please watch this then decide

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And I repeat, quite simply, that people with good hearts do not do the things that PacMan has done... when you start beatin' on strippers 'cause you're pissed at them, you're a piece of garbage... when you do that kind of thing over and over and over again, you're a piece of garbage...

Now, people CAN change, but Jones has shown us no sign of having done so, indeed while he was suspended, he cashed in on his punk reputation while doing the pro rassling thing... I saw his act on TNA wrestling, and thought to myself that it didn't take him much acting at all...

No sir, before I'd take a chance on that piece of garbage, I'd want to see tangible evidence that he was cleaning his life up... there is no such evidence, at this time...

And let's take a close look at the people I "demonize"-- Michael Vick, convicted felon... Pac Man Jones, suspended by the league for repeated violent violations of the law, one of which led to a man being shot and paralyzed...

The question is, why would anyone NOT "demonize" such sociopaths?? I wonder if such a fine, upstanding young man showed up to pick up your daughter, would you let her date that kind of guy??

I mean, that's obviously a hypothetical, I don't know if you have any kids or not, but if you do, they're probably not quite dating age yet... but hypothetically speaking, would you be so forgiving if somebody you loved got involved with somebody who acted like Vick or Jones??

If the honest answer is no, then spare me your sanctimony... I suspect your saintly tolerance of sociopaths doesn't go a lot further than this message board...

Hos, if I was you, I wouldn't waste my time on Saint Fuzzy, he's just a contrarian who apparently enjoys sticking up for the dregs of society... Pac Man is the surly individual you've said he is... he's a druggie, he's angry and he's violent...

How can you try to apply the moniker 'saint' when you run around thinking that youre worthy of judging anyone and everything. Hypocrite.

It was not a stripper it was the manager and she even dropped the charges. But hey whats facts to get in the of you and your desire to demonize.

As for my kids if they were to hang out with Adam Jones, I would of course be upset. I wouldnt want them around drugs or strip bars. But that is neither here nor there. We are not talking about a day care. We are talking about an NFL lockerroom.

 

[CATCH17]

How can you try to apply the moniker 'saint' when you run around thinking that youre worthy of judging anyone and everything. Hypocrite.

It was not a stripper it was the manager and she even dropped the charges. But hey whats facts to get in the of you and your desire to demonize.

As for my kids if they were to hang out with Adam Jones, I would of course be upset. I wouldnt want them around drugs or strip bars. But that is neither here nor there. We are not talking about a day care. We are talking about an NFL lockerroom.

And we are talking about the Dallas Cowboys. My favorite team.

Maybe I want to like the guys that are on my team.

I like nothing about this guy and he gives me no reason to like him.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I had already seen that video and it STILL doesn't make me want him anymore than I did before...which is pretty much next to no desire to have him.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, if I was you, I wouldn't waste my time on Saint Fuzzy, he's just a contrarian who apparently enjoys sticking up for the dregs of society... Pac Man is the surly individual you've said he is... he's a druggie, he's angry and he's violent...

Naw, I get along great with Fuzzy. He and I have fun debates with no respect for each other lost. When I get home from work I'll do the research I promised and find the article and we can go from there. No big deal at ll.

 

[tyke1doe]

Moore said Jones had spent thousands of dollars gambling on college athletics and worried that his habits might jeopardize his football career.

Wow!

That right there is more troubling than all his other problems.

If this guy has a gambling problem, we need to be very, very careful signing him.

Who's to say that his gambling problems won't cause him to drop a key interception in a game?

Gambling thousands of dollars can be a serious problem for a player. And given his thuggish connections, I don't know if I trust him.

BTW, thanks for the info, Hostile.

 

[Hostile]

Wow!

That right there is more troubling than all his other problems.

If this guy has a gambling problem, we need to be very, very careful signing him.

Who's to say that his gambling problems won't cause him to drop a key interception in a game?

Gambling thousands of dollars can be a serious problem for a player. And given his thuggish connections, I don't know if I trust him.

BTW, thanks for the info, Hostile.

I agree, that is the most troubling thing to me. Again, I don't deny his talents at all. Unlike Catfish Hall I think this kid is truly gifted. However, if you keep playing with matches you are going to get burned.

Can he help this team? Of course he can. In two critical areas. The secondary and punt returns.

Can he handicap this team? Of course he can. He's 1 more flub up away from we're short a CB again.

 

[jterrell]

The guy can flat out play.

He is a top 10 CB imho and a top 10 punt returner.

He was the 6th pick in the draft and has been a let down only because he is an idiot.

