News: Pollard can't be "the guy."

Runwildboys said:
The way he talks about his fatigue, using him too much would wear him down and eventually eliminate the big plays.
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Yep, Zeke used to make long house calls his first year. What happened after that? He continued getting fed the ball and slowly his production decreased. I could see Pollard being great for the first half of a year as the lead back and then slowing down and breaking down after that.
 
Runwildboys said:
Right, against Chicago. We've also seen him be much less successful against other teams. We have no idea how much better he would have done had Zeke been carrying the bulk of the carries either. People want to use one game to support their confirmation bias, but it doesn't work that way.

During the Sounds from the Sidelines video, he expressed how tired his legs were before he even peeled off that big TD run. More than around 15 carries will shorten his career and probably make it less productive per game.
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It's not just one game. He consistently has had great YPC and more big plays. All the data is there to see.

People want to use unsubstantiated conclusions like "more than 15 carries will make him less productive" when the actual facts show is he has been more productive with more carries.

It's crazy to me that you can watch this absolute weapon of a guy play and want to limit him to touching the ball 8-10 times a game.
 
Denim Chicken said:
It's not just one game. He consistently has had great YPC and more big plays. All the data is there to see.

People want to use unsubstantiated conclusions like "more than 15 carries will make him less productive" when the actual facts show is he has been more productive with more carries.

It's crazy to me that you can watch this guy play and want to limit him to touching the ball 8-10 times a game.
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Sounds to me like he wants to limit himself. He's the one telling his RB coach he's gassed after 15 touches.
 
Denim Chicken said:
I also said "If they call it, I'll haul it".

I'm sure he was gassed with all those long runs, lol. Good problem to have.
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He was gassed. He even said so. Nobody's saying limit him to 8-10 touches. Just don't give him the lion's share, because judging by his own words, it'll beat him up rather quickly.
 
Runwildboys said:
He was gassed. He even said so. Nobody's saying limit him to 8-10 touches. Just don't give him the lion's share, because judging by his own words, it'll beat him up rather quickly.
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With the amount we give Zeke typically, it does limit him to 8-10. That's the the entire conversation.

Yes, he was gassed. He busted of some big runs, That is a good thing.
 
shabazz said:
…after beating the 32nd and 18th ranked defenses, he solidly back on Mount Rushmore again:rolleyes:
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You play who is on the schedule, and a win is a win...but I guess you don't like they won. And I did not put him on there. Dislike away though.
 
vlad said:
Like empirically average performance? And as some stat folks have pointed out historically poor performance numbers. He’s basically demarco Murray with a historically significant offensive line to start his career where in volume he has huge numbers but in efficiency was a poor
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You mean the cherry picked stats for their agenda.
 
Denim Chicken said:
With the amount we give Zeke typically, it does limit him to 8-10. That's the the entire conversation.

Yes, he was gassed. He busted of some big runs, That is a good thing.
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It is, and I have no problem giving him 14-15 carries per game, or whatever he feels he can handle. But if he was tired and feeling slow before that long TD run, you know he can't handle a huge workload week after week without breaking down.
 
erod said:
I assumed you were responding to my OP. You didn't quote.

If I was wrong, my apologies.
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I assumed he was responding to someone I have on ignore. Maybe we both have the same people on ignore. :cool:
 
Runwildboys said:
But if he was tired and feeling slow before that long TD run, you know he can't handle a huge workload week after week without breaking down.
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I don't know that, really. I guess we'll see how he does this week, eh? I don't really count 15 carries as a huge workload anyway. Wonder how all these other backs in the league do it? You think Tony's conditioning is so bad he can't hang with these guys? I really doubt it. I think too much is being made from a silly quote. All I'm asking if for us to swap the near 60/40 split we have in favor of Pollard.

And honestly, if we're talking long term breakdown (like shortening his overall career) I don't really care. He's a FA next year. I'll use him all up this year to win a chip if that is what it takes.
 
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Denim Chicken said:
I don't know that, really. I guess we'll see how he does this week, eh? I don't really count 15 carries as a huge workload anyway. Wonder how all these other backs in the league do it? You think Tony's conditioning is so bad he can't hang with these guys? I really doubt it. I think too much is being made from a silly quote. All I'm asking if for us to swap the near 60/40 split we have in favor of Pollard.

And honestly, if we're talking long term breakdown (like shortening his overall career) I don't really care. He's a FA next year. I'll use him all up this year to win a chip if that is what it takes.
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I didn't say or imply that 15 carries is a huge workload. In fact, I said I'd be fine with him getting 14-15, or whatever he thinks he can handle. And it's not just one quote. It's what was stated in the OP, plus what he was saying to the guys on the sideline after he got the TD.
 
Running backs coach Skip Peete compared Pollard’s performance to that of a high-performance race car.

“[Pollard] played a total of 30 plays, and I think that’s his max — as far as total play count— because then the juice doesn’t become the same and he’s not as quick, not as fast,” Peete said. “When he got that long run on third-and-1, soon as he got to the sideline he said, ‘Coach, I’m done. Done for the game. I’ve got no more.’ “

That 54-yard run, which came on his career-high tying 14th carry in a game. He crossed the goal line with 10 minutes, 35 seconds left in the game. Pollard did not log another touch the rest of the way.

“Tony’s obviously a very talented runner and good all-around back, but some guys are race cars. Some guys are high-quality, expensive sedans and those sedans can go for a long distance at a very high rate, whereas race cars go very fast and quick and run out of gas.”

Dallas Cowboys coach Skip Peete says Tony Pollard ran out of gas against Chicago Bears (msn.com)

In Det game he was in on 65% of the offensive snaps but only 12 carries for 83 yards and 2 receptions for 28 yards. This past game vs Chi. he had 14 carries for 131 and 1 reception for 16 yards and his last carry 54 yards. The rest of his carries still avg 5.9 a carry 13 rushes for 77 yards.
 
Portnoy1 said:
Yep, Zeke used to make long house calls his first year. What happened after that? He continued getting fed the ball and slowly his production decreased. I could see Pollard being great for the first half of a year as the lead back and then slowing down and breaking down after that.
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Right, except your theory doesn’t add up when you look at backs like Henry and Chubb. Are you telling me Zeke was physically spent already during his second year?
 
kskboys said:
There is more to the NFL than explosive plays. The bread and butter grinding plays are what allows explosive plays to happen.
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Sure…and Pollard has shown he is capable of that too and just did both against the Bears.

There seems to be this misconception that Pollard can’t run between the tackles and he’s shown time and time again he can. He’s top 5 in the league in yards after contact.
 
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