Portis thinks Vick should be able to have dog fights...

[CrazyCowboy]

Somehow, this story does not surprise me.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Wow bouncing. If I extend that argument to its logical conclusion can I blame anything on anyone? I never do anything wrong or I'm not responsible for it if I do....because I'm just a product of my "environment." I just can't agree with that.

Vick was wrong pure and simple and Portis does not get a pass because of how he was raised. I'm not even sure how to argue this with you if no one has to take responsibility for their actions....or their words. The old cliche' of "ignorance of the law is no excuse" comes into play here and some good old fashioned ethics and morals as well.

I'll conclude by saying that I blame Vick...and Portis and NOT their "environment."

okay, point taken. But I am saying that if Portis grew up in a different area he probably would not think that Dogfighting is right.

I am not absolving Portis of blame in the least; I don't mean that at all.

What I am saying is that things that seem terrible to you and I don't or may not seem as bad to a person like Portis.

If you as a child see your father beat your mother, you may be inclined to think that doing the same thing to your significant other in the future would be kosher as well.

Conversely, you may also think in your youth hitting a woman is repulsive and may never hit a woman. It is a two way street, I understand that.

I am just saying consider the facts is all.

 

[5Stars]

STOP GIVING THESE PEOPLE ENOUGH CREDIT TO KNOW THAT dogfighting IS WRONG.

How about you STOP GIVING THEM CREDIT TO KNOW THAT dogfighting IS OK?

This dog fighting crap is nothing new. This crap has been outlawed for quite awhile now...you know it, I know it, and they sure as hell know it, otherwise they would not "hide out to do it"!

As a person, and this is everyone on the planet Earth..."is the sum product of ever decision they make in their lives".

If they are too freaking dumb to make a bad decision, don't blame it on something else! It's thoughts like yours that just perpetuate the cause!

 

[jackrussell]

Throughout history, humans have always been curious. To learn what is not understood. To explore the unknown. Should America stick it's head in the sand to satisfy the few who are afraid of the future?

"The future is not what it used to be."

Yogi Berra

 

[BouncingCheese]

How about you STOP GIVING THEM CREDIT TO KNOW THAT dogfighting IS OK?

This dog fighting crap is nothing new. This crap has been outlawed for quite awhile now...you know it, I know it, and they sure as hell know it, otherwise they would not "hide out to do it"!

As a person, and this is everyone on the planet Earth..."is the sum product of ever decision they make in their lives".

If they are too freaking dumb to make a bad decision, don't blame it on something else! It's thoughts like yours that just perpetuate the cause!

Don't put words in my mouth man.

I never once said that dogfighting is okay. I have more than once prefaced my comments by saying that. ( You should be a politician, you seem to only see what you want and nothing else)

when did I say that dogfighting is okay? find it in my text, if not, move on; and don't point to references in my text unles I directly stated that I condone the action of dogfighting.

I really don't care what you have to say; your beliefs aren't going to change my own. I would much rather talk to people who disagree with me such a lspain, who won't unjustly berate my posts an will bring up thought-provoking points unlike others.

 

[03EBZ06]

What I am saying is that things that seem terrible to you and I don't or may not seem as bad to a person like Portis.

If you as a child see your father beat your mother, you may be inclined to think that doing the same thing to your significant other in the future would be kosher as well.

Conversely, you may also think in your youth hitting a woman is repulsive and may never hit a woman. It is a two way street, I understand that.

I am just saying consider the facts is all.

All that may be true if they are completely isolated from the behaviors from others and completely ignorant of laws. But I don't think that's the case with these athletes. I think they know what is right and wrong and generally accepted behavior.

 

[Hostile]

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing - Edmund Burke

Thank you. I couldn't find the quote.

 

[DallasEast]

I think we are giving Portis and people who think like him too much credit... People don't always do things without thinking about right or wrong. I think Portis rather likens dogfighting to playing video games, something that is enjoyable. While that may seem disgusting, I don't really blame Portis.

Mike Tyson was treated like dog in his youth(literally, it was terrible), the only person that ever really cared for him or showed him respect was Cus D'mato, the legendary trainer. Mike Tyson never understood and probably still doesn't that people are good-natured and kind, he never saw that aspect in his life; Tyson always gave D'mato something in return for D'mato's acts of kindness because he never understood that D'mato never wanted anything in return and was a good guy. When we heard about Tysons rape allegations and numerous other acts, we think of Tyson as a beast and a monster, rightfully so. However nobody ever knew and few people do know the hell that Tyson grew up in and that fighting and abuse is and was the norm, and therefore the reasons behind his actions.

What I am saying is that Portis probably doesn't differentiate between what is right and what is wrong because he probably grew up in an enviroment where that is the normal activity; do you honestly think Portis would have said what he said if he thought that dog-fighting wasn't acceptable? Portis has spent his entire life or most of it around like-minded people such as himself, so how could he ever know thie difference.

