Players Dallas has shown interest in

[Risen Star]

Let's see how many times we can post the word plan.

Sounds like a plan.

Unless someone has a plan B?

 

[jnday]

You are under the assumption they don't have a plan. That is your assumption. That does not make it true.

This is just how we are talking right now and how the draftniks are talking right now when it comes to Ramsey.

That does not mean the cowboys don't view him as a CB or a FS if they draft him.

I know that might not fit into common opinion on this board but we just don't know what their plans our with him and just because we don't know, it does not mean they don't.

I don't really think it is possible to plan very much due to the draft being so unpredictable. Every year there are surprise risers and fallers in the draft and there is no way of knowing who they will be. The only real plan that they can have is just being prepared by knowing the prospect's strengths and weaknesses .

 

[jnday]

Let's see how many times we can post the word plan.

Sounds like a plan.

Unless someone has a plan B?

I think "plan"' may be a new comfort term to make us feel like they know what they are doing. RKG, process, etc has been used to make us feel better in the past.

 

[Silverstar]

I think a good plan going in would be to trade down to maybe the 10-15 range if possible. There will still be plenty of talent there to choose from. The extra pick or picks, also gives you the ammo to trade back up later if you want a certain player.

 

[CCBoy]

I don't really think it is possible to plan very much due to the draft being so unpredictable. Every year there are surprise risers and fallers in the draft and there is no way of knowing who they will be. The only real plan that they can have is just being prepared by knowing the prospect's strengths and weaknesses .

JN, that is why the draft board and working out tons of combinations prior to going into the draft is so highly attempted by Dallas. The interation between the coaching staff and the Scout Department is where depth and practical applications emerge. The last three drafts have been pretty strong as to match up of talent and use by the team.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't really think it is possible to plan very much due to the draft being so unpredictable. Every year there are surprise risers and fallers in the draft and there is no way of knowing who they will be. The only real plan that they can have is just being prepared by knowing the prospect's strengths and weaknesses .

Risers and fallers have nothing to do with what I was talking about in respect to a plan for an individual player if they are drafted.

Yes plan. Plan plan...choke on that one haters hahahah

 

[jnday]

Risers and fallers have nothing to do with what I was talking about in respect to a plan for an individual player if they are drafted.

Yes plan. Plan plan...choke on that one haters hahahah

I understand your thoughts on the team having a plan for certain players. My point is that they have just a few minutes on the clock to consider and compare plans before the pick is turned in. I think it takes more preparation than fans realize to draft the right player and have the right plan in place to get the most out out of them.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I understand your thoughts on the team having a plan for certain players. My point is that they have just a few minutes on the clock to consider and compare plans before the pick is turned in. I think it takes more preparation than fans realize to draft the right player and have the right plan in place to get the most out out of them.

That would only entail a situation where they never thought they had a legit chance to get a player....Like the Mo pick. They did not think he would fall and they did not think they would be in a position to move up.

However with either Jack or Ramsey (who this conversation was essentially about)...I am pretty sure they have an idea if they would have a plan in place of what they would what each player would play if they drafted...even if the plan changed later.

That was the only thing I was talking about. They don't have just a few minutes on the clock to consider how they might play a Jack or a Ramsey...they have months leading up to the draft. And even if they get the player in camp and see that he better suited for a different plan than they originally thought, that still does not mean they had no plan going into it.

Either way the basis of the argument is whether a team has a plan or not. I believe they do, now whether the plan is good or bad is another argument.

I think some are so jaded that they think this team or FO has no plans what so ever and just go willy nilly and draft a player without any idea of how they will play them.

Trying to work the word plan into this post more as for some reason that is the next word that "snark" will be used on to try and belittle anyone that thinks this team has a plan and is not just throwing darts at the wall with no idea of why they pick a player or where they would play him just for the hell of it.

People are under the assumption that just because WE don't know where they would play Jack or Ramsey than that means they don't know how they would play either and therefore they don't think the team should draft either because they are still under the assumption that nobody knows where he should be played so why draft that player. Again...that is the assumption of some on the board that they know that the FO, scouts and coaches don't know because a member(s) on a sports forum does not know. I find that idea to be silly.

Somehow I doubt a team spends a great deal of time, money and man power not to have some kind of plan for some players they plan on drafting in the first round of this draft....and I am pretty sure they would have a plan if they decided to draft a Ramsey or Jack.

Hope that helps.
It's a plan...a process.

 

[jnday]

That would only entail a situation where they never thought they had a legit chance to get a player....Like the Mo pick. They did not think he would fall and they did not think they would be in a position to move up.

