Players Dallas has shown interest in

[Risen Star]

Is that really his account?

Dat boy an idiot.

The level of moron it takes to not only think it but tweet it without any reservations should automatically disqualify him from a roster spot on your football team.

I would rather forfeit a pick than use it on that clown.

 

[jnday]

The level of moron it takes to not only think it but tweet it without any reservations should automatically disqualify him from a roster spot on your football team.

I would rather forfeit a pick than use it on that clown.

He is stupid, but he has a point. He was brought there to play ball. If he wasn't a good player, the school would not give him the time of day. Colleges use these kids to make big money. They don't care about these kids on a personal level.

 

[tyke1doe]

He is stupid, but he has a point. He was brought there to play ball. If he wasn't a good player, the school would not give him the time of day. Colleges use these kids to make big money. They don't care about these kids on a personal level.

I disagree somewhat. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. These kids use their athletic talents to get in schools they wouldn't get into without athletics. They are given the best treatment college has to offer - food, personal trainers AND TUTORS!!!

Schools also tell you that a high percentage of players WON'T play in the NFL so you'd better get your studies in.

You are given all the resources that regular students aren't given.

If players don't take advantage of the resources and opportunities available to them, it's on them.

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree somewhat. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. These kids use their athletic talents to get in schools they wouldn't get into without athletics. They are given the best treatment college has to offer - food, personal trainers AND TUTORS!!!

Schools also tell you that a high percentage of players WON'T play in the NFL so you'd better get your studies in.

You are given all the resources that regular students aren't given.

If players don't take advantage of the resources and opportunities available to them, it's on them.

I agree ask anyone who has a massive student loan outstanding. As for big profits by college programs, according to this there are many schools who are losing money not making it off athletics such as Auburn who is running a 17 million dollar deficit

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/sports/wp/2015/11/23/running-up-the-bills/

 

[jnday]

I disagree somewhat. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. These kids use their athletic talents to get in schools they wouldn't get into without athletics. They are given the best treatment college has to offer - food, personal trainers AND TUTORS!!!

Schools also tell you that a high percentage of players WON'T play in the NFL so you'd better get your studies in.

You are given all the resources that regular students aren't given.

If players don't take advantage of the resources and opportunities available to them, it's on them.

I understand exactly what these kids are being offered, but a lot of them don't understand or care about an education.

 

[tyke1doe]

I understand exactly what these kids are being offered, but a lot of them don't understand or care about an education.

Sadly, you're right.

 

[LittleD]

I understand exactly what these kids are being offered, but a lot of them don't understand or care about an education.

An indictment of our Public and Private education system you might say! Sadly most young men, especially athletes,
want a quick way to money and could care less about education. Just give me the Quan, right?

 

[stilltheguru88]

So........who are interested in again?

 

[manster4ever]

The level of moron it takes to not only think it but tweet it without any reservations should automatically disqualify him from a roster spot on your football team.

I would rather forfeit a pick than use it on that clown.

Agree, but Jones tweeted that a LONG time ago. Everyone knows he's a DOLT. Just like most OSU players. Nothing but mercenaries. Bosa isn't much brighter.

 

[Verdict]

That would only entail a situation where they never thought they had a legit chance to get a player....Like the Mo pick. They did not think he would fall and they did not think they would be in a position to move up.

However with either Jack or Ramsey (who this conversation was essentially about)...I am pretty sure they have an idea if they would have a plan in place of what they would what each player would play if they drafted...even if the plan changed later.

That was the only thing I was talking about. They don't have just a few minutes on the clock to consider how they might play a Jack or a Ramsey...they have months leading up to the draft. And even if they get the player in camp and see that he better suited for a different plan than they originally thought, that still does not mean they had no plan going into it.

Either way the basis of the argument is whether a team has a plan or not. I believe they do, now whether the plan is good or bad is another argument.

I think some are so jaded that they think this team or FO has no plans what so ever and just go willy nilly and draft a player without any idea of how they will play them.

Trying to work the word plan into this post more as for some reason that is the next word that "snark" will be used on to try and belittle anyone that thinks this team has a plan and is not just throwing darts at the wall with no idea of why they pick a player or where they would play him just for the hell of it.

People are under the assumption that just because WE don't know where they would play Jack or Ramsey than that means they don't know how they would play either and therefore they don't think the team should draft either because they are still under the assumption that nobody knows where he should be played so why draft that player. Again...that is the assumption of some on the board that they know that the FO, scouts and coaches don't know because a member(s) on a sports forum does not know. I find that idea to be silly.

Somehow I doubt a team spends a great deal of time, money and man power not to have some kind of plan for some players they plan on drafting in the first round of this draft....and I am pretty sure they would have a plan if they decided to draft a Ramsey or Jack.

Hope that helps.
It's a plan...a process.

I think this is an EXCELLENT post, and I AGREE wholeheartedly that the Cowboys have a PLAN for how they are going to use a player BEFORE they select him in the draft. The only head scratcher that sort of doesn't jive with that theory is our tendency to draft second round tight ends and then fail to use them. LOL I don't really know what to think about that outlier!

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Yeah, how could you possibly not believe the Cowboys have a plan in place?

I don't see the issue of using that 2nd round pick on Thompson should he be there. (He won't be) Jones has flexicality and the opportunity to add a safety with range is too valuable to pass on for me. Whether that means Jones pairs up with him on the backend or he plays corner, I don't know. It would be a get your best players on the field sort of thing. I'd let that sort itself out in camp.

So then you like the best Safety in the Draft. Ramsey @ #4.

