Philpott says Martellus is a bust - 6/21/08

[speedkilz88]

I think though, he was talking about his size and physique

Nope, he said he didn't buy the Amendola hype and that it was Bennett that was the most impressive that weekend.

 

[links18]

Man, when does pre-season start?

 

[JonJon]

**This is from a direct post he made to start a thread over at The Ranch.

You guys are not going to like what I'm getting ready to type
Martellus Bennett looks like a complete bust to me.

I know he hasn't played a down in the NFL. I know he hasn't even gone through training camp yet. I understand that. I get that.

Jeez...I hope it's not to late to trade him to Miami for Fasano and Ayodele...

 

[burmafrd]

These things mean so very little once we get to camp.

THEN we will start to know a little more.

I was not in favor of the pick but since we had dumped Fasano we really had to get another TE.

Now I think its clear that we cannot expect the guy to come right in and contribute right away considering how limited his experience was at A & M as regards plays, etc. Maybe in the red zone, etc. But to expect him to be ready to come in and play significant minutes is just plain stupid. He is not a project, but he is also not someone who can step right in. Patience will be required (I know, such a concept!).

 

[DallasFanSince86]

How about you get the concept.

I copied and pasted his post and I wasn't changing any of it.

Yes, you should feel pretty stupid right about now.

I thought he was talking about Philpott when he said blogger, not you. Well that is how I read Bill Wooten's post.

 

[Fletch]

There's been a couple threads talking about his ability to digest the playbook. Seems he's thinking alot right now...

When you're thinking about what you have to do, I imagine it's harder to let your athleticism take over.

That said, I think all the normal disclaimers should apply. Rookie, minicamp, no pads, etc.

I bet Fasano was a real world beater when he was a green, rookie TE! But just because Bennett was a second rounder, they expect him to be Pro Bowl material before training camp and preseason even begins.

 

[theogt]

Premature or not, I didn't see why he was a 2nd rounder from the get go.

 

[Walker]

A bust and it's barely june.

 

[Walker]

Premature or not, I didn't see why he was a 2nd rounder from the get go.

Not sure how accurate the reports were on draft day but he could have gone earlier had the scouts not voted against Jerry moving up to grab him. The scouts were hoping he wouldn't be taken off the board before their pick with the teams ahead of them considering he was predicted to go earlier. Then again we all know reports on draft day have a lot of rumors going left and right.

 

[dooomsday]

Premature or not, I didn't see why he was a 2nd rounder from the get go.

JJ was being nice. Everyone who came for a pre draft brunch was automatically drafted. Least he can do!

 

[Beast_from_East]

or it could be that he played in a run heavy offense and is adapting to having to concentrate on route running and catching the ball at the same time. more complicated routes likely mean he's got to think about things and isn't able to give enough concentration to catching the ball yet.

I have seen more complex plays on Madden than what the Aggies were doing on offense last year. You could literally draw the play in the dirt, it was that freaking basic.

Give the kid a break, the Boyz offense compared to the Aggies is like comparing 3rd grade to graduate school.

It is going to take some time.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Premature or not, I didn't see why he was a 2nd rounder from the get go.

Actually he was drafted right around where he was projected to go. Look at Gosslin top 100 list and you will see that he was picked just about where he was projected to go.

The guy was a freaking beast on a Jr High offense at A&M, he was not a reach in the 2nd.

If the rumors are to be believed, Limas Sweed was our target in the 2nd and the Steelers beat us to him. The big TE was the backup plan. I really am kinda glad, because I watched alot of UT games and Sweed was so freaking overrated it is not even funny.

I know I am going to get some heat from the UT guys on this board, but Sweed just never impressed me and would totally disapper in games. If the guy didnt go to UT, his name would have hardly been mentioned on this board before the draft.

 

[dooomsday]

Actually he was drafted right around where he was projected to go. Look at Gosslin top 100 list and you will see that he was picked just about where he was projected to go.

The guy was a freaking beast on a Jr High offense at A&M, he was not a reach in the 2nd.

If the rumors are to be believed, Limas Sweed was our target in the 2nd and the Steelers beat us to him. The big TE was the backup plan. I really am kinda glad, because I watched alot of UT games and Sweed was so freaking overrated it is not even funny.

I know I am going to get some heat from the UT guys on this board, but Sweed just never impressed me and would totally disapper in games. If the guy didnt go to UT, his name would have hardly been mentioned on this board before the draft.

Well Sweed is impressing the heck out of Pitts and they say the opposite of Bennett. Hard worker, eager to learn, picking it all up etc. If I had to take a project in round 2 it would be at a position of need and not a position with an All Pro already entrenched. What did Bennett do to deserve his draft slot? Have a good sr.year in high school? All sizzle no steak.