However with either Jack or Ramsey (who this conversation was essentially about)...I am pretty sure they have an idea if they would have a plan in place of what they would what each player would play if they drafted...even if the plan changed later.

That was the only thing I was talking about. They don't have just a few minutes on the clock to consider how they might play a Jack or a Ramsey...they have months leading up to the draft. And even if they get the player in camp and see that he better suited for a different plan than they originally thought, that still does not mean they had no plan going into it.

Either way the basis of the argument is whether a team has a plan or not. I believe they do, now whether the plan is good or bad is another argument.

I think some are so jaded that they think this team or FO has no plans what so ever and just go willy nilly and draft a player without any idea of how they will play them.

Trying to work the word plan into this post more as for some reason that is the next word that "snark" will be used on to try and belittle anyone that thinks this team has a plan and is not just throwing darts at the wall with no idea of why they pick a player or where they would play him just for the hell of it.

People are under the assumption that just because WE don't know where they would play Jack or Ramsey than that means they don't know how they would play either and therefore they don't think the team should draft either because they are still under the assumption that nobody knows where he should be played so why draft that player. Again...that is the assumption of some on the board that they know that the FO, scouts and coaches don't know because a member(s) on a sports forum does not know. I find that idea to be silly.

Somehow I doubt a team spends a great deal of time, money and man power not to have some kind of plan for some players they plan on drafting in the first round of this draft....and I am pretty sure they would have a plan if they decided to draft a Ramsey or Jack.

Hope that helps.
It's a plan...a process.

We are on the same page. I think they have a plan for most of these players that can play multiple positions. I say that, but they drafted Jones last year and it is still up in the air about where he will play in the future . You made a good point about the Mo pick. They didn't have any clue that Mo was going to be available and lack of preparation cost them. The good thing about having the 4th pick is that any player can be available so there should be no surprises.

 

[Risen Star]

We are on the same page. I think they have a plan for most of these players that can play multiple positions. I say that, but they drafted Jones last year and it is still up in the air about where he will play in the future . You made a good point about the Mo pick. They didn't have any clue that Mo was going to be available and lack of preparation cost them. The good thing about having the 4th pick is that any player can be available so there should be no surprises.

This is a front office that was taken aback when Sharrif Floyd was on the board at their pick and had to discuss why they had him rated so high before deciding it was a mistake. ON DRAFT DAY.

That is about as damning as you can get as to how this team operates.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

We are on the same page. I think they have a plan for most of these players that can play multiple positions. I say that, but they drafted Jones last year and it is still up in the air about where he will play in the future . You made a good point about the Mo pick. They didn't have any clue that Mo was going to be available and lack of preparation cost them. The good thing about having the 4th pick is that any player can be available so there should be no surprises.

We were talking about Jones.

I do believe that idea was for him to play FS. I think they tested him in multiple places and for a time it seemed like they settled in on FS for the most part...until injuries got in the way and they moved him to CB towards the end of the season.

This was also brought up if we got Ramsey...Would they keep him at FS or CB. To which I said they probably had a plan for him, while others may disagree. However even if said plans did not work out you could find out which player was best suited for the FS spot and which was better suited for the CB spot. We also have to consider that if Ramsey is pretty flexible and shown it is not too be for him to play multiple positions when needed ala Byron did this past season. That would be a plus.

Hopefully we get a better idea of what our secondary will look like prior to the draft. Will Mo, Carr and Oscan all be here...if so...maybe they keep Byron at FS and draft a CB at four or later. What if both Mo and Carr are gone and we only bring in one CB...Chances are CB/FS might be high on the list with the draftee playing on position and Jones playing the other.

There are a multitude of things that can happen depending on FA goes. Depending on what players are available to us and so on.

However one thing is clear...if they feel Ramsey is a good player that can play both positions at a high level...it would be nice to have the position flex and you would find a way to put two good players on the field at the same time.

Now with all of that said...I am NOT in the camp that wants Ramsey at 4. I would not throw a temper tantrum and go on ad nauseum about how he is a bad pick or how they screwed up the draft if they took him...but of the number of players that probably fit the possible scenarios at 4 at this time...Ramsey and Bosa are not ones I would want.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is a front office that was taken aback when Sharrif Floyd was on the board at their pick and had to discuss why they had him rated so high before deciding it was a mistake. ON DRAFT DAY.

That is about as damning as you can get as to how this team operates.

