Philpott says Martellus is a bust - 6/21/08

[BlueStar II]

It's too early to get worried about his hands/focus, let's hope that we'll be able to write this off as just "rookie adjustment".

 

[juck]

philpot is a bust.

 

[ZeroClub]

**This is from a direct post he made to start a thread over at The Ranch.

You guys are not going to like what I'm getting ready to type

The first part of his prediction is right. Nobody likes it.

... also, the fact is that Bennett isn't especially likely to show much in his first couple of years. It is not an indictment of Bennett's talent. Witten is great and Curtis is a promising player who has more experience.

Even if Bennett were the second coming of Witten, it'll be a while before we know it. The position is crowded right now.

 

[AsthmaField]

Philpott is just a fan. It's just his opinion, which frankly I trust less than a lot of guys who post here.

 

[VACowboy]

Have you seen the "leeblair" thread over there? 24 pages devoted to one poster.

I haven't seen anything over there.

 

[Fletch]

"Slow" and "aggie" are synonymous.

And this coming from a guy who dorns the transformer logo.

 

[dbair1967]

60+ posts in response to PhilTurd's view on a player?

This guy is a waste of time, just like his awful forum...he knows nothing more about players than any of us do (and honestly, his opinions on players is far less valid because he is so unintelligent about player talent anyway)

I saw the guy play only a couple of times, but he was pretty impressive and was definitely more agile and athletic than Fasano, while also being a better blocker than what I saw from Fasano while he was here...he'll be fine

David

 

[Fletch]

Well Sweed is impressing the heck out of Pitts and they say the opposite of Bennett. Hard worker, eager to learn, picking it all up etc. If I had to take a project in round 2 it would be at a position of need and not a position with an All Pro already entrenched. What did Bennett do to deserve his draft slot? Have a good sr.year in high school? All sizzle no steak.

But, no, not a reach at 60 for a team without a TE. I saw him projected at #45. We just dont need him. Funny thing is his heart,attitude, his speed and his discipline were all flags and could be the reason he fell and was 4th TE taken (as opposed to first). They are also the things we read about now.

JJ also said he targeted Hardy. If he wanted to trade up there were 3-4 traded that did take place at the top of the 2nd round. We didnt get it done.



On Sweed in Pitts:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_572844.html

"He is very humble. He communicates. He is not afraid to ask questions," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. "His passion for the game shows through the minute he walks into the building which allows you to indicate that he has a chance to be what we think he is capable of being."

Translation: the Steelers may have found a keeper.

Sweed has a unique blend of size and speed and is a tremendous leaper. Long and lean as a goal post, he is also deceptively strong -- he could bench press more than 300 pounds when he was in high school -- and he almost certainly wouldn't have been available when the Steelers picked in the second round of the draft had a wrist injury not derailed his senior season at Texas.

Okay. Time to slow down and take that chill pill. I happen to live here in western PA, and know for a fact that the Pittsburgh media is very "pro" Steelers. Very "pro" any team that plays for the city of Pittsburgh. No matter how good or bad or extremely over-hyped they might be. It's just the way of things.

We all know what the Dallas/Ft. Worth (and surrounding areas) media is all about. Borderline anti-Cowboy. Up here in the Pittsburgh area, every Steeler fan thinks Sweed is a Pro Bowler, along with the rest of the entire Steeler's roster thanks to the fabulous Pitt media coverage. It's a freakin' cult.

Take this for what it's worth.

 

[links18]

He was Drafted to block anyway. That's what Martelleus did at A&M, he blocked well.

Curtis and Witten are better than Fasano anyway.

On the field at the same time, Curtis and Bennett should be great options for the running play.


Beyond that, HELLO! He's a Rookie in his first Minni-Camp.

Funny, the first thing they said about him on the NFL Network after he was drafted was "He isn't going to block anyone." Its amazing how you will hear wildly contradictory evaluations of a player from different sources. One guy says he can't block, the other said all he does is block. The bottom line is we will not know anything about him until he sees some playing time. But I agree it was an odd choice in the second round, given we already have Witten and our overwhelming need is at WR. We'll see. But the reports about his mouth and his inability to pick-up the the playbook are troubling. Yeah, he's a rookie and yeah he came from a simple college offense, but isn't that something you factor in when drafting?

 

[speedkilz88]

Spags observation of Bennett at rookie minicamp

Hard Not To Notice

One guy hard to miss the first two days of this three-day mini-camp has been second-round draft choice Martellus Bennett. And for more reasons than just being 6-6.

The tight end from Texas A&M so far has done a nice job of catching the ball, but maybe even more noticeable has been his ability to run routes and get open in these individual drills.

"He has a feel for space and where other people are," Phillips said. "And he has good body control . . . he's got a little separation."

Phillips means Bennett can break away from defensive backs or linebackers running pass routes.