If you guys have a problem with what he says stop blaming him and start blaming the enviroment he was raised in.

I just erased a whole essay to prevent my expulsion from the board.

There is only one argument which can be made to explain someone's action when they commit a criminal offense without consciously knowing the concept of right and wrong--and that's if they were found criminally insane. Portis, although legitimately goofy, isn't crazy. He made his comments because he doesn't like someone else dictating what should or shouldn't be enjoyable to him and others who share his passions.

Dog fighting is about killing dogs for spectator enjoyment. That is his passion. He supports that extracurricular activity and that's why he publicly supports Michael Vick.

Now, Portis doesn't think it is wrong for someone to engage or promote in dog fights. He doesn't think it is wrong for dogs to be maimed or die as a consequence.

A dead dog is a dead dog, right?

I'll bet the farm that if I came to Portis house wielding an axe and chopped one of his dogs (if he has one) to bits, he would either become violent or call the authorities to arrest me for...

...making his dog dead.

But, a dead dog is a dead dog, right? Why would he act in such a way? When you understand the why, you'll finally understand that sane people do understand the concepts of right and wrong; but some choose only to follow what makes them feel good as people and embrace the concept that others be damned if they don't agree with them.

The Mike Tyson angle was a nice touch, but it doesn't fly either UNLESS he's nuts too.

 

[5Stars]

Don't put words in my mouth man.

I never once said that dogfighting is okay. I have more than once prefaced my comments by saying that. ( You should be a politician, you seem to only see what you want and nothing else)

when did I say that dogfighting is okay? find it in my text, if not, move on; and don't point to references in my text unles I directly stated that I condone the action of dogfighting.

I really don't care what you have to say; your beliefs aren't going to change my own. I would much rather talk to people who disagree with me such a lspain, who won't unjustly berate my posts an will bring up thought-provoking points unlike others.

Hmmm...I must have struck a nerve in your little brain!

Please excuse me! It must be a product of my "environment"!

 

[DallasEast]

All that may be true if they are completely isolated from the behaviors from others and completely ignorant of laws. But I don't think that's the case with these athletes. I think they know what is right and wrong and generally accepted behavior.

THANK YOU!!! :bravo:

 

[Crown Royal]

in before

 

[5Stars]

in before

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[DallasEast]

in before

Couldn't you find an dancing overweight padlock? That one doesn't look like it's suffering from Diabeetus.

 

[Crown Royal]

Couldn't you find an dancing overweight padlock? That one doesn't look like it's suffering from Diabeetus.

Diabeetus is not a laughing matter.























Unless it is said by Wilford Brimley. Or cats that look like Wilford Brimley.

 

[BouncingCheese]

All that may be true if they are completely isolated from the behaviors from others and completely ignorant of laws. But I don't think that's the case with these athletes. I think they know what is right and wrong and generally accepted behavior.

I understand your point; but I think we are giving Portis and other athletes too much credit.

Although NFL players and pro athletes have money, I think in general they are isolated in what they do. I mean, their college years and high school years were dominated mostly by practicing and study hall and little else. I remember when I played football and high school athletics all I did was do my homework and practice. I slept all weekend trying to recoup. What I did in my little free time was simply hanging out with friends in my nieghborhood.

What Portis may have done in his spare time probably was completely different, probably hanging around dogfighting and the like. If Portis as an athlete in college and high school spends little to not social time away from the people he played football with (and considering he went to the U he was probably with his friends from youth, most probably likeminded individuals) how could he ever experience the lifestyles or beliefs we live/have where dogfighting is not condoned and frowned upon? Where could he have that exposure to understand that, if all his life's time is dominated by football and hanging around people like himself who allow dogfighting to happen?

 

[DallasEast]

Diabeetus is not a laughing matter.

Unless it is said by Wilford Brimley. Or cats that look like Wilford Brimley.

Understood, and I've got to hand it to you. That cat does look like Wilford Brimley. He could've been Brimley's actor double in John Carpenter's The Thing.

Sorry. Whenever I think of Brimley, I always remember his role in one of my all-time horror films. :

 

[BouncingCheese]

Hmmm...I must have struck a nerve in your little brain!

Please excuse me! It must be a product of my "environment"!

I'm rubber, your glue... what's next, your going to attack my name? Get a life

 

[5Stars]

I'm rubber, your glue... what's next, your going to attack my name? Get a life

Get a dog! Grow up with it...!

Name it "Elmers Glue"...

 

[BouncingCheese]

Get a dog! Grow up with it...!

Name it "Elmers Glue"...

HAHAHAHHA.... that is soooooo funny!:damn:

anyways....

 

[Concord]

Portis is as dumb as wood.

I could care less what he thinks POS Vick should be able to do.

The law says different...and rightfully so.

Vick even if busted and convicted still won't get the penalty that he truly deserves.