And they corrected that communication and issue about taking a 1 tech DT so much that anyone that knows anything about the Cowboys drafting preferences under the current FO and DC knows they will not take another DT they view as a 1 tech with a top pick...hence whey nobody was shocked, whether they liked it or not, when we passed on DT Malcom Brown last year.

Anyone who knows the cowboys knows they don't put a high amount of value in drafting a 1 tech at DT.

So that was a shock to everyone at that time...but it is obviously not to anyone who considers them a dallas draftnik now.

Anytime someone does a mock that has a 1 tech DT taken in the first round since that info came out is reminded by the majority of users back here that we do not value 1 tech DTs.

When we do a list of players that we think dallas will take each year...how many of us who follow these things like we do will put a first round 1 tech DT on the list now...hardly anyone because we know better.

 

[jnday]

And they corrected that communication and issue about taking a 1 tech DT so much that anyone that knows anything about the Cowboys drafting preferences under the current FO and DC knows they will not take another DT they view as a 1 tech with a top pick...hence whey nobody was shocked, whether they liked it or not, when we passed on DT Malcom Brown last year.

Anyone who knows the cowboys knows they don't put a high amount of value in drafting a 1 tech at DT.

So that was a shock to everyone at that time...but it is obviously not to anyone who considers them a dallas draftnik now.

Anytime someone does a mock that has a 1 tech DT taken in the first round since that info came out is reminded by the majority of users back here that we do not value 1 tech DTs.

When we do a list of players that we think dallas will take each year...how many of us who follow these things like we do will put a first round 1 tech DT on the list now...hardly anyone because we know better.

The 1 tech is still a big weakness on defense. I just can't understand why they don't value the position more. I see game after game where the 1tech hurts the defense . I guess they will continue to ignore it in the same way that they ignored the safety position for years.

 

[Sydla]

The 1 tech is still a big weakness on defense. I just can't understand why they don't value the position more. I see game after game where the 1tech hurts the defense . I guess they will continue to ignore it in the same way that they ignored the safety position for years.

You and I and just about every other Cowboys fan sees it.

But if you believe some of the rumors, when Marinelli and company grade out players each week, apparently Hayden does just fine in their eyes.

It's beyond frustrating and I am a broken record on this but if Hayden is getting a ton of snaps again next year, I will be so disappointed. Frankly, I'd just cut his *** so as to keep Marinelli from being tempted to put him out there even if he has better options.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The 1 tech is still a big weakness on defense. I just can't understand why they don't value the position more. I see game after game where the 1tech hurts the defense . I guess they will continue to ignore it in the same way that they ignored the safety position for years.

It boggles the mind.

I can only hope that DT being a strength in this draft class that they will find one in the rounds 2-4 that might appeal to them even if they are a 1 Tech.

Heck they like position flex with players so find one that they think could be a 1 and who could also fill in at 3 for a few plays here and there.

I love Zack Martin and think we made the right pick with him...but really wish we could have gotten Aaron Donald...yes I know he is a three but I think he could have made this defense so much better.

I also hope that we DON'T go the route of not look at 3 Techs just because we gave Crawford a decent offer. If Rankins should happen to be there in the second round ...I hope they don't pass on him for a lesser player just because of Crawford.

 

[Alexander]

This is a front office that was taken aback when Sharrif Floyd was on the board at their pick and had to discuss why they had him rated so high before deciding it was a mistake. ON DRAFT DAY.

That is about as damning as you can get as to how this team operates.

But that was under Ciskowski's watch. McClay has "fixed" all of that. Yessir.

 

[Alexander]

I also hope that we DON'T go the route of not look at 3 Techs just because we gave Crawford a decent offer. If Rankins should happen to be there in the second round ...I hope they don't pass on him for a lesser player just because of Crawford.

I think that is exactly what Dallas does. They view him as some All Pro in waiting.

But do not get too upset, I think Rankins goes much higher than people think, I think both he and Billings are gone by the middle to late half of the round.

But passing on others like Jarran Reed or Vernon Butler with our second would be criminal too.

This is such a deep class at the position.

All in all, I am keeping my hopes small. Just give me a 1-T like Austin Johnson, D.J. Reader or Hassan Ridgeway at some point and I will shut up.

 

[Risen Star]

But that was under Ciskowski's watch. McClay has "fixed" all of that. Yessir.

Yeah, it's easy to blame the underlings for the sheer incompetence of the GM.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

But that was under Ciskowski's watch. McClay has "fixed" all of that. Yessir.

You two sure do have collective stalker vibes when it comes to McClay.

 

[tyke1doe]

Is that really his account?

Dat boy an idiot.