Jerry Jones keeps seeing the possibilities of utilizing Bennett in the red zone, especially inside the 10 when the field gets congested, except up there where only a 6-6 player with leaping ability can go.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=B0C98277-FA78-0F76-56B522FB30B29BFB

 

[Biggems]

While I am not upset at the pick...I am not completely stoked with the pick. I think Bennett was a solid choice in the 2nd.

I will say this though, he was drafted more for potential than for production. His time at A&M was a waste. Fran didn't use him properly or use his enough. Bennett could have been the crutch that made that offense march down the field, week after week...but Fran just didn't utilize the TE all that much. Bennett had the size and speed to dominate on the college level, and when given the opportunity, as limited as it was, he did produce quite nicely.

So right now, he is a little behind the curve, when compared to some of the other rookie TEs....but I think he has the physical ability to quickly make up ground....the question is, does he have the mental ability.

Time will tell. Thankfully we have Witten, Curtis, and Hannah, in case Bennett does actually prove to be a bust.

 

[Biggems]

BTW, I kinda would have liked Cottam...cause of his size, red zone possibilities, and he went to Tennessee also. I think he and Witten would have some nice chemistry.

 

[jobberone]

He was Drafted to block anyway. That's what Martelleus did at A&M, he blocked well.

Curtis and Witten are better than Fasano anyway.

On the field at the same time, Curtis and Bennett should be great options for the running play.


Beyond that, HELLO! He's a Rookie in his first Minni-Camp.

He was drafted for all his abilities but I sorta think blocking was not at the forefront of Jones mind; rather 6-6 leaper in the red zone catch a TD kinda thinking.

BTW, I kinda would have liked Cottam...cause of his size, red zone possibilities, and he went to Tennessee also. I think he and Witten would have some nice chemistry.

Nothing wrong with wanting someone else. But he's here now.

Can't say why the guy posted that other than sensationalistic journalism is the soup de jour (or is that soupe d'jour???). Look read my story. I too can prognosticate with the big boys.

If the guy can help in the red zone then great. Thoughts of Jay McKinley Novacek catching balls at the goal line leap out at me. Isn't that Jerry Jones' dream since the guy retired?

 

[BuckyG]

Lots of rookies look bad in their first minicamp. Lots of rookies look great in their first minicamp.

Lots of rookies look bad in training camp. Lots of rookies look great in training camp.

Lots of rookies look bad in the preseason. Lots of rookies look great in the preseason.

Lots of rookies look bad in the first few games of the regular season. Lots of rookies look great in the first few games of the regular season.

Of course, it's not always the same rookies looking "bad" or "great" at each stage, some rookies are both at different stages, and none of that necessarily indicates how good that player will be by the end of their rookie season or for the rest of their career.

Remember last August, when Pro Football Talk stated, "There's already talk in league circles that defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, the No. 10 overall pick in the draft, could be a bust. ... As one source said, he's the "creation of a good P.R. campaign," and "there's no way he's a first-round pick."

Sixteen regular-season games later, Okoye was named to most -- if not all -- of the All-Rookie teams.

Exactly. Remember how after a couple of days of OTAs, Danny Amendola was already being talked about as if he were the next Wes Welker?

If the Cowboys believe in Bennett's potential, they'll give him time to develop, and he either will or he won't. But one minicamp does not a bust make.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

And this coming from a guy who dorns the transformer logo.

Optimus Prime > Chevy Chase

 

[David276]

Jun-22-08 AP Sports. Rumors out of Dallas have it that a "Roy Philpott" has no credibility and is a loser, More to come .

 

[Spectre]

This is called over reaction typical if a rookie does not look like a pro bowler in 5 seconds they are a bust

:bang2::bang2::bang2:


Would this be the same type of people that use to raved about chutch in practice on 11 on 11 drills and put Romo down because Chad threw that rocket ball.

How did that turn out

That's not true.

If you are drafted high to play a professional sport, you should a high level of ability immediately. Period. No excuses. Excuses are for rec-leagues and school teams.

I'm not saying some players don't improve but I think Bennett wil be a bust.

 

[tomson75]

That's not true.

If you are drafted high to play a professional sport, you should a high level of ability immediately. Period. No excuses. Excuses are for rec-leagues and school teams.

I'm not saying some players don't improve but I think Bennett wil be a bust.

....and you're basing this on what, one guy's opinion?

 

[bbgun]

60+ posts in response to PhilTurd's view on a player?

This guy is a waste of time, just like his awful forum

Are you saying it's not your homepage?

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=112&f=1786&t=2598250

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Jerry Rice didn't light it up immediately. He dropped many passes in camp his first year. And I think he had problems dropping balls early in his rookie year.

A bust before training camp has even started? Give the guy a chance first.

The word bust has several meanings. It can mean "to break something," or "bad draft pick," or "a women's fun bags." Some people might just like to type this word because of its many meanings.

In the women's football league, is it ok(politically correct) to call a wasted female draft pick a "bust?"