Prescott's Drive

[JD_KaPow]

The only QB with over a 103 passer rating in 10 of the first 12 games of a season are Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Dak Prescott.

103? You have something against Carson Palmer, Percy?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I know you wanted Wentz, so did I. I don't understand your constant criticism and lack of support for Dak. I mean, you are a Cowboys' fan right? Even if Dak isn't your first choice, or any choice at all, he has been quite impressive. You are right, his stats were not that impressive against the Vikings. But, what is impressive is his poise, his will, his composure, and his drive to succeed. He simply refuses to accept failure or defeat. Not only that, he is very smart with the football. He rarely makes bad decisions with it (by that, I mean throwing it where it can be potentially intercepted with high probability).

I was not a member of the Dakwagon.....but his play in the preseason convinced me to give him a chance and to even hop aboard. I have had a seat on that ride ever since.

That's it.

Prescott had the 2nd highest passer rating of any QB vs. the Vikings this season.

And that QB rating doesn't take into account his accomplishments running the football.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

Dak is on pace to throw for more than 4000 yards. I believe Cam Newton and Winston are the only rookies to do that. Maybe one more like Luck.

 

[JD_KaPow]

That's it.

Prescott had the 2nd highest passer rating of any QB vs. the Vikings this season.

And that QB rating doesn't take into account his accomplishments running the football.

This brings out the weaknesses in passer rating, and why one stat never tells the whole story. As you note, it doesn't include rushing. But it also doesn't iinclude sacks: he took 3 on about 25 dropbacks, which is a lot. It also doesn't include the two fumbles (one lost). If the lost fumble were an INT, his passer rating would plummet. (And no, I don't accept the argument that the fumble "wasn't his fault." First, he was holding the ball a long time all night, creating risk. Second, plenty of INTs "aren't the QBs fault," but they end up in the passer rating anyway.

It also doesn't account for the fact that Dak threw for the fewest yards of any QB facing the Vikings. Oh wait, that's not right: he threw for the second-fewest, after Wentz. And he didn't throw so little because we were being so efficient or running so effectively. He threw so little because we weren't converting 3rd downs. Dallas called passing plays 7 times on 3rd down in the game. We converted one of them, on a very good Dak scramble. On an 8th 3rd down, he fumbled the snap.

When you throw only 18 passes, one play can have an outsized influence on the passer rating stat. In this case, Dak's 108 was built on one play, the long pass to Dez. Passer rating is a useful stat over a large sample; not so much when there are so few passes to work with.

I'm not trying to discount the performance. I thought Dak did admirably in really adverse conditions. But when you talk about a "108 passer rating," you get a vision in your head of a certain type of performance, and this simply wasn't it. We don't need to pretend that Dak was spectacular on Thursday to believe (correctly) that he's amazing overall.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Dak is on pace to throw for more than 4000 yards. I believe Cam Newton and Winston are the only rookies to do that. Maybe one more like Luck.

Dak is on pace to throw for 3960 yards. (And I don't expect him to throw for very many in week 17).

 

[sbark]

Check this out. Rayne's not a game manager because in the midst of his 139 yards passing he had a good drive.

We watched a super bowl go to Peyton M last Feb with not much more in passing yards............."rayne" key was to limit turnovers to the Minn Def, and avoid helping the hapless Minn offense.

 

[Macnalty]

This upcoming 2017 draft would be so different if we had not hit the lottery with Dak. We would be more than likely selling the farm like Philly did to catch Wentz. I think the QB talent pool has less depth than last year. We won the lottery again. Getting a DE that applies pressure is 20,000 leagues easier than getting a starting QB, much less one that leads the conference in QBR after 12 games.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Yes, Dak is more than a game manager.

Yes, Dak struggled against Minnesota.

 

[Risen Star]

I know you wanted Wentz, so did I. I don't understand your constant criticism and lack of support for Dak. I mean, you are a Cowboys' fan right? Even if Dak isn't your first choice, or any choice at all, he has been quite impressive. You are right, his stats were not that impressive against the Vikings. But, what is impressive is his poise, his will, his composure, and his drive to succeed. He simply refuses to accept failure or defeat. Not only that, he is very smart with the football. He rarely makes bad decisions with it (by that, I mean throwing it where it can be potentially intercepted with high probability).

I was not a member of the Dakwagon.....but his play in the preseason convinced me to give him a chance and to even hop aboard. I have had a seat on that ride ever since.

I've already complimented him on his will, composure, drive to succeed and his intelligence. I've admitted being wrong on that. It's the skill set I still don't like.

