starts. And Roy might get phased out in the next year. That's not a convincing portrayal of being so much more talented.

Umm why is it ok when you used last years stats but when I do the same you get offended

Because you used a stat to compare somebody who was injured off and on to somebody who was healthy almost the whole year.

No its different because when I didnt know I asked, you continued to be wrong without trying to make it right.

So because you dont remember a line of 5 guys being good he cant be good? He was pro bowl alternate and gave up like 4 sacks

Chill the hell out dude, it's all okay. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying this conversation has to be 100% correct. And giving up 4 sacks as a guard isn't a good stat. DTs don't get a lot of sacks usually.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Okay dude... Samuel gets beat, like everybody else. But he's a better run blocker and pulls a lot better.

Thanks Dude

 

[firehawk350]

Offense starters

Neither team uses FB so I will go 3 wide

QB Romo
RB Portis
LT Samuels
LG Kosier
C Gurode
RG Davis
RT Jansen
WR TO, Glenn, Moss
TE Witten

What the hell are you talking about??? Yes, we both use a fullback (Sellers and Hoyte).
QB (who knows, too early to tell)
RB Portis
FB Sellers
LT Samuels
LG Kosier
C Rabach
RG Thomas
RT Jansen
WR TO, Moss
TE (wash, I like Cooley better, but you'll argue Witten all day)

To say a top 3 line wouldn't start more players then an average line is just idiotic.

 

[Hostile]

So, given the choice, would you want Samuel, or Flozell??? And Samuel is only 28 or so (exact age escapes me), so he's got a good 3 years or so left...

I would want Samuel.

 

[firehawk350]

Thanks Dude

So are you agreeing? If they are roughly about equal in pass protection, then the better run blocker gets the nod. I don't understand what your argument is here.

 

[BigDFan5]

Ware would take over for Daniels, easily.

agreed

Ellis couldn't take over for Carter, not happening. Too old, injury and his best stretch (before the injury) didn't look as good as Carter's end stretch. Probably go into this year as a battle and if Carter continues form, he would keep the job.

I think its likely Ellis was always solid at DE getting 8-9 sacks a year Carter not so much

For OLB, Washington would start strongside and as for the youngins', who knows? Newman would get the nod over Rogers (duh) but Springs, when healthy, would start over Newman.

No way no how Springs starts over Newman LOL. Newman has given up 2 TDs in 2 years

Roy would make the start over Landry but sometime this year or next, depending on how practices and the time he sees (would go in on passing downs) go, Landry would start taking over for Roy.

I would see him replacing Taylor before Roy, but if we use the replacment argument then I will say Spencer will replace Carter huzaa

So overall, I could see Ware, Ferguson (over Golston), Newman and Roy as the only sure starts. And Roy might get phased out in the next year. That's not a convincing portrayal of being so much more talented.

Newman, Roy, Ellis, Ware Ferguson, definite starters

Because you used a stat to compare somebody who was injured off and on to somebody who was healthy almost the whole year.

both guys started 14 games both guys had some injuries







Chill the hell out dude, it's all okay. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying this conversation has to be 100% correct. And giving up 4 sacks as a guard isn't a good stat. DTs don't get a lot of sacks usually.[/quote]

I am very chilled I aint mad at ya the 4 was from his rookie year he gave up 2 the following year in a partial season before being moved to RT

 

[BigDFan5]

What the hell are you talking about??? Yes, we both use a fullback (Sellers and Hoyte).

First a Commanders fan is the one that said Sellars played an hback role before this coming year, and Hoyte was a LB we used seldom at FB we used 2 TEs much more

QB (who knows, too early to tell)

I go with the pro bowler that went 6-4 with a 95 rating

C Rabach

Gurode is better than Rabach

RG Thomas

I will give you thomas simply because Davis hasnt played guard in a couple years

To say a top 3 line wouldn't start more players then an average line is just idiotic.

unless its true

BTW chill the hell out dude

 

[Bizwah]

Reference my above post.




What's laughable is your refusal to accept that Fletcher is one of the best in the game and has been for 5+ years. He beats both of your ILBs in every stat category, sometimes combined.

You mention delusional down below....Now, I think you're delusional. One of the best in the game?

I can name 20 LBs better than Fletcher...easily.

Tailed off, let me see. How can I explain this best...

Please do....

Tailing off is described as performing later in the season worse then you previously did.

Nope......Wasn't explained better

Last six games for Glenn

8 for 107
4 for 52
8 for 150
5 for 96
1 for 17 (now, he was bad here)
6 for 109

Yeah...he flat out sucked the last six games. WRs that have three 100 yard games (almost 4) out of their last six really stink.

See Dallas Defense for a good example.

It's all clear!!!!! I get it!!! Glenn has a direct link to our defense sucking!

Ok....I don't get it....you'll have to help. Maybe draw some pictures or something.

Congrats dude. Your starting pair of RBs outrushed a player who only played in half the season and two of those games, got 10 carries or less. Does no one remember that Clinton Portis has 3 seasons (out of 5) over 1500 yards? One of those season (this last one) was because he was injured for more then half???

This doesn't change the fact that BOTH our backs out-produced BOTH your backs. Barber's scored more TDs in a season than Portis ever has.

I'd say your delusional. But your not going to pay attention to what i say.



Who said that?

Maybe if you had something reasonable to say.