But, no, not a reach at 60 for a team without a TE. I saw him projected at #45. We just dont need him. Funny thing is his heart,attitude, his speed and his discipline were all flags and could be the reason he fell and was 4th TE taken (as opposed to first). They are also the things we read about now.

JJ also said he targeted Hardy. If he wanted to trade up there were 3-4 traded that did take place at the top of the 2nd round. We didnt get it done.



On Sweed in Pitts:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_572844.html

"He is very humble. He communicates. He is not afraid to ask questions," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. "His passion for the game shows through the minute he walks into the building which allows you to indicate that he has a chance to be what we think he is capable of being."

Translation: the Steelers may have found a keeper.

Sweed has a unique blend of size and speed and is a tremendous leaper. Long and lean as a goal post, he is also deceptively strong -- he could bench press more than 300 pounds when he was in high school -- and he almost certainly wouldn't have been available when the Steelers picked in the second round of the draft had a wrist injury not derailed his senior season at Texas.

 

[starfrombirth]

Sorry to stick up for the underdog here but here goes... not everyone is or can be a genius coming into the nfl. Some people are just going to have to study a little bit longer and work a little bit harder to get the most out of their talent. Red's playbook isn't simple, I'm sure. Now if after he's been here awhile, we hear that he doesn't study or practice hard, then I'll be worried. As for him being slow, he wasn't slow in the pre-draft workouts or the combine so he isn't slow now, he's just trying to absorb what he's learning. Everyone is slow during that phase. I think he'll turn out ok but right now is just too early. I'm sure that everyone that posts on this board learns everything perfectly the first time (except me) but I'm sure you know someone who isn't like that and you don't think any less of them. ... Just a thought and my little dose of reality...

 

[dooomsday]

Sorry to stick up for the underdog here but here goes... not everyone is or can be a genius coming into the nfl. Some people are just going to have to study a little bit longer and work a little bit harder to get the most out of their talent. Red's playbook isn't simple, I'm sure. Now if after he's been here awhile, we hear that he doesn't study or practice hard, then I'll be worried. As for him being slow, he wasn't slow in the pre-draft workouts or the combine so he isn't slow now, he's just trying to absorb what he's learning. Everyone is slow during that phase. I think he'll turn out ok but right now is just too early. I'm sure that everyone that posts on this board learns everything perfectly the first time (except me) but I'm sure you know someone who isn't like that and you don't think any less of them. ... Just a thought and my little dose of reality...

I dont think he's a bust or anything, I just dont think we needed a 3rd TE for a SB run. At best he wont beat out Wit so I am not even sure if he'll get the reps he needs. Especially if he struggles to learn the plays. Then he gets even less. Thats reality.

As far as his speed, no one called him slow. I think they said slower than they thought he would be. And thats because he was sold as a Gates-like threat and thats not not the case. He is not a speedy TE who plays like a WR ala Gates. He is much more in the mold of another Witten. Not slow, not fast. Great athlete.

 

[JonJon]

Premature or not, I didn't see why he was a 2nd rounder from the get go.

The one thing that I didn't like about the pick was Jerry saying that there wasn't a WR that could contribute this year in the draft. However, I think Bennett is further behind than the top WR's that we could have had. I think he will be good in a few years but I never understood that logic....pretty much all WR's won't be any good for a few years. Just look at Braylon Edwards.

 

[theogt]

Actually he was drafted right around where he was projected to go. Look at Gosslin top 100 list and you will see that he was picked just about where he was projected to go.

The guy was a freaking beast on a Jr High offense at A&M, he was not a reach in the 2nd.

If the rumors are to be believed, Limas Sweed was our target in the 2nd and the Steelers beat us to him. The big TE was the backup plan. I really am kinda glad, because I watched alot of UT games and Sweed was so freaking overrated it is not even funny.

I know I am going to get some heat from the UT guys on this board, but Sweed just never impressed me and would totally disapper in games. If the guy didnt go to UT, his name would have hardly been mentioned on this board before the draft.

Oh, I totally agree that it was about where he was "projected." I just don't see why he was projected to go that high.

 

[Kilyin]

Roy Philpott is a bust.

And since I know you're reading this, your web site is a sham and a ripoff.

There, I said it.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

He was Drafted to block anyway. That's what Martelleus did at A&M, he blocked well.

Curtis and Witten are better than Fasano anyway.

On the field at the same time, Curtis and Bennett should be great options for the running play.


Beyond that, HELLO! He's a Rookie in his first Minni-Camp.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Absolutely agree.

We obviously dont know if he will be good, bad or great... but right now.... sounds like he overwhelmed with the mental... THAT will change... THEN we will see what this guy can do with the mental/physical part of his game.

He is more than likely a 3 year "wait and see" player.