Maybe your confusion comes from the idea that a fan must blindly support every player on the team and immediately squash any concerns they might have on a player once he's a Cowboy. That's not me. Never will be me.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Check this out. Rayne's not a game manager because in the midst of his 139 yards passing he had a good drive.

Yeah, I do wish he was more like Wentz, who had so many great drives on the way to 138 yards passing against the Vikings.
Like that first drive...oh wait, that was a 3-and-out. Okay, the second drive, where he...threw an interception. Or the third drive, where he...fumbled the ball away. Maybe the fourth drive, where he...threw an interception.

To be fair, Wentz also led a TD drive, and he only fumbled twice on that drive, so good for him!

 

[Risen Star]

The fact that he's on pace for nearly 4,000 yards passing suggests he's not a game manager, but if you mean in this game only, his passing and rushing yardage accounted for two-thirds of our offense.

And we lose the game without that drive.

4,000 yards sound nice until you realize it only puts him at best mid pack in the league. Or average. Or game managerish.

He sits right now 18th in yards per game. With a great OL and skill position players. Run that through your calculator and tell me what you think.

 

[Risen Star]

We watched a super bowl go to Peyton M last Feb with not much more in passing yards............."rayne" key was to limit turnovers to the Minn Def, and avoid helping the hapless Minn offense.

And Peyton was no more than a game manager that season.

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah, I do wish he was more like Wentz, who had so many great drives on the way to 138 yards passing against the Vikings.
Like that first drive...oh wait, that was a 3-and-out. Okay, the second drive, where he...threw an interception. Or the third drive, where he...fumbled the ball away. Maybe the fourth drive, where he...threw an interception.

To be fair, Wentz also led a TD drive, and he only fumbled twice on that drive, so good for him!

So Carsus threw for one less yard with a worse OL, RBs, WRs and TEs?

Excellent but I don't need your help.

 

[TheCount]

I've already complimented him on his will, composure, drive to succeed and his intelligence. I've admitted being wrong on that. It's the skill set I still don't like.

Maybe your confusion comes from the idea that a fan must blindly support every player on the team and immediately squash any concerns they might have on a player once he's a Cowboy. That's not me. Never will be me.

There's a difference between not being a cheerleader for a player and outright trolling, and you've crossed the threshold into Trolltown.

How fans can continue to hold tired agendas against players while simultaneously claiming to support a team that currently sits with the best record in the NFL is beyond me.

I can understand the negativity when things are going bad, we all need to vent, but I honestly don't get it when the team is having so much success.

 

[percyhoward]

He sits right now 18th in yards per game.

Again, Romo ranked 17th in that category in 2014.

 

[reddyuta]

problem on Thursday was not dak,I doubt even romo would have had a better game. we had backbreaking penalties on too many drives and even when dak had time our receivers were not getting open.i am glad he didn't force throws but he will have to against the giants.

 

[JD_KaPow]

4,000 yards sound nice until you realize it only puts him at best mid pack in the league. Or average. Or game managerish.

He sits right now 18th in yards per game. With a great OL and skill position players. Run that through your calculator and tell me what you think.

I think he has a great OL and skill position players and never plays catch-up, so he doesn't throw very much. He's third in the league in yards per attempt, which doesn't exactly scream game manager to me.

In some ways, the situation is very similar to Troy Aikman in the '90s (10th in passing yards in 1993, 16th in 1994, 13th in 1995). If that's a game manager, then yes please.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Again, Romo ranked 17th in that category in 2014.

And againnnnnnnnn he's out lol.

 

[Risen Star]

Again, Romo ranked 17th in that category in 2014.

Romo was a game manager that year. Perhaps you missed that. Everyone talked about how less Romo meant more winning. We were more Romo friendly. Remember? It's the same formula now. Prescott is being asked to manage games and allow the real strengths win the game. This is good. He's a rookie. He shouldn't be expected to do more but that doesn't mean he's an MVP candidate. That's laughable nonsense coming from Cowboys fans and/or people who don't know the game.

The man threw for just over 300 yards combined the last two games and won them both. Against a very good Commanders team and the still playoff contending Vikings. Nothing more needs to be said than that.

 

[JD_KaPow]

So Carsus threw for one less yard with a worse OL, RBs, WRs and TEs?

Excellent but I don't need your help.

That's one way to look at it. Another is that he threw 2 interceptions and fumbled 3 times. While playing with a lead for most of the game. You're right; definitely not a game manager.