 

[Risen Star]

So then you like the best Safety in the Draft. Ramsey @ #4.

I have no problem with a S in the top 5 in general.

Your melvin math, notwithstanding.

 

[Sydla]

I understand exactly what these kids are being offered, but a lot of them don't understand or care about an education.

Then that's their problem, not the school's. I mean how freaking hard is it to understand two basic premises - most players don't make the NFL and you are being given a chance at a free education that can help you later in life?

If a kid can't understand that or is too much of a schmuck to care about it, that's on him..........

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Is that really his account?

Dat boy an idiot.

The mind is terrible thing.

 

[Floatyworm]

We were talking about Jones.

I do believe that idea was for him to play FS. I think they tested him in multiple places and for a time it seemed like they settled in on FS for the most part...until injuries got in the way and they moved him to CB towards the end of the season.

This was also brought up if we got Ramsey...Would they keep him at FS or CB. To which I said they probably had a plan for him, while others may disagree. However even if said plans did not work out you could find out which player was best suited for the FS spot and which was better suited for the CB spot. We also have to consider that if Ramsey is pretty flexible and shown it is not too be for him to play multiple positions when needed ala Byron did this past season. That would be a plus.

Hopefully we get a better idea of what our secondary will look like prior to the draft. Will Mo, Carr and Oscan all be here...if so...maybe they keep Byron at FS and draft a CB at four or later. What if both Mo and Carr are gone and we only bring in one CB...Chances are CB/FS might be high on the list with the draftee playing on position and Jones playing the other.

There are a multitude of things that can happen depending on FA goes. Depending on what players are available to us and so on.

However one thing is clear...if they feel Ramsey is a good player that can play both positions at a high level...it would be nice to have the position flex and you would find a way to put two good players on the field at the same time.

Now with all of that said...I am NOT in the camp that wants Ramsey at 4. I would not throw a temper tantrum and go on ad nauseum about how he is a bad pick or how they screwed up the draft if they took him...but of the number of players that probably fit the possible scenarios at 4 at this time...Ramsey and Bosa are not ones I would want.

I gotta disagree. I think the plan all along was to play him @ CB. Then they wanted to get the best players on the field (hence to move to FS)...then when Claiborne went down they had their opening to find out what they had w/ him @ CB......Then he got beat like a drum vs the Jets and Commanders 2 out of the last 3 games...and are now already reeling...trying to find a place to hide the guy from being exposed....and figure the least likely spot is FS.

 

[Sydla]

I gotta disagree. I think the plan all along was to play him @ CB. Then they wanted to get the best players on the field (hence to move to FS)...then when Claiborne went down they had their opening to find out what they had w/ him @ CB......Then he got beat like a drum vs the Jets and Commanders 2 out of the last 3 games...and are now already reeling...trying to find a place to hide the guy from being exposed....and figure the least likely spot is FS.

 

[Omegasupreme]

I think this is an EXCELLENT post, and I AGREE wholeheartedly that the Cowboys have a PLAN for how they are going to use a player BEFORE they select him in the draft. The only head scratcher that sort of doesn't jive with that theory is our tendency to draft second round tight ends and then fail to use them. LOL I don't really know what to think about that outlier!

Exactly. When Escobar (I believe) was available Jerry was excited, Jason, clapping, then offered a sobering "we have to be careful how we use him." Now, I don't believe Jason really has any say in the defensive scheme and defensive coaching whatsoever (unless they disrespect him or fail to wear a suit on a week that he wants to exercise his authority), so when Jerry gives him a weapon on offense and Jason tempers the expectations, it just seems like a player that was not in the original cards; and that the "planning" is more winging to see what kind of talent falls in their laps. I think the hindsight of this past year would made last years draft after the 2nd round a lot more focused on RB need and not "luxury" picks with names like Nzeocha, Gibson, and Swaim. Jason has brought some new philosophies to the team which may very well spread to how the draft is "planned". He works his offense solely based on what the defense gives them, and perhaps the draft is the same. Just see what rest of the teams in the NFL with an actual plan allows us.

 

[Risen Star]

One non-combine tight end prospect that’s always intrigued me is Michigan’s A.J. Williams. The senior was not rated by teams entering the season but has garnered a lot of interest from both the New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys recently. Williams has offensive tackle size at 6-feet/5-inches and almost 270-pounds but moves well about the field and is a solid short range passing catching target. Expect him to time in the 4.8’s during Michigan pro-day and though Williams may not be selected in the draft, he’ll have an opportunity next season as a third tight end brought onto the field during short yardage situations or in the red zone.

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I'm having Kendall Watkins flashbacks from that steaming pile of dung that was our 1995 draft class.

 

[RS12]

One non-combine tight end prospect that’s always intrigued me is Michigan’s A.J. Williams. The senior was not rated by teams entering the season but has garnered a lot of interest from both the New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys recently. Williams has offensive tackle size at 6-feet/5-inches and almost 270-pounds but moves well about the field and is a solid short range passing catching target. Expect him to time in the 4.8’s during Michigan pro-day and though Williams may not be selected in the draft, he’ll have an opportunity next season as a third tight end brought onto the field during short yardage situations or in the red zone.

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I'm having Kendall Watkins flashbacks from that steaming pile of dung that was our 1995 draft class.

They have been lookinng g for a blocking TE for years. Unlike Watkins he wont go second round.

 

[Risen Star]

They have been lookinng g for a blocking TE for years. Unlike Watkins he wont go second round.

We should have traded a pick this year to get a late 7th last year to fill this need.

Live and learn.