BUT... I can't be hypocritical and say this guy is any worse than say Michael Irvin who was the original "rainman" and did so while he was actually married.

If Pacman can keep it clean enough to stay game day eligible he'll help us a lot.

He is a huge upgrade over Anthony Henry at CB and an enormous upgrade over Crayton as a punt returner.

Dallas will either hit or miss on a guy like this so you have to balance it and the deciding factor should be investment. If you can get this guy on the cheap and then cut him as a moment's notice I am fine having him. I wouldn't go back and NOT draft Leon Lett or Michael Irvin....

 

[jterrell]

I agree, that is the most troubling thing to me. Again, I don't deny his talents at all. Unlike Catfish Hall I think this kid is truly gifted. However, if you keep playing with matches you are going to get burned.

Can he help this team? Of course he can. In two critical areas. The secondary and punt returns.

Can he handicap this team? Of course he can. He's 1 more flub up away from we're short a CB again.

I am with you there 100%.

As a team we can't afford to ignore him but can't put all our eggs in that basket either.

I'd say if we add him we still add a day 1 CB like Jenkins, Talib, Cason. Guys who can get out there and play. Because even if you get a good year out of Pacman Jones you have to expect he won't be a clean cut guy for 5 or 6 years.

But we are so close to the friggin promised land(for the 6th time) and this guy is talent wise the best raw talent we can obtain for the asking price by miles.

If we get to 7 Lombardies then this guy become some Clayton Holmes story in 10 years I can live with myself

 

[CrazyCowboy]

PACMAN will be a Cowboy soon........the evidence is piling up!

 

[Hostile]

I am with you there 100%.

As a team we can't afford to ignore him but can't put all our eggs in that basket either.

I'd say if we add him we still add a day 1 CB like Jenkins, Talib, Cason. Guys who can get out there and play. Because even if you get a good year out of Pacman Jones you have to expect he won't be a clean cut guy for 5 or 6 years.

But we are so close to the friggin promised land(for the 6th time) and this guy is talent wise the best raw talent we can obtain for the asking price by miles.

If we get to 7 Lombardies then this guy become some Clayton Holmes story in 10 years I can live with myself

I agree JT. Even if we get him we have to address CB with the 1st round. The instability of his career given the past and the age of our current starters plus the escalating salaries for top CBs make it imperative and I think we have to have another option as the PR guy just in case. I like Crayton, but not enough to ignore the need.

I wish the wow player was that we were going to trade for Hester.

 

[Little Jr]

BUT... I can't be hypocritical and say this guy is any worse than say Michael Irvin who was the original "rainman" and did so while he was actually married.

..

Thank you. Couldn't agree more.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

As said before... There was no Roger Goodell when Irvin was carrying on.

This isn't just a moral issue. For some it's not a question of morals at all. It's being a realist about the fact that this is a guy one tiny misstep away from being flushed from the league for a very long time.

 

[silverbear]

As said before... There was no Roger Goodell when Irvin was carrying on.

This isn't just a moral issue. For some it's not a question of morals at all. It's being a realist about the fact that this is a guy one tiny misstep away from being flushed from the league for a very long time.

Yes, sir, that's exactly what it's about... it's about getting to about game 10 of the season, the defense clicking on all cylinders, then suddenly the announcent that Adam Jones has gone and beat on another stripper, and is suspended...

I know that Jerry can construct a salary that minimizes the cap impact if that happens, but what about what happens on the field if he screws up again?? With all the times he's screwed up already, how can any of us be comfortable that he won't shaft the team at some point in the season??

If I had any confidence at all that he could learn to stay out of trouble, I'd be willing to choke back my disgust at the things he's done... I simply don't have that confidence...

Besides, if the Cowboys did sign the guy, it would be to a short term, "make good" contract, and if he did "make good", he'd be on the free agent highway, looking for the mega-payday... so we're likely only talking about a one or two year rental anyway... have any of y'all given that any consideration?? He's liable to be gone before Newman's ready to retire... even before Henry packs it in...

 

[Little Jr]

I just dont understand it from any angle. If we were 6-10 and had 1 decent player in the secondary I could understand the risk even though I would hate it just as much, I simply can not justify it.

Actually that would make less sense. If your a 6-10 team and are in a rebuilding mode it wouldn't make sense to take a chance. That one player probably isn't gonna make you a playoff contender much less a SB contender. It wouldn't be worth the headache if team wasnt gonna be a contender with him. A team like the Cowboy could take the chance.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

some of those highlights had some really bad tacking in them. Nobody on this board doubts that Pacman is a very talented player. Its just the risk that we would take. Go get